Should children correct children?
By sunshinecup
@sunshinecup (7871)
December 31, 2006 7:19am CST
I have a friend, whom claims she took parenting classes before she had children, that allows her oldest child (8) to correct her youngest child (6). She consults with her on punishments as well as whether or not he should be punished! It is never visa versa, mind you. The youngest has no say so over the oldest. She claims this is to prevent her (the oldest child) from ever feeling left out because she was not an only child. She said it teachers her responsibility as well. IMO I think this is warped. Has anyone ever heard this before? I can only see years of animosity brewing between the two siblings as well as the youngest towards his mother. I have even seen it perfectly acceptable for this child to punish her brother without saying a word to her Mom. What are your opinions on this? Have you ever heard of anything like this before? I just don't get it.
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@ItTakesAllSorts (4096)
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31 Dec 06
This is a form of child abuse on the poor youngest. To consult with your eldest child what punishment should be given is unbelievable.
What parenting classes did this woman go to. Was it titled "How to screw up your kids lives".
I am always having to stop my eldest telling her brother off. I tell her he already has a mother and he doesn't need another one. But to give your child permission to do this, is in my eyes abuse.
She is going to have so many problems with both her children as they grow if she continues this insane way of parenting.
Have you told her how you feel. I certainly would for the sake of her children. Find some information on how children can be seriously affected by this sort of parenting.
All siblings argue, thats part of growing up and a great way of learning how to express yourself without being judged. But this is bullying and lack of parental responsibility.
Why are there so many mad parents out there. We are their teachers, to give them the best start in life and enable them to have self-esteem. Which kids certainly need nowadays.
If you are really close to your friend talk to her. Tell her how you feel. If not, could you play an important part in these childrens lives, especially the little boy. If he has someone who he can feels loves him, this could help him.
What a sad situation.
I hope your friend wakes up to this and realises how wrong it is.
I wish you and her children all the best.
@sunshinecup (7871)
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1 Jan 07
100% agree!
Both can rat on each other, but I decide who get's punished.
@scorpius (1792)
• India
31 Dec 06
actually all that the above reminds me of is why i used to hate the class monitor in my school so much. have to9 agree with you and that it does feed more hostility.whats more they are sibngs and as such are already prone to fight.throw in monitoring in there and you have a huge mess on your hands.i think that you shold seriously advice your friend on this or at least take her to the lnks that i have given below!
http://library.adoption.com/information/sibling-relationships/357/1.html
http://www.siblingsupport.org/
http://www.kidshealth.org/parent/emotions/feelings/sibling_rivalry.html
@sunshinecup (7871)
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1 Jan 07
I am sorry, but I have no idea what you are trying to say here? Let her take classes? I'm not stoping her. It's hard to beleive? Yes, because it is not a healthy way to treat children. No, the children are not mine, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't try to prevent a horrible out come for them.
What part of the world are you from? Just curious.
@jennifer611 (2514)
• United States
31 Dec 06
wow that is totally wrong.. this girl is gonna grow up being a spoiled brat thinking she can boss everyone around..
not to mention the fights its gonna lead to later on between these two siblings because this 8 yr old is pretty much playing the parent roll..
I think its kinda child abuse really..
It's like she has permission to be mean to the poor kid or something..
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@sellj75 (208)
• United States
1 Jan 07
Something else the mother might need to consider is the fact that the younger one may outgrow the older one. My oldest two kids are 17 months apart, and are the same size (ages 8 and almost 10). I expect that the younger one will outgrow the older one within the year. It would be hard to keep the younger one from hurting the older one in revenge in those circumstances.
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@sunshinecup (7871)
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1 Jan 07
Jenniger-
One thing I can say, the oldest child isn’t really cruel to her brother. She just has a lot of power over him, that she shouldn't IMO. But who’s to say she won’t abuse it in the future.
Sellj-
Exactly! He is already close to her height, he’s gonna be a big guy. What are they going to do when he stands over top of her? Right now he loves her, but again, I can see animosity brewing.
@34momma (13882)
• United States
31 Dec 06
As a mother of three, 17, 11, and 2. I say that is crap!! As you have said this does nothing but cause animosity between the children. I would never give that kind of power to one child over the other. She is looking at a big big trouble. She better put a stop to this now before she digs herself and her children a deeper hole!!
@bkhimanshu (54)
• India
31 Dec 06
yes it makes the older one to feel as the protector of the younger...
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@sunshinecup (7871)
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1 Jan 07
spacedogsuger –
You know you brought up a very good point, I never even thought about, the stress of it. I have often went to bed carrying a huge weight on my chest worrying if I did the right thing where my kids were concerned. I’m 36, this child is 10, I can see this happening to her eventually. I think she is way too young to be put in this position. I wonder what my friend's books and classes taught about needlessly stressing children out?
