IMPORTANT! do you think AUTISM is related to childhood vaccines?
By kittykatzz
@kittykatzz (1132)
United States
December 1, 2006 12:43am CST
if you have a child.. please respond!.. but first let me give you my opinion... I am not a doctor.. however i AM a mother of an autistic child.. after YEARS of research this is my OPIONION and my best educated decision that i can come up with .. please tell me what you think!!..
i believe that some children born with many many many different combinations of possible dna and genetic makeup are basically born more susceptible to different types of toxins..
i DO NOT think that these children are "allergic" to some vaccines nor do i believe that the vaccines themselves are responsible for autism .. it has been found vaccinations found with doses of thimerisol (mercury used as a preservative) had grown in numbers exponentially since the early ninety's.. yet somehow (even though most doctors will tell you theres no connection) after an increase to one out of ever 166 children being diagnosed with some sort of disability on the autism spectrum by 2001-2002..these were PULLED off of the shelves!.. now we all know that mercury is poison.. you cant even touch it! they did away with mercury thermometers when? (thats what i thought!).. but heres the thing. doctors say .."theres not enough thimerisol in a vaccine to harm anyone" which may be true! for a "typical" person.. but, getting back to ones' genetic makeup.. MOST people are able to flush everyday toxins and metals through their system, via sweat glands and excretions etc.) what im saying is if your genetic makeup doesnt allow you to flush these toxins normally.. what happens to them?? they stay in your system thats what! not only the thimerisol but LOTS of others too!!!... does your child have autism?? check up on metal poisons and see if they show any symptoms.. HERES the other thing.. alot of these VACCINATIONS such as "mmr" are not vaccines to fight off one disease.. but 3!.. mmr is a measles, mumps, and rebella vaccine.. now most of the shots now are considered to be thimerisol free.. but 10 years ago.. that particular one may have in some places had up to 3 doses of the "preservative" thimerisol in it!! when they combined the shots alot of times that meant they combined the preservative! now if you had a child that couldnt flush this out of his system.. what do you think could happen? theres an extreme amount of information here so im gonna stop and refer to more in "comment form" should anyone ask to know anything else that I believe to be true.. PLEASE also note.. im not saying that you shouldnt vaccinate.. you ABSOLUTELY SHOULD! ..the diseases that could infect your child if you dont can be FATAL!.. autism is NOT!.. however i do hope you will heed caution and just ask for them to provide you with a detailed ingredient and preservative list before your child is given anything, and PLEASE just ask them to shake the contents well..(thats another whole issue!)please ask if you are interested!.. im running out of room!
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@urzicutza (1971)
• Romania
1 Dec 06
hmmmmmm
autism?
well what can i say i worked for 3 month in a chinde of kinfer garden for autism children!!!i loved it!
because i has in prctis from my university
what can i say?i sow a lot of teribill things there!mostly the parrents are davestated!!!
i is one case with an 10 years old girl who is autist!he looks normal!!!apsolutly normal but she has a verry verry adanved case!he didi reactioned for nothing!absolutly nothing ,ald er or anything!!!he didi react on anithing !!!
butt the mous interes thing was that he fel plasure for one thing!!!and only that when she was giving her self plesure !!!she was touching her self!and that was the only time whan she vas fealing something and know taht is good for here!it was verry intresting!!!and acuard to!
but i love them all!i was playing with tehm even if they didi realised that i was there sometimes!!!
well moust of the pedagagos for there say that autism cand aprear even at 2 years ...so you can be born healty and than get sik for autism!!
most of the cases are because drogs,smoking wile you are pregnant,accidents,apsolutly anything can couse the autism!!!
so autism is not only for a reason in cand apear just like that
i know!!it is verry scarry!and i coukdent handel it any more!!!
i have a verry strong personalyty but o coudent do it any more because my heart was borken and it is stll any time i am thinking of it!!
i love children,...i love people..i live to work with them all of them but i realised that i am not made for this kinde of sress i put to much fealing and if you can not handel you fealing you coud go carry and i sad that even if is the moust har thing to do i could not do it! any more!
@urzicutza (1971)
• Romania
1 Dec 06
and autism is not genetic!!!!!!!it is not genetic i repet!!! like some other guy from here says!!
no no way i spoked with doctores!!!
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@urzicutza (1971)
• Romania
1 Dec 06
o and i forget to tell that you can qure autism!!!if is not that verry verry sik!
because ther are a lot of forms of autism!!!
so keep houping!!!and i will pray for you!
