Women and the original sin?

This blaming of the women is the original sin,since it is finding fault with those,who bear us for eight months,and from whose wombs we come to this world. Having lived for 8 months in a woman's womb,this accusation,is really a great,great SIN!

I don't know if women are the root of all evil (I don't think so!) but a lot of people seem to think so. I think it's been perpetrated because of religion.

Dear Megs, Reading the Bible a bit closer, we will know that when Eve ate the forbidden fruit, Adam was there together with her. Adam was responsible to prevent Eve from eating the fruit especially since he was the one who was given the rule from God directly, while it was very possible that Eve only knew it from Adam. Still it did not give a ground for both of them to blame one another. My point here is only to imply that Eve was not the only one to blame for eating the forbidden fruit. Christianity never put woman under the lower place from man. If there is anything that seems to be forbidden for woman, it is NOT to degrade woman, but to put everything in its place. Man and woman are created to complete each other, that is why Eve was taken from Adam's rib. It was because of the sin that now we are competing against one another. Each has different task with different responsibility that only by join together they will be able to complete everyting perfectly. That is the original purpose. Patriarchal is not generated because of the original sin. But I believe God choose man to be the leader over woman because it is to represent God as the Father whose responsibility to protect, to love, to serve, to lead and everything else related to a father's roles. That is why we have patriarchal lineage. If any man is a true follower and believer of the Lord Jesus Christ, he will not feel any superiority over any women. He will understand that he is there to support woman so that together they will become more like Christ. But thank you for your discussion here, Megs... It helps to see how this world has been so upside down without following the guidance from God through His words in the Scripture...=)

No i don't think that it states that women are the root of evil..i think that it just states that women are brave and are not afraid to take the lead every once in awhile!

it's a load of crap! a nun herself (!) told us that it was written to make women look bad. Mary is often overlooked i feel, she was jesus' mother after all, what if she had said no?!

I live in Italia, a Catholic country, but I am not Christian, I consider myself a Pagan, so I don't believe in Bible or other "Holy writings". Once, in the Neolithic age, the women were very important in the society, thay played the leading role, but after the Indo-Europeans came, everything changed, in the ancient culture the snake was very important, but later it became the symbol of female, and so it was crushed by the new patriarchal culture. Religion has many responsabilities in our sexist society, for instance, nuns don't have the same rights of priests, and this is one of the reasons why I've never been Christian.

well,actually yes,the bible and the religion blame the women..just think about some church rules that proove it..at least in my religion,women should have their head covered when they enter the church,women are not allowed in the church if they are on menstruation,as they are considered to be dirty ,and they are also forbidden to walk in the altar,while men don't have those rules...it's unfair if you ask me,but the fact that we have menstruation it's because we can give birth and i see it as a gift..of course,it takes a man and a woman to have a child but why see it as a bad thing that the mother carries the baby for 9 months when we can see it as a gift that men don't have..and a special bound with the baby.. anyways,i am a christian and i believe in god,but i dont really believe in church and i agree with you that it all started from religion,that men are superior to women,and it's wrong if you ask me..

I think some have perhaps twisted it this way. But they neglect where Paul wrote, Adam sinned first.. or Adam's sin was the bigger for he was not tricked, as Eve was. God, of course, when He endowed thinking ability, and thus the ability to choose, knew all that would happen. When He first gave rationality, a whole new world (or tree!) of possibilities 'came to be'. He knew that sooner or later all would wander into imPerfection, so He sent the Son to check that journey away from Life/Perfection/God - He also waited to create man and woman only after lucifer's rebellion had blossomed into outright revolt and sedition (and trickery). Why? So we all (people and angels) would take this unavoidable journey through imperfection, all together, and once for all time and eternity.. Otherwise all would take it at separate times, which would basically make it go on for infinity... Because God gave thinking ability/choice, we all suffer some, some terribly, but God, being Life, suffers, experiences and lives through all sufferings which occur, and have occurred! Why would He put Himself through all this??! Because He's not creating an ant farm or robots, but the best, a family, and an eternal UNbreakable paradise...

You have a point, I never put that together. Now I think the Bible has something to do with that, interesting!!!

IT MIGHT BE TRUE AND MAY BE THAT IS THE REASON WHY THERE IS A SAYING THAT A WOMEN IF SHE WANTS CAME MAKE AS WELL AS DESTROY A MAN. BUT BLAMING WOMEN PARTICULARLY IS NOT CORRECT. IN BIBLE TOO IT WAS MENTIONED THAT EVE GOT TEMPTED BECAUSE OF THE SNAKE. BESIDES WHY DID ADAM ATE THAT APPLE IF HE KNEW THAT IT WAS WRONG. HE GOT TEMPTED TOO!

