Women should be paid a wage for bringing up children!!!
@ItTakesAllSorts (4096)
January 10, 2007 2:54am CST
I stayed at home for 9 years to give my children security and the best start in life. But straight away I have been penalised. I am not eligable for full state pension, even though I have nurtured the next generation of workers to look after the next generation of pensioners.
Why are women penalised for staying at home?
It's not fair that we should suffer and when we finally do have the oppotunity to go back into the workforce, jobs for women are paid less.
I am sick of the exploitation of women.
Do you feel the same????
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@fairytopia88 (175)
• Philippines
11 Jan 07
I agree totally....being a hands on mom is the hardest task in the whole world..no day off...and this is not something that one can just take for granted.....
Too often efforts women give in rearing their child is underestimated.
Yeah women should get paid for sacrificing a career just to give their kids a better start in life.....
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@rosey3223 (1566)
• United States
10 Jan 07
I definitely agree with you!! I was getting paid more than my fiance was a year ago while I was working, but now we have had a baby (now to be a year old this month), and I know that if I was to go back to work I would have to start at the bottom. If feel, that all comments were correct in that if we are not paid (and I would love to have that $125,000 salary just for taking care of my kids), then there should be some sort of pension or at least health care. Right now the only thing we are getting is Medicaid for the baby and it is expiring this month...after that you have to qualify based on how much you make, and we make too much because Medicaid has made the qualifications higher.
It is no picnic raising children as any parent will tell you if they admit to it...but ya know, if I could I would take my happy a$$ to Germany just so that I would get paid for taking care of my kids, then I knew that there would be a steady stream of income, rather than "quiting" and starting at the bottom.
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@rosey3223 (1566)
• United States
11 Jan 07
Sorry, but not in my line of work!! I have been striving to become a part of management for well over 5 years now and I have been in that type of business for 10...and each and every time that I go to a different "business", they make me start at the bottom!! I am tired of working my a$$ off for minimum wage doing the same thing every time when I am well qualified to work for more!! But no one seems to want to hear that either!! No, I do not have a degree nor have I gone to college, but I am good at what I do and every time it gets passed up.
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@mkirby624 (1598)
• United States
11 Jan 07
if after having that much experience you would have to go back and start at the bottom..I think I would find a new company that take experience into consideration. Most places don't start you at the bottom if you change jobs and you have experience.
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@ItTakesAllSorts (4096)
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11 Jan 07
Well said. If people were encouraged to work and not allowed to sponge off the government, and I'm not talking about single parents who usually have no choice. Then more money would be available to help out families that do not make the requirements to claim benefits, by giving the mother a small wage to benefit herslf and her family.
Good response!!!
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• Australia
11 Jan 07
I do agree - I stay at home because I don't want my children to grow up in daycare. In Australia we have a parenting payment (government allowance) which is not much and cuts out when my partner earns over a certain (quite small) amount. I am also entitled to what is called a Family Tax Benefit which amounts to around $350 a fortnight. This payment is variable on what my partner earns also. it is shameful how women are exploited and treated all round - if we stay at home we are penalised, if we go back to work we are penalised - childcare costs and tax eat up the extra income and you end up working for nothing or it actually costs money to go back into the workforce. We are bringing up the next generation of workers - we should be encouraged and financially supported to do so. Perhaps when women run the world, it will become a more equitable place...
@ItTakesAllSorts (4096)
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12 Jan 07
Thank you, you have read the discussion and see what women do go through.
I respect your comments and hope those who are against women being treated fairly read your views.
Well said!!!
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@inked4life (4224)
• United States
10 Jan 07
There was a study done recently to try and figure out what a stay at home mom/dad would earn if it were a paying job. They took into account all the jobs (cleaning, laundry, driving etc.) as well as the number of hours put in over the year. They calcualted that the salary would be around $125,000 per year.