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@Thoroughrob (11742)
• United States
1 Dec 06
At what age did you start noticing this in your child? Did they give you any answers as to why? I had seen that 1 in 166 kids have some type of Autistic Spectrum. That is a BIG amount!! This is a big deal!!! Have they said why such a big number is showing up with Autism? Just curious.
@kittykatzz (1132)
• United States
1 Dec 06
they say NOTHING!! any site you visit.. any doctor that you talk to.. oh no no no no its not vaccines "we have yet to know what causes it" its bull .. us parents know it.. they screwed up.. and we pay for it. theres soooo much information.. its almost weird ..like alot of other parents i talk to seem to put together the same things as i have over the years of personal research.. yet..no doctor seems to have any idea of what we're talking about?? somethings not right there..!...
well i shouldnt say all dr's , there are some drs that are now TREATING autistic children and others for long-term metal poisoning through a method called chelation therapy.. but its very long and drawn out,, almost impossible for a parent to start without a dr's aide.. CAN BE VERY EXPENSIVE.,. and not COVERED!! and the only dr' thats with 2 hours of us that DOES this.. wont take him on as a new patient right now.. so were on a list a couple of years long.. but they say the soooner the better!
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@Thoroughrob (11742)
• United States
1 Dec 06
Have you looked into organizations helping to pay for that treatment since it isn't covered? I know how stressful dealing with all of this is for you and others with children with Autism. They really need to give you guys more support. Relief once in a while to just get away and relax. I give all you guys alot of credit. Although I deal with Bryan who has CP his is more of a physical disability and is a little less nerve racking.
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@kittykatzz (1132)
• United States
1 Dec 06
i have the utmost respect for someone like yourself.. jsut because your childs disability is different it is still as severe if not worse to different extremes and doesnt at all mean that its any "easier" for someone like yourself
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@dragonflyfli (5528)
• United States
4 Dec 06
i have never heard of that befre. but i think it is totally beleiveable. and scary. I will have to make sure i ask his doctor about it next time we go to get shots.
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@kittykatzz (1132)
• United States
4 Dec 06
thank you very much for your response
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@Violette13 (1048)
• United States
1 Dec 06
This brings to mind something that my best friend was telling me. I live in a rather small town and in the elementary school here, we have THREE kids with autism, that's a pretty high number considering the amount of kids there. I wish i could remember exactly what she was telling me that night, but she was linking it up with vaccines as well.
@kittykatzz (1132)
• United States
1 Dec 06
well the numbers sound about right if theres about 450 children OR SO in that school..thank you for responding!
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@MUNLAKE (159)
• United States
1 Dec 06
THANK YOU so much for posting this info. I think this is the most valuable info i have seen on the web in a long time. comming from a mother of an autistic child, who would or could be more knowledegable? I hope people listen very closely to what you wrote. we need to be more proactive with out physicians. we need to tell them what we won't allow them to do and what we think they should do.
THANK YOU, i only wish you knew of some websites to refer people to, that provided this info. but, i know what you have said is TRUE. your child has an a wonderful very intelligent Mother.
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@teufelskind (813)
• United States
1 Dec 06
hhhhhmmm i dont know it makes u think. i know some and most autism comes from a mistake made in the gene code when one gets out of place or isnt there. i havnt heard of this theory befor it is a good one at that.
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@teufelskind (813)
• United States
1 Dec 06
wellyes it is by more than one because once the code is messed up it stays messed up so in every new sequence it repeats the error
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@kittykatzz (1132)
• United States
1 Dec 06
scientists for YEARS now have been trying to discover in what genes the problems lie..(which is what i mean as far as "children with a different genetic makeup not being able to flush the metals out of their system normally") however they havent actually found any yet.. however they do know that "whatever it is thats making them more susceptible to whatever it is theyve been exposed to" is caused NOT by 1 single genetic "error" (if you will) but several.. or even MANY! im tellin you .. they know.. they just dont tell.. i strongly believe in my heart that at the very least the reason is that all of their evidence lies within the circumstancial realm
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@rainbow (6761)
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1 Dec 06
I don't really know my older son now 7 had autism and ADHD, we currently have problems with migraines and school think he may also be dyspraxic. He is still in "normal" scholing and sees the bahavioual persononce every 2 weeks for half an hour.
He has quite a few problems and does not receive enough help we feel anyway.
