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My friend is a murderer.
@helpful_ideas (1620)
United States
December 21, 2006 6:53pm CST
I'm not sure how to react to him or be around him now. I found out that he killed someone back during the Vietnam War. He had been in a prisoner camp and just been released less than a week before when he saw a protester peeing on the American flag. He flipped out, didn't even remember the confrontation afterward, but basically he killed the guy with his bare hands.
He was convicted of manslaughter and given parole.
Now he is much older and has extreme diabetes. He can't get a regular job because of his conviction so he drives a cab as self-employment (he rents the cab from it's owner). He can't get an apartment either, so he lives in his cab.
His gout and arthritis are so bad that he REALLY needs some medical help.
It has been several decades since all this happened and time has changed him, but I'm still not sure how to react.
I mean, what do you say when your friend tells you he killed someone?
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@tlex107250 (667)
• United States
22 Dec 06
The war in Vietnam had changed a lot of people. And when our solders returned, we let them down. They deserved to be treated better than what we as a nation did. They went to a war because we were trying to help a friendly country. While people here demonstrated and protested the war, they were being shot at and killed by an enemy that they couldn't differentiate from the locals. When he came home and found someone dessicrating the American Flag in such a vile way, as you said, he snapped. He served his time and paid the price. It was a mistake that was brought upon feelings that he has for his, and our country. If he needs medical attention, then he should go to the nearest VA hospital and get the needed medical attention. After all, he is entitled to this. And what would you have done, had you been in his shoes? A Vietnamese POW camp was not like being in prison. It was a lot worse. Even a maximum security prison, by todays standards, couldn't compare to his prison experience.
And what to say to him, unless he brings it up again, don't talk about it, after all he is your friend. And I hope that you wouldn't let anything change that. It sounds like he could use a good friend.
@helpful_ideas (1620)
• United States
22 Dec 06
I intend on remaining his friend but I'm just not sure how I should react to jokes or comments like "I coulda killed", that kind of thing. He's timid enough physically, but wicked smart and emotionally fragile.
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@helpful_ideas (1620)
• United States
22 Dec 06
He goes to the VA and waits through lines to get to see doctors but he needs a regular bed and not to be sleeping in the cold.
I wish I could help him out somehow.
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@JamesHxstatic (29413)
• Eugene, Oregon
23 Feb 16
@helpful_ideas Is there a vet center where you live?
@helpful_ideas (1620)
• United States
22 Dec 06
The fact that he was in th war doesn't bother me at all. I think he is still haunted by ghosts though.
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@disvachic (10117)
• United States
22 Dec 06
If you are a true friend then you will remain friends but just watch your back!
@helpful_ideas (1620)
• United States
22 Dec 06
I'm just not sure how to react to jokes or comments like "I coulda killed", that kind of thing.
@euniceeleanor (5966)
• Singapore
22 Dec 06
wow! he's really very patrotic, to kill someone who peed on the american flag. well, i think he already paid for his punishment, seeing that he has extreme diabetes, gout, arthritis and have to lives in his cab...i think he just want to enjoy his limited days on earth..just try to be a true friend by being there to listen to him...but be careful in whatever you do..and dont get too close. Take Care
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@helpful_ideas (1620)
• United States
22 Dec 06
He's fairly unstable but he does need a friend. I just wish there was something I could do to make his life easier.
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@mkirby624 (1598)
• United States
22 Dec 06
You have to remember that the Vietnam War was a really hard time for soldiers. They heard and saw things that would make us cry for our mamas. It caused a lot of them to be mentally unstable. What he did was probably just a auto-reaction to all those things he saw. That messed a lot of people up.
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@helpful_ideas (1620)
• United States
22 Dec 06
*nods* Post traumatic stress syndrome can really mess someone up. I mentally understand what happened at the time and that it was so long ago and he has changed, but for some reason I am still pretty jumpy around him.
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@helpful_ideas (1620)
• United States
22 Dec 06
Yeah, I feel bad for him, but at the same time, I'm kind of edgy around him.
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@Polly1 (12645)
• United States
22 Dec 06
Your friend is not a murderer, we can't imagine what he went thru being a POW. We can't imagine what he went thru during the war. If he had done that now and gotten good counsel, he probably would not have been convicted, It sounds to me like he would have been temporary insane. Try to be a campassionate and understanding friend, and get it out of your head that he is a murderer, he is a survivor.
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@helpful_ideas (1620)
• United States
22 Dec 06
Killing someone makes you a murderer. Kind of the definition of it.
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@innechen (1318)
• Indonesia
22 Dec 06
if you considered ur self as his friend and really concern about his life then u got to give him a chance.however people can change besides as you say he's getting older now and not healty, so u should give him a help at anytime as a friend, but still u should be aware too, dont make his emotion runs bad.what happens during a war was because he defense his country and sent there by the country so u couldnt blame him for that, and what he did after that its also because he feel everyone should honour the country only he do it in a wrong way.
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@helpful_ideas (1620)
• United States
22 Dec 06
It's kind of his temper that worries me. He is pretty patient with me overall but I'm scared of setting him off now.
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@helpful_ideas (1620)
• United States
22 Dec 06
Good point. I'll try to relax a bit more around him. Time will tell.