@spacedogsuger (49)
• United States
1 Jan 07
I Do not fully disagree with your statement, but there is a point where it can bring resentment or stress for both children. The eldest should not be handing out the punishments or even figuring out if its even a punishable offense.
The best way I can explain my veiw would be to discribe my parents dogs. Not that children should be treated like dogs. My parent have 3. In every pack there is always an alfa dog. This is a dog that other dogs follow. The alfa dog protects the pack. Warns the others of danger or steping over the bounds. This dog does not out rank the owner. The owner sets the boundries. The owner of the dogs has to make sure that all of the dogs know where there love, supported, disiplined, and guidince come from them. The alfa dog does not feed them, cloth them or teach them.
So if the older child LETS the younger one walk in glass then its the older child responsiblity to stop them or tell the parent. But it is not the older childs responsibilty to hand out the punishment. I can tell you the older child will think less of the parent if this continues. An will have issues in the future communicating with others. They may also feel like the world in on there shoulders.
Oh and the statement that the mother feels bad that the older one is not an only child anymore. That really sends the message to the older one that the younger one is inconvent and less then he/she is. Or not wanted. I know very few people who have had a disadvantage growing up with other siblings.
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@cloud_kicker_32 (4635)
• United States
1 Jan 07
ohh my!! This is soooo very bad!!!This is a crock too! I would love to meet these moron paretning peopel that told her to do this..and i bet you money they dont have any children..This IS total child abuse by the older child and parent..this is wrong..no one should be able to disapline a child but an adult,!or if say the child was an older Teenager watching a young child yes,but not with 2 yrs apart..8 yrs old is just as bad as 6 there isnt much of an age difference..ohhh i wish i could have it so the children were able to punish the mother..and she could see how rediculous this really is!!
@jimotman (633)
• Indonesia
1 Jan 07
no I haven't heard of anything like that before, I think it's ugly.. parents are the one who should punish their children, even when the older child is 20 years old and the younger child is 6 years old, still the older child shouldn't punish the younger one. That is so strange. I can't imagine how the little brother would treat her sister when he grow up..
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@Pigglies (9329)
• United States
1 Jan 07
Hmm, that sounds kind of odd! I can somewhat relate to it though from when I was a kid. If my parents consulted me, I could have told them exactly what punishment I got for things similar to what my brother did. But they didn't. Instead, he walked away with no punishment many times. As a result, I often had to take over to prevent him from being a spoiled brat. If he broke something of mine and my parents just said "oh well", but I would have been whipped with a belt for the same offense, I'd smack him one to teach him a lesson. I understood how punishment worked early on and did not think it was fair that I was punished while he was not. So I made things equal.
Amazingly, this really kind of worked, so maybe your friend is onto something.
My brother doesn't really care what my parents think a lot of times, but he respects me. When he was getting bad grades, I was always the one to tutor him. When he was doing really bad in school, I got him into the band so that he'd have to get good grades to stay in. That ended up being the thing he liked, and now he gets As and Bs. So I don't think it had a negative effect on him to be punished. I've seen some of my cousins with parents who don't believe in punishment, and they turn out horrible. It'd be nice if the parents could do it though. They should treat both children equally. If you're gonna smack one with a 2x4 for something, smack the other too if they do the same thing!
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@sunshinecup (7871)
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1 Jan 07
I think siblings should be partners in crime and Mom and Dad the police, judge and jury.
I do know what you mean about your brother respecting you more. I pretty much raised my brother due to circumstances beyond my mother's control, and to this day he will listen to me before he will our mother. I haven't exsplained that to my friend yet, never thought of it till now. I'm going to point that out to her and see what happens. Most likely nothing, but it's worth a chance.
@medooley (1873)
• United States
1 Jan 07
Oh yeah this is warped. No parent should need to consult their 8 year old as to what the punishment should be for the 6 year old. She needs to step up and be a parent. If I had to guess she is trying to shift the "blame" that the younger child would put on her if she was disiplining the child. By having the 8 year old do it, the 6 year old is going to get upset with the 8 year old and not her.
And there is NO way that an 8 year old should be punishing the 6 year old with out her Mom. The reason why the 8 year old should be is because her mind is not mature enough to handle the situations that might occur. There is a time when you do not need to punish a child for certian things and I don't believe that an 8 year old knows the differnece between those times.
I think that you friend is making a terrible mistake. That being said, it is her family and unless something illegal is taking place there is nothing that can really be done about it.
