A Thought on New Standard Deductions

@porwest (93187)
United States
October 21, 2022 6:32am CST
I applaud the changes made to the standard deductions for 2023, a measure cited as a way to "help Americans cope with inflation." But it also seems ill-applied a bit and here's why. It does not apply to the taxes you will file in 2023 from the 2022 tax year. It will apply to the taxes you will file in 2024 from the 2023 tax year. In other words, no one is going to see any difference in their tax bills or refund checks until mid 2024—roughly 20 months from now! It is not to poo-poo the idea, nor the supposed "help," but simply to ask the question. What good does any tax break do anyone to deal with inflation now that is not offered until 20 months from now when inflation may be lower anyway? The standard deduction you will file next year remains the same. While I am all for paying potentially less taxes in any tax year, I think the measure is really more smoke and mirrors than offering any real help during a time in which the inflation is running at the highest levels since the 1980s.
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@moffittjc (121798)
• Gainesville, Florida
21 Oct 22
It’s like they’re just throwing darts at a dartboard. “We have no idea what we’re doing, so let’s just take a shot in the dark and see what happens.” I applaud the move too, but we need it now not 20 months from now.
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@porwest (93187)
• United States
21 Oct 22
You are absoluitely right, and I like the way you put it. In fact, they have an entire playbook from Reagan's files they could access in an instant and use that. But of course, why do anything that makes sense or actually works? lol
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@moffittjc (121798)
• Gainesville, Florida
21 Oct 22
@porwest To this day the Dems still argue that Reagan's policies were flawed and bad for the country. Nobody's policies are perfect, but what Reagan did back then was exactly what our country needed. It got us out of recession, it put the breaks on inflation, he made our military strong again, and he ushered in many years of unprecedented economic growth. What's not to like about that?
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@porwest (93187)
• United States
14 Aug
@moffittjc "And he ushered in many years of unprecedented economic growth," is the truth the Democrats always like to try to twist. "But only the wealthy succeeded." No, high tides lift all boats, and when the wealthy succeed they pass that success on to everyone else in the form of better pay, more jobs, and so on and so forth. The era of economic growth after Reagan's measures is undeniable, yet some people will still deny it.
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@CarolDM (203422)
• Nashville, Tennessee
21 Oct 22
Another decision that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. But, oh well, whatever. I say that every day about something I read it seems.
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@porwest (93187)
• United States
21 Oct 22
Part of the problem, and this not meant to be a diss against Biden, yet still many will take it that way. The fact is, that like Jimmy Carter back when he was up against massive inflation, Carter had no idea whatsoever about monetary policy or how money even works. Biden is in the same exact situation. He does not know enough about monetary policy or how money works. Reagan fundamentally understood that money and inflation was more of a product of the money supply, and only the money supply. But he also understood that while that was true, certain monetary policies could be used to make the transition to a low-inflation economy more feasible. Thus, he took swift action to employ policies that would do exactly that, and it worked. In fact, it worked dramatically fast, bringing inflation down from 12.5% to 8.9% in 1981, and by 1982 inflation was only 3.8%. Granted, there are always variables in every economic situation, and so one can't simply do exactly the same things and achieve the same result. However, examining Reagan's policies right now by the Biden administration would be wise and beneficial. But again, in order for anything to work, the president making the policy has to fundamentally understand money in order to be able to determine what is wrong that is causing the problem. Our president, nor the democrat party right now, has the ability to do that. So, we are stuck for the time being. I do not have a lot of confidence that Jerome Powell has the prowess either that Volcker did back in the day. So, there's that too. I have said multiple times that the Fed has not been aggressive enough to tighten the money supply. At the same time, even while the Fed is "independent," presidents ultimately make monetary policy and the Fed does what they are told—as did Volcker under Carter who was only able to finally make inroads when Reagan freed him from Carter's disastrous policies. Sorry so long. Just felt it all needed to be said.
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@porwest (93187)
• United States
22 Oct 22
@CarolDM The playbook is right there. All Biden has to do is open it up.
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@CarolDM (203422)
• Nashville, Tennessee
21 Oct 22
@porwest No need to apologize about being so long. You make excellent points. We could use another Reagan about right now.
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@TheHorse (220758)
• Walnut Creek, California
21 Oct 22
Do you know why they couldn't make it for 2022? It's hard to know what the economy will be like in 2023.