People like to interpret what they wish to believe. Adam was alone and God knew he was lonely and needed a mate. DNA was extracted from his rib to create Eve. I believe God is a great genetics man!

The people who founded christianity (Peter and Paul) had a real problem with women. Peter was jealous of Mary Magdelaine, and in one of the "apocryphal" gospels, ommitted from most Bibles, and denied by the Catholic church, Peter asks Mary M what Jesus had told her when they were alone, and she refuses to tell him. Basically, he wanted to be the number 1 follower, and he felt usurped by Jesus treatment of Mary - he saw her as more of an equal. Peter wanted the power (hearts and minds of the Jesus-followers) and he had a rival who was more intimate with their Guru than he was, possibly even having a son by her. This is why he established the Catholic Church on such patriarchal grounds, and chose a misogenist to join him (Saul). The roots of Judaism, which were based around the sciences, magic - coming from the word "mage" or wisdom and more enlightened philosophical learning were followed by a group led by John the Baptist, whom it's possible Jesus was also a follower. When John the Baptist fell out of favour and was killed by Herod (salome, head on a platter etc), his next in command was a man named Simon Magus, who studied at the university in Alexandria (I believe around this time), and Jesus and Mary Magdelaine (also a follower of this sect) set up their own splinter group, gaining popularity with the Jewish folk unhappy with the Romans occupying their lands, and having to pay taxes to them. This is a brief overview of how christianity came about, still being all about power, but not the oppression of women (quite the opposite in fact), but after Peter took over, the same power over the people went to him, but he changed the teachings, made up the myth of Jesus being a God (from the idea that the divine is in everything in nature, therefore in all people), and made women inhuman (either evil loose women, or infallible angels, not people). This is where the christians' attitude towards "the place of women" comes from. Hope that gives you some insight, and isn't it sad that after so many centuries, people are still too afraid to think for themselves?

It was not only Eve but also Adam. Yes the Word refers to Eve a few times but Adam was there as well, he was next to Eve when she chose to sin. In that Adam also sinned. This can not only be seen as a Eve event but also Adam. God is righteous and that is why He had to remove them both from the garden, from His fellowship with Him.

The problem is not religion but who we've let interpret religion. the original Hebrew texts are sacred but we must choose our teachers wisely in order not to let the teachings get polluted. Women are the highest and even higher then men. Yes this world is a man's world and in the name of James brown " it means nothing...nothing without a woman. "Women are more naturally connected to their higher selves while men need to work harder to reconnect to their source root. The problem is Women let men influence them so much that they forget their connection. getting back to the topic though. If we really studied that text in hebrew with a wise teacher we would see that all those verses hold infinite secrets into our creation and purpose on this Earth. We just have to be motivated to always look deeper and not stop at the surface.

I don't think men are the superior gender, and don't think religion has anything to do with how our society looks at them either. Women can be pretty evil, eps when it comes to other women. The way women treat other women is unbearable! This isn't from religion. I could say stuff about men, I'm in that kind of mood, but I won't.

Wimmen are not evil. It's the men who prey on them! I got no problem with wimmen. It's nice having them around - apart from those big butch mamas with the big barttams - they need spanking!

I do not necessarily believe that Eve was looked at as evil. Plenty of people in her position would have done the same thing she did. She felt there was a good opportunity and she went after it, just to share with her husband. This is everyday life where we feel we gain and pass on the reward. She just happened to be a woman? Makes you think though about man being superior so to speak in the world. That's interesting.....

no I do not because eve was hard headed in the bible and men are too when god tells you do something to could do it

it is all how u think, the bible, or Christianity has given a gr8 place for woman, and the better example is Mother Mary,who gave birth to Jesus.Saying abt Eve,If u understand the background behind how, when, where, how and why,this book was written then u understand that Woman are no way inferoir to the society,Eve is made by removing a rib of Adam... which shows symbolically that woman is not superior to men as she was not made from any part of head,of man.,and not inferior coz she wasn't made from knee or foot, but Woman is equal to man. so forget all this and know the correct understanding what a religion explains 2 u.

i dont believe in it that woman is a root of evil. woman is emotionally weak so evil work on her mind to compell her to do according to his sayings. but it just happened in mere cases bot always.