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@DeeBloomers (688)
• United States
22 Dec 06
Darlin a lot of vietnam vets came home much different than they left. It is not their fault. It is just that they had to see things and do things that their minds just could not handle. My cousins husband came back and he would be okay for a while and then he would have flash backs and start shooting the house up! She tried so hard to stay with him, but started fearing hers and her kids lives and left. He told us some of what happened there, but didn't talk about it too much. He said that one day him and his men were just walking down the road and this little boy about 3 or 4 was running to them with a big smile on his face, with his arms out for them to pick him up, and they had to shoot him down, to save themselves because he was a walking time bomb! There was explosive strapped all over his body. He was told to run to them, God knows for what? How is the human mind suppose to handle something like that? It doesn't and it causes the epidsodes such as your friend most likely had the day he killed that person. Obviously that is what the court figured too or he wouldn't have gotten just parole. I had a few of my friends die in Nam and the ones that came home were put down for doing what they were forced to do. I couldn't even begin to tell you what you should do for your friend. These poor men and women who went through this time have been going through their own kind of hell because of that place and now we have another Nam! God help us.
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@helpful_ideas (1620)
• United States
22 Dec 06
I'm afraid the folks over in Iraq right now are going through similar times. The terrorists have used children and animals and anything else they can think of to hide their bombs. I feel so bad for our soldiers.
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@helpful_ideas (1620)
• United States
22 Dec 06
When I was that age, I was having my "golden days" and goofing off and getting away with everything. I still look at it a some of the best years of my life. Wonder how they will look back at it.
@DeeBloomers (688)
• United States
22 Dec 06
Me too sweetie, me too. I pray every day for them. They had no idea what they were getting into, and a lot of them are barely adults. God be with them.
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@hockeygal4ever (10021)
• United States
22 Dec 06
I guess it would always be in the back of my mind, but to be honest it shouldn't change your friendship itself other than if you start to see a change in his actions that would alert you to him having a breakdown or flashback again. He obviously has changed and who knows what could have made him flip. I think I'd try to remain friends but make sure your family and your own self is not in danger.
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@helpful_ideas (1620)
• United States
10 Jan 07
Sounds like a plan. Not quite sure what sort of signs to watch for though.
@Kackie3 (345)
• United States
22 Dec 06
Vietnam messed up a lot of our soldiers minds while that war was going on. They saw things and had to do things that we can't even imagine. It is bound to give a bad feeling to see someone desecrating our flag. His mind still being fresh from war, made him lose it. He has done his time, and probably suffered enough over what happened in Nam, and after he came home. If you have always been a friend, he sure needs one now. You shouldn't turn your back on him if he has gone through a lot of changes over the years. It is now that he needs a friend the most.
@helpful_ideas (1620)
• United States
22 Dec 06
Thanks :-) I think we'll make it through this as friends. Just taking a little bit of adjusting in my thinking. Thankfully he is a pretty patient guy.
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@helpful_ideas (1620)
• United States
22 Dec 06
Thanks. I'm glad to see you (and the other commenters) so supportive.
I guess my big problem is I am now jumpy around him and I don't WANT to be. I WANT to be the good friend I was before. Just have to figure out a way to work through this unease.
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@Kackie3 (345)
• United States
22 Dec 06
Just remember all the things that has made him a good friend to you, in the first place. Weigh all his good points, you know he has them that is why he has been your friend. He is still the same person he was before he told you this. Don't let what he did years ago shadow what obviously is a great friendship.
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@helpful_ideas (1620)
• United States
10 Jan 07
Yep, he has finally been honest with me. I understand his hesitance to come out with this earlier in the friendship, but still am not sure how to react.
@helpful_ideas (1620)
• United States
22 Dec 06
I am trying to help him, but feel jumpy aroudn him and wish that I didn't.
I can't help with his medical situation but maybe I can help him find a place to live.
@AuraGael (61)
• United States
22 Feb 16
Maybe read up on PTSD written by experienced therapists or even people who have written about their own experiences from having it, to find answers to your questions. I can understand the conflict from your side. I read about it a lot because I have it, but not from war. Mine is complex from ongoing events. Reading about it helps to understand it.
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@sbeauty (5865)
• United States
22 Dec 06
If he's you're friend, try to understand. I'm sure that this event has haunted him all his life. Vets do wierd things that the rest of us cannot imagine because of horrific things they've seen and experienced. I have a friend whose a vietnam vet. He's married to the sweetest woman in the world, but every once in awhile he goes through a bad spell where he hates her and verbally abuses her. She's learned to live with it, because she loves him and knows he can't help it. They've been married for 25 years.
Your friend is a very sick, miserable man. He needs all the friends he can get. Let God deal with his past, and you help him with his present and future!
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@helpful_ideas (1620)
• United States
22 Dec 06
I'm trying to help him find a place to live right now. I'm just having difficulty in figuring out whether I should have my 2-year-old around him or not. The guy isn't the most ...screwed in light bulb in the fixture?
@helpful_ideas (1620)
• United States
22 Dec 06
It was a bit of a blow to the trust foundation of our friendship, but I kind of understand. I mean how do you come out and say "oh by the way I killed a guy." It isn't exactly easy to work into conversation.
@anuragmishra (127)
• India
22 Dec 06
dont react to him... just remain like his friend.. it could be that he has done the murder under some heavy circumstances or maybe due to some problems... remain his friend and dont make him feel that he is a murderer
@helpful_ideas (1620)
• United States
14 Jan 07
*nods* Staying neutral is kind of difficult though when I am the mother and primary caregiver to a 2-yr-old and I should protect him from people who are unstable.
@helpful_ideas (1620)
• United States
22 Dec 06
Seriously? Even though it was decades ago in trying times, you wouldn't try to stay his friend?
@prap81287 (32)
• India
22 Dec 06
u know why he did such a thing.. so it ll be better, knowing the circumstances under which he did such a thing, to support him at such times of difficulties..
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@usersignup (93)
• India
22 Dec 06
somehow quite disorienting to think about 'nam and 'apocalypse now' kinda situations... brrrr
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