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@TheHorse (220758)
• Walnut Creek, California
21 Oct 22
@porwest Ah, got it.
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@porwest (93187)
• United States
21 Oct 22
Administratively it would be impossible since the tax law/code was already established for 2022. The brackets are different for 2023 as well.
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@noni1959 (10113)
• United States
22 Oct 22
It's crazy but the annual laws and regulations have already been printed up and they can't change it. They still can offer up something. Maybe they will or maybe Biden will do another stimulus that will offset in 2024 with the standard deduction. Something has to give. SS is getting a 8.7 raise this year but I won't see a lot of it since my medical insurance is going up too.
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@noni1959 (10113)
• United States
22 Oct 22
@porwest I agree they were giving out money we couldn't afford to do. There were so many other decisions like Loan forgiveness, not allowing others to evict non-paying renters, giving money to those that could have paid their rent, etc. I know someone who has a $600 rent space, own their mobile, bring in over $5K between them and still didn't pay their rent space and applied to get a check to the landlord. They were approved. That's just so wrong. The SS is not going to help. I had to retire on disability four years ago and I draw SS early and my retirement. My retirement all goes on my insurance (cobra), life insurance, taxes (SS doesn't hold them out and disability is taxed), and extras. If I wasn't living in my owned mini house on my daughter's property, I'd be homeless with how high housing is.
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@porwest (93187)
• United States
14 Aug
@noni1959 The government is almost always wrong headed in their approach of who to help and give money to, which is part of the reason I oppose more taxes. Just get the books right first and THEN tell me if you need more money.
@porwest (93187)
• United States
22 Oct 22
Stimulus checks are one of the causes of the inflation since we printed money to do it, and so that would only add to inflation. It would be a bad idea to do it. We have to suffer it out now, it's the only way. The 8.7% increase in SS is something I also applaud, but with inflation at 8.2% and rising, it likely won't have much of an impact for most people other than to cover some of the difference. The only real takeaway here is that we are in a real pickle here, and unfortunately Biden is like Carter in that he really has no idea about monetary policy. Again, that's not a diss on Biden, just a reality we have to accept. I think by the time we get done with all this inflation will probably see about 14% or higher. Let's hope it doesn't get to that. But I think it is also a bit inevitable, all things considered.
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@dgobucks226 (35806)
28 Oct 22
Another clever political trick to get votes for the midterms, and a reminder to vote Democrat in 2024. Hypocrites all of them! I did invest in I-Bonds since the rate for the next 6 months will be 9.6%. Of course, it does not cover the losses I've incurred in the market since that idiot and his colleagues started their war on the oil industry after he took office.
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@porwest (93187)
• United States
2 Nov 22
The markets for me have been like a roller coaster ride, but I am actually up a bit. Of course, I have a few investments that pay some whopping double digit yields, so that at least helps to offset things a bit, and the value of writing covered calls has increased a bit as well. The I-bonds are a pretty good deal right now. The new set are just under 7%. Amazing you can see a 7% yield though, and not be able to say, "I am beating inflation." lol
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@dgobucks226 (35806)
5 Nov 22
@porwest Ain't that the truth!!!
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@Nakitakona (56484)
• Philippines
21 Nov 22
The intention is good but not immediate. It sounds to be good to be true.
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@porwest (93187)
• United States
24 Nov 22
It was a ploy to get votes. Nothing more and solves nothing.
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@Nakitakona (56484)
• Philippines
24 Nov 22
@porwest It's not new that kind of act. It's what our corrupt politicians are doing. And many were victimized especially the idiots and stupid.
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@Dena91 (16715)
• United States
22 Oct 22
I agree with you, what good will it be to us 20 months from now? Everything with the government will always be smoke and mirrors.
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@porwest (93187)
• United States
14 Aug
And all along Biden was telling us the economy was the best it has ever been and inflation was all the fault of greedy businesses which told us one thing... They aren't going to do a damn thing about inflation and they just want to keep people poor so they can keep their power and hold over us.
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@LindaOHio (183044)
• United States
22 Oct 22
Thanks for the info. I'm assuming the tax code was already in place for this year? Better late than never.
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@porwest (93187)
• United States
26 Oct 22
Yes. The tax code was already in place for 2022. As for better late than ever, there are better measures the administration could do now to help curb the inflation. But that would require real work. Not the fake work they can put in the news today and forget to tell people none of this matters until a year and a half from now. lol
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