When he was a baby he seemed fine but other people were querying his behaviour and progress by the time he was 2. They still are, but he's ok in his own little way although he can be easily upset and can self harm but that's another story.
I don't know if it is linked to the vaccinations and it's too late now if it is. They say its safe but how can we be sure, as a mum you take the GP advice as to what is best for your baby and hope it is. more research may find a way to proctect children with suseptable genes, hope so anyway.
@kittykatzz (1132)
• United States
1 Dec 06
before i say anything else. #1 IT IS NEVER TOO LATE!!! my son is 9! and im still trying EVERYDAY! please never give up!. now.. im not familiar with dyspraxic.. and i also dont have any cases of autism that i study that also have adhd.. so you seem like your situations a bit different.. was your son diagnosed "autistic"? or with an "autism spectrum disorder" such as PDD (pervasive developmental delay) or aspereger's syndrome? they are all alike but have some MAJOR differences.. some parents once they hear that word autism.. everything else fades away and somehow thats all they remember.. i understand BELIEVE ME.. unfortunately ,, for me that was all they had said..however one of the biggest things that they have in common is a "typical" development until about the age of 1 1/2-2 years old.. and then IMMEDIATE regression.. as if all of there learning skills and capabilities are turned off and begin to go backwards.. if they had begun to talk? they stopped.. if they had begun to play? they stop and somehow transition themselves into their own world .. what i would suggest for you is to look up toxic metals,and heavy metals poisoning.. and just compare the symptoms with your sons.. if you seem to make matches.. talk to your doctor.. get them to listen print it and give it to them.. chelation therapy is not a "harming" process,,its "grueling" it is a process in which metals are removed from the body.. however.. it does remove the "healthy" ones too! iron, zinc.. and some other vitamins.. so then those need to be replaced with supplements
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@bhchy1 (6047)
• United States
1 Dec 06
I am also a parent of a child with Autism. She has a half brother and two cousins also with Autism and and Autism Spectrum disorders..including her dad. In my case...it is significately genetic. I do not believe the theroy that vaccines cause Autism. Her two cousins live in Mexico and they have never had a vaccine. Autsim is a neurological disorder..my daughter showed signs of Autism at about 6 months. Vaccines no longer contain mercury and Autsim is on the rise...mostly due to reasearch into the disorder that identifies more children.. thus the change to Autism Spectrum. I am not a doctor either, but I do work in a health clinic with children who have neurological disorders. As for my own opinion...I think people should not go looking for something to lay blame for their child's Autism. It doesn't do anyone any good. Nor do I support the "Cure Autism" project..I do not believe it's curable. But I do support Autism Reaserch to find ways to better treat and serve children and adults with Autism. Many may not agree with me..but this is my own opinion.
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@bhchy1 (6047)
• United States
2 Dec 06
I have read a lot of the comments. Both my daughter and my step son were part of a research done by the Southwest Autsim Research Center. It was a study of siblings with Autism and both have the Fragile X gene and so does their faher. In our case it was clearly a genetic association. Autism research is still in the infancy stage in comparrison to other neurological disorders. 50 years ago, children with Autism were thought to be Schizophrenic. I attend several Autism conference's a year as part of my job and because I am a parent. There are many theories out there regarding how one becomes Autistic. The strongest being it's a neurological disorder that is present before birth. There is also a a new study that recently found that men who become fathers past the age of 40 have a higher rate of having an Autistic child. It may be that there will never be a definitive answer to how Autism occurs which is why I always urge parents to fight for better research and funding to help children with Autism have access to the services and therapies they need. The earlier the intervention the better chance the child has of adapting. And public awareness helps bring our children out of isolation and into the real world and accepted.
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@kittykatzz (1132)
• United States
3 Dec 06
thank you very much for your added information... although i dont agree with autism not being "curable" i respect your views as a parent and fellow researcher.. its very difficult as a parent to see my son as someone that will have this awful disorder for his whole life.. i understand that it may be that way, but i jsut cant help but fight it all the way ,, even if it seems to lower my own "quality of life", i just dont feel as if i could ever just "accept it" and stop trying.. i feel i have "accepted" as much as i can and even if it takes my whole life.. i want my son to get the most out of life that he possibly can.. and if theres even one little thing that i do that makes him ANY % better than he is now. its ALL worth it
@kittykatzz (1132)
• United States
1 Dec 06
thank you very much for responding!.. i appreciate and respect your opinions and views , even though i cant say that i agree with you.. there is no research proven to say that autism is in genetic HOWEVER if you go back and read through some of the pages of this discussion that you may have missed, you will see that I DO agree that i think that parents can be "carriers" for specific genes that could make a child more susceptible to autism,, and that i dont nessecarily think that 100% of cases are reactions of vaccines and thimerisol.. there are an extreme amount of metals that can be taken in by a person of any age dependent on SEVERAL different factors (namingly environmental) that can im sure account for some cases.. theres just no possible way it could ALL be environmental exposure.. but like i said.. if a person is UNABLE to excrete this metals.. they will build up in their system NO MATTER HOW THE METALS get into their system in the first place.. i think this also has ALOT TO DO with the extremely broad spectrum of severities!
