Another irony of electronic banking
By Fleur
@Fleura (30426)
United Kingdom
July 1, 2021 4:37am CST
The other day I attempted to make an online payment from my bank account to my partner. In order to authorise the payment I had to first get past a screen filled with warnings about fraudsters.
There was a list of questions such as
‘Did anyone make you feel under pressure to make this payment?’
‘Did you receive these account details in an email or text message?’
‘Are you aware that fraudsters may call and impersonate bank officials?’
Once past that, I clicked to confirm payment and then got a message saying the payment was delayed.
The next morning I got a call from the bank, to check that the payment I had made online was genuinely me. The irony was that although I was almost certain that this call was legitimate and that it was part of an effort to save people from falling victim to scams, I still didn’t feel like I wanted to trust the caller. They knew my name and that I had attempted to make a payment the night before - but then I have read so many scam stories that you don’t know what these people may be able to find out.
When the man asked me to ‘confirm’ my name and date of birth I declined to answer any more and said I would go to the bank in person when I went to town next day (thankfully there is still a branch near enough to get to). So far I don’t think the scammers have infiltrated the system so well that they can get an actual person behind the counter of an actual bank building.
So the next day I went to my local bank branch. When I finally jumped through the hoops required to see a real member of staff (luckily I had a book to read while I waited) I explained the problem and she looked up my account and found a note stating that since I had declined to respond to the bank caller my online access had been blocked! Luckily I hadn’t needed to carry out any more transactions so I didn’t even realise this.
She said that a call would need to be made to the fraud team to unblock the account. She called another member of staff over and asked if she could help - she just said ‘No!’ She then had to radio for another member of staff on a walkie-talkie, and she took me to a little side office where she called the fraud team and then sat there holding the ‘phone for quite a long time - it must have been 15 to 20 minutes - while I sat there reading my book.
It was quite strange because every now and then we would hear snatches of conversation from the other end of the phone line which were nothing to do with us… Anyway eventually someone came on the line to talk to us. The staff member confirmed that I was there in person in the branch, that my identity had been confirmed by two methods, and could they please unblock my account if that was OK with them. Of course I wanted it unblocked whether it was OK with them or not!
The fraud team person then asked to speak to me, at which point she said before unblocking the account she would need to ask me a few questions. She then proceeded to read out the same questions as are on the website
‘Did anyone make you feel under pressure to make this payment?’
‘Did you receive these account details in an email or text message?’
‘Are you aware that fraudsters may call and impersonate bank officials?’
etc. etc.
I explained that indeed I was perfectly aware of this and that the fact that I did know that fraudsters may call and impersonate bank officials was the reason I declined to answer the questions posed by the person who called me claiming to be a bank official, and that as a result I was now spending half my day in the bank trying to rectify this!
She listened politely but nevertheless still proceeded to subject me to the rest of the list before doing anything useful.
Thankfully eventually it was sorted, for the time being. It is making me nervous of putting my money in the bank though in case I can’t get it out again! I do keep a stash of cash in the house for emergencies just in case some sort of hack or electronic failure locks up all bank accounts or inactivates their machines.
Of course the question now is, how do the banks protect their customers from scammers if those customers think that anyone who calls them asking for information related to their bank account is a scammer? I asked the fraud team person this; she said there was nothing the bank staff could do to confirm they are genuine. So I suspect this type of scenario is going to be repeated.
Do you trust a stranger on the telephone?
All rights reserved. © Text and image copyright Fleur 2021.
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14 responses
@LadyDuck (471573)
• Switzerland
1 Jul 21
I understand your concern because I would have been also puzzled receiving a call from a stranger.
We do not receive a call from the fraud theme, should they want to check if a payment is legitimate, the employee who takes care of my account (and who I personally know) calls me. I recognize the phone number, I recognize his voice and he never asks for personal sensible data (like my birth date) he only asks if he can proceed with the payment.
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@Fleura (30426)
• United Kingdom
1 Jul 21
Unfortunately the banks here have mostly changed to faceless automatic 'computer says no' type systems. Although this is my main bank account which I have held since I was 16 and at the same branch since 19 there are no longer any staff there who I would recognise or who would know me. In fact I haven't seen the same person on any of the times I have been there, for the past several years!
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@Fleura (30426)
• United Kingdom
1 Jul 21
@LadyDuck That is the way banks here used to be. Being the manager of the local bank was a prestigious position and managers knew all their customers. Of course for some this was not so good as perhaps the manager knew better than to lend them money... Now though it seems to be equally bad for everyone!
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@much2say (55686)
• Los Angeles, California
1 Jul 21
Oh my gosh the hoops you had to jump through ! Although I get it's all for our protection, it's still maddening and annoying. I've never had to deal with an actual phone call with online transactions, but you're right - I wouldn't be so trusting either. After being asked such questions, I would have gone into the bank in person too .
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@xFiacre (13049)
• Ireland
1 Jul 21
@fleura How dare you try to operate your own account! It is frustrating that we’re told not to give out details over the phone and then they phone you to ask the questions they tell you not to answer. I like asking strange callers who ask questions to show me photographic proof of their identity before I answer them. It ties them up on knots, especially if they are calling from an overseas call centre.
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@Butterfingers (66583)
• India
1 Jul 21
I have never seen such warnings and never received any such calls, Are they doing this to specific customers or to everyone ?
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@S4mmyboy (3266)
• Mumbai, India
1 Jul 21
Such a lengthy one, and am sure you definitely found it to be quite irritating as you had to go through all this lengthy process.
Still after all such questions, one cannot guarantee that the caller on the other side is a genuine one or a scamster.
No matter whatever the bank does to get rid of the scams. Scamsters somehow manage to get in through the loopholes of the system and make their way.
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@Fleura (30426)
• United Kingdom
1 Jul 21
Of course, they have nothing better to do with their time than just work out how to get around the system - any system. And it is so much easier nowadays to contact thousands or even millions of people, then if only one out of a thousand fall for the scam it is still worthwhile.
In the 'old days' fraudsters still existed but they had to contact their victims in person, it was so much more hard work!
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@m_audrey6788 (58472)
• Germany
1 Jul 21
I can`t trust a stranger on the phone too. Things are getting difficult nowadays because there are a lot of scammers and hackers
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@prashu228 (37524)
• India
1 Jul 21
Glad everything is sorted out...i do get phone calls but i block them
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@DaddyEvil (137261)
• United States
1 Jul 21
OMG! What a bunch of hooey they caused you with their "helpful" reminders!
And after reading the rest of the discussions here I realize how far out in the sticks I actually live! Several months ago we ran into a problem with a deposit to our bank account so the bank asked us to come in and help them fix it... When we got there, we stopped at the information desk to see who needed to talk with us... The woman looked up, smiled at us and said, Mr. Evil and Pretty, how nice to see you both. If you'll step over here, we'll have someone with you in just a minute.
A minute later, a man I recognized from when we were in school together came out, called me by name and took us to his office. In about half and hour, he had the problem fixed and we left, to a chorus of well wishes for the rest of our day.
I wish your banking issues could be taken care of that easily.
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@Fleura (30426)
• United Kingdom
10 Jul 21
I haven't had it before either. Hope I don't get it again but it seems there is no way for the genuine bank staff to prove they are who they say they are, so if you err on the side of caution (as they suggest!) then you get yourself in a mess.
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@janethwayne (5191)
• Philippines
1 Jul 21
When it comes to online transactions it is needed to be vigilant .No never trust a stranger in a phone call or text.
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@florelway (23286)
• Cagayan De Oro, Philippines
1 Jul 21
That's really annoying.
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