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@SGOEL27 (927)
• India
1 Jan 07
yes i think it's right because now a days there are only nuclear families. In these families husband and wife both are going for jobs thats why they have no time for their children. so what's harm in it if older child correct younger child but this activity also make him responsible.
@sunshinecup (7871)
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1 Jan 07
Well the problem is, she is a stay at home mom. Second the ages are 8 and 6. The harm in is this, is way too much responsibility for a child of this age, it's demeaning the youngest child, and the future resentment from the younger child will be unavoidable. That's just the top 3 of a long list.
@maapav (729)
• India
1 Jan 07
I think this is not correct.U must give older one the responsibility to show him the better way only by doing it himself.It will stupidity to give older one responsibility to correct the younger one.Do U think older one is that much old enough.The younger one will only feel inferior to elder one.I advise never do this.
@yrteja (651)
• India
1 Jan 07
children correcting the children is a good thing but not a right one.
it leads to bad impressions onthe child and the complaints should be told to elders so that they cansolve.it increases criticism uin the children.
so the elders should take care of their children
@SpitFire179 (2536)
• Canada
1 Jan 07
I have both seen and heard of this, though not in any of my psychology studues, nor my child psychology/parenting cources. This woman seems to think that this will work? Your right, it will cause big problems in personality and the relationship between sibblings, as well as problems in the younger ones life, actually it'll cause problems with the older as well, because she will think that it's okay to do this to everyone that she sees as 'lesser' than her, which will make her a very un popular kid as she gets older in todays society... By the looks of it this woman shouldn't have kids, because she's screwing them up more than she's helping them. It's not right.. and a child should never be allowed to punish another child, especially their sibblings. I grew up in a home where i had to be parent to my 5 younger sibblings, because my parents wouldn't have anything of it.. Now my sibblings see me as mom, and my mom and dad as jerks because they never seemed to want anything to do with them, that might happen as well. I tried not to punish them, and if i did i always explained why i was punishing them, and how they could change it for the next time, it's hard, and it's definately molded my life a lot differently than it would have been if i would have just been allowed to be a child.
I wish the best for those poor kids, and i hope someone can do something about this... Maybe the child services in your area can do something about this. I know they do here now.
Peace and love be with you, your family and friends.
Best wishes and good luck hun.
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@sunshinecup (7871)
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1 Jan 07
Well the problem with calling child protection is, in all other aspects she is a good mother. He children are well fed, clean and even do extra activities such as sports. He is in school and is doing well. Right now there is no proof of it causing harm. There for there is nothing legally I can do, but continue to harp how wrong it is.
You said you have seen this before, I am so blown away. I don't want to say I don't believe her, I just couldn't believe anyone else would think this is OK. Shocking
@cutepenguin (6431)
• Canada
1 Jan 07
An 8 year old punish a 6 year old? That seems a bit ridiculous, to be blunt.
Children don't have the reasoning or the experience of an adult, they shouldn't have the responsibilities either.
And if this is to make up for the fact that her daughter didn't get to be an only child, well, her son didn't get to be one, either.
My younger sisters listened to me and were expected to follow my example, and I was expected to set a good example. But I was not consulted in how my sisters were raised. They only listened to me because they were used to, not because our parents told them to.
In other families I know, the older children can tell the younger children what to do, like remind them to do their homework or tell them not to eat junk food, and the younger kids have to listen, but only parents punish, and only parents set the rules.
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@berlynn1975 (737)
• United States
31 Dec 06
I've never heard of parenting classes teaching this. It is strange. I have seen where a child may have a sibling a few years younger and may say "stop" or something like that. Especially if an action can hurt his/her self. But, disciplining should definitley not be left to the sibling, that is unless there's custody, like of a significantly younger sibling.
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@clark16 (375)
• Philippines
1 Jan 07
We'll if it teaches responsibility over siblings it's quite OK since he's the oldest. If the parent is not around, the oldest is there to take care of everything in the house since his younger siblings follows him and have discipline over themselves.
If you don't mind, that's how our culture in our country is going on, we give respect to our older brother and sister and follows him/her or correct us if we're wrong. It's a good feeling that somebody's there to correct you and taken a good responsibility upon you. If you're stubborn, you won't like this setup.
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@Pigglies (9329)
• United States
1 Jan 07
I think that would work better if the oldest was more than 2 years older though. In the US, it seems quite common for the youngest to be the favorite instead, which is unfortunate. I think all should be equal, but if the parents have to be out or something, someone has to be left in charge.
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@sunshinecup (7871)
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1 Jan 07
You do know by provoking tons of replies to your post, it won't up your points don't you?
@gagandeepxi (178)
• India
31 Dec 06
yes,
i think childrens should correct other small one
so that they could understand the right things to do .