@4monsters4me (2569)
• United States
1 Dec 06
I don't have a child with autism but I like your theory. I think it is more of a coincidence that these kids are diagnosed right around the time they get their shots. I always here about how more and more kids are autistic and then they link it to the fact that kids get more and more vaccines now a days but I think the reason there are more cases of autism is that doctors are now looking for the signs. Years ago many people went without being diagnosed and those with minor cases weren't put into the autism category at all, you know. So, of course, it looks like there is a connection.
But that is just my opinion. It might be different if I actually had to deal with an a child that was autistic.
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@kittykatzz (1132)
• United States
1 Dec 06
you bring up an extremely eduacated point.. and you are absolutely right in a sense..however.. the #s that are diagnosed now, due to the more rigorous and intense evaluations by speech, pt, and language pathologists now would only account for roughly 10-15% of the immense amount of diagnoses that are coming out now.. that means that say things were exactly the same as they were 20 years ago with the vaccines and they never changed ANYTHING.. with the new tests we have to diagnose..we would only a have still a small increase (STILL AN INCREASE MIND YOU).. of the diagnoses there are today.. so in short the numbers just dont add up..
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@bigmomma736 (790)
• United States
1 Dec 06
i was wonderin that myself i have an autistic child and he was on alot of meds at birth, i have really never thought of it like that but it seems to be something that medical people need to check into
@kittykatzz (1132)
• United States
1 Dec 06
they wont.. you need to.. how old is your child.. start right away.. they have proven this if nothing else.. the ONLY thing as far as treatment that is DOCUMENTED! (chelation is NOT as of yet!) is early interventioN! the more you do now the more he/she is capable of later! i love to help in any way possible! feel free to ask me anything or sign me as friend!
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@kittykatzz (1132)
• United States
3 Dec 06
this was actually what people thought .. in the 70's.. research has PROVEN this theory FALSE
@kittykatzz (1132)
• United States
3 Dec 06
this was actually what people thought .. in the 70's.. research has PROVEN this theory FALSE
@kittykatzz (1132)
• United States
3 Dec 06
this was actually what people thought .. in the 70's.. research has PROVEN this theory FALSE
@kittykatzz (1132)
• United States
1 Dec 06
they didnt allow me enough room for my picture so im going to place it here!.. thank you for responding.. i would like to get attention of as many as possible!
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@volschenkh (1043)
• South Africa
1 Dec 06
As a scientist I must say that I am not aware of any metal scare in vaccines or levels of metals in vaccines that could cause autism. In my opinion the exposure to metals and specifically heavy metals from contamination of food and water, air (coal burning and car emmisions) are major sources of metal contamination in our childrens lives. I really do not believe that there is any evidence for your hypothesis, but is you feel strongly, I would contact the FDA and request further information.
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@kittykatzz (1132)
• United States
3 Dec 06
vols.. what im saying that my opinion basic on personal research is NOT that its the vaccines alone.. but more so HOW some of their "ingredients" are reacting to some peoples' "problematic" (
@natmommy7 (36)
• United States
1 Dec 06
the FDA wants to make money. do you know how many things they approved that were later pulled off the shelves because of adverse side effects and deaths?
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@kittykatzz (1132)
• United States
4 Dec 06
for lexid.. i MYSELF still recommend you vaccinate.. only because autism isnt as harmful as some of the disease that vaccinations protect against .. BUT THATS THE ONLY REASON!! and also remember.. a physician is always going to do whats THEY BELIEVE is in the best interest of the child and family.. and that is still to vaccinate.. but with precautions.. and just because your children are healthy does NOT mean that those goddam vaccines didnt harm mine
nat.. thank you again.. for providing information as i find you have throughout this discussion. i appreciate the help..
@natmommy7 (36)
• United States
2 Dec 06
like i said before, pediatricians are given the information from pharmaceutical companies that are out to make a buck. of course they are biased. autism now affects 1 in 150 children. do you realize how prevelant that is? that is HUGE!
personally, i think everyone should research this before they vaccinate their children. they are only given biased info from doctors and pharm. companies who want to profit.
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@cloud_kicker_32 (4635)
• United States
5 Dec 06
me persoanlly, I dont think it has anythng to do with autism,If that was the case tere would be alot more cases of it..seeing shots are the law now,,I think it has deff everything to do with genes,,they will find it someday..i just think its a disorder of ther genes like Down syndrome,,it just happens..
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@kittykatzz (1132)
• United States
5 Dec 06
1 out of EVERY 160 children does not im afraid "just happen" i feel also that genetics will be found to play a large role, but that the large amounts of thimerisol given at such a critical developmental stage in childrens life with such genetic problems will be found to be the "trigger"
@luvadeal46 (289)
• United States
5 Dec 06
Thank you for this post.... I just read a post where someone stated that a mother was a bad mother for not immunizing their child.. I was apalled... again I wouldn't tell someone to immunize their child just like I wouldn't tell them not to. This is a personal choice howerver look at all the information out there and then make your decision and if your decision is different that someone elses please do not state they are a bad parent...
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@kittykatzz (1132)
• United States
5 Dec 06
thank you very much for responding.. although i disagree with a persons choice not to vaccinate.. i understand their concerns.. however even though i believe that my sons autism is a direct result of how the ingredients in those vaccines reacted with his genetic makeup, im still vaccinating my younger son.. i feel that the disease that he is protected from outweighs the risk of autism.. those diseases can be fatal.. id rather my son need help, than be unable to be helped
@anne_143god (5387)
• Philippines
2 Dec 06
I never heard about that but I know vaccines is good for children it really prevent the possible sickness of a child and to have them protection from any disease. I dont know that there is such vaccine that will infect a child very horrible..
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@kittykatzz (1132)
• United States
4 Dec 06
i agree that vaccines are to protect. i think they sometimes unfortunately make mistakes and instead of being honest.. the try to bury the truth and not accept consenquences.. there needs to be much more genetic research done
@bacardibarbiebabe (627)
• United States
1 Dec 06
Are there any cases where a child has Austism but hasnt had any vaccination?
@kittykatzz (1132)
• United States
1 Dec 06
i will research this as soon as i can.. however.. from what ive explained in my original post.. i believe that its not ONLY (though most of the time i think its the case!) vaccines that can set off or "trigger" since i believe that its actually metal poisoning.. however that does NOT exclude the belief that environmental esposures could play a role as well.. not in most cases.. but its possible that a percentage (though i dont know how large id have to guess 1%-5% of all cases, may be "environmentally induced") are caused by environmental factors... but theres just no possible way that all cases could be due to that.. thank you for bringing up a VERY good question though
@Rajeshwary (7)
• India
6 Dec 06
My son is 8 and half year old. He was given Hepetitis B vaccine when he was just 2 months old. That time in India it was a new thing and everybody was giving it, so we also did. When he was 2.5 yrs. he was dignosed autistic, and his mercury test showed high levels. But here nobody is sure about chelation. We can't reaLLY DO ANYTHING about it. they say it is proven that metal poisoning is not the reason. As it is in India there is not much of treatment and therapy help. We have no covers and no grants for it. do you think chelation really solves the problem? Also what about the clay bath which claim to detox. I have read about them on internet but no way to find out.
@kittykatzz (1132)
• United States
7 Dec 06
ive never heard of the "clay bath" but if your son showed high metal levels.. i have 2 friends that both have seen TREMENDOUS improvement with chelation therapy.. all it is, is a system to remove metals from the body and replace vitamins.. thats really all your doing so it wouldnt harm ANYONE at all.. the only thing is its expensive, not convered, and most doctors that DO assist with it are FULL around here, there not taking any patients so were on waiting lists.. its a pretty long process too, needing to be done on a VERY strict schedule for a few weeks on and off and so forth.. BUT well worth it.. one friend i have,. his son has shown such dramatic response to it that he says you could no longer guess he was autistic unless someone told you.,. that the only reason he wont try to get him reevaluated is for social security service reasons.. he does get alot of help and he doesnt want to be cut off if they changed it.. but in his opinion his son is now only "somewhat of a shy kid" and doesnt even "seem" autistic.. i wish you the best of luck with your son!..god bless!