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@arpita_onlinejob (508)
• India
11 Jan 07
uhhh!!!! its so true we work hard than men and earn nothing. does going out and working is working? i have done my mba with a distinstion, got pregnent in final semester now i have three months old son and my family wants me to stay at home to take care of him for another 2years atleast. i love my son but i have to give account of the money i spend. when i was earning i neve r gave account to anybody. feels bad.
somebody here said where will the money come from? i feel it shouls be from husbands salary hahaha
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@pumpkinjam (8742)
• United Kingdom
16 Jan 07
I agree with you. I'm glad I've seen this question. There was a bit of a raucus a while ago on here with a similar question. I've stayed home with my kids for 7 years and I plan on staying home for at least another 6 months (then my youngest will be two) but even then I might decide that he's not ready and wait until he's 3 and will be at nursery. You are so right. Mothers aren't appreciated by society. People with come up with the "tax" argument about "why should WE pay for YOU to stay home?" They apparently don't realise that some people have partners who work and pay tax and that most mothers have paid and/or will pay tax when they don't have to look after their children. It is a fact that mum is the best carer for children whether people like it or not. Motherhood should be truly recognised as an important and necessary job. As you say, some of us have to bring up the next generation to look after the next pensioners, and the rest of the world. Some people seem to think that just because you care enough about your children to actually bother to look after them yourself that your children will grow up to not work and be on benefits or something. Obviously they are the kind of people who either have no children or have never looked after them properly otherwise they would know how hard we work. I would never encourage my kids to not even try getting a job, I don't understand the idea of thinking that you have to work to make your kids work. For generations, women looked after their own children but their children still worked. I know my nan brought up 5 children, they all ended up working, all in completely different kinds of jobs, and they in turn had children, who they looked after but still they grew up to have good jobs, and so on and so forth, so I don't know how anyone can say that looking after your own children will make them think you don't have to work at all.
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@pumpkinjam (8742)
• United Kingdom
16 Jan 07
As for the equality thing, I have looked for jobs which could fit around my kids and there is no such thing. I've worked part time when I could while my oldest child was at nursery or when I could work at night. But now, there is nothing. I can't work around my partner because of the type of job he does, and I'm not going to leave my kids in creches and aferschool clubs, apart from it not being the best thing for them, it would cost me more to send them there than I could earn. I had a look at all sorts of part time jobs and the only ones I have seen that I could do were either too far away or wanted at least 2 years experience. I think there are some places now which do consider the fact that you have been bringing up children and there are even one or two who take motherhood as being experience for certain jobs, but I haven't found any of those places!
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@ItTakesAllSorts (4096)
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17 Jan 07
Thanks for such an accurate statement. You understand why we as mothers do feel under valued and not left with the oppotunities once our kids have grown up.
If we have got partners who pay tax, we as mothers are not allowed to claim any benefits, so we are not feeding off the state, but are penalised when it comes to getting a decent pension.
I hope those who disagreed with this discussion or did not fully grasp it take time to read your response.
Thanks alot!!! +
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@firemansgirl001 (916)
• United States
10 Jan 07
I totally agree. I am a stay at home mom, and trying to get back into the workplace is hard. I was making a lot of money, and now returning after 3 yrs off, I wont make squat, not to mention the huge gap in my resume.
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@ItTakesAllSorts (4096)
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10 Jan 07
It's certainly a man's world!!!
Good luck in your carer!
Thanks for your response.
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@sylvrrain (659)
• United States
16 Jan 07
I stopped working to be a stay at home mom. I found out that some employers don't mind the "gap" in the resume. (12 years) It has never been an issue. Granted, I did have to start at the bottom, but I moved up quickly because I had taken classes at night just to keep my brain active. (and to get a breather from the kids). I do not make anywhere near the money a "career mom" makes, but I was paid by being there for my children at all times. That was most important to me and I do not regret it. Now that my children are grown, I still have plenty of time to start a career, build my portfolio, manage my investments and retire comfortably. If I play my cards right, I may never even need Social Security.
@Kscott (634)
• United States
11 Jan 07
Oh I so totally agree, we are looked at differently. I have been a stay at home mom for 3 consecutive years, before that I worked on and off....but recently I have been applying for jobs, going to interviews, and when asked what I have been doing for the last 3 years (since my last job), I tell them I've been a stay at home mom, taking care of, raising my babies, and running my household....i then get this look like..."so you've been doing nothing", I hate this behavior....like heck I'be been doing nothing.....it hard to manage 6 people, keep everyone happy, and busy, and make dinner on time (meeting deadlines), answering the phone 100 times a day to play secretary for my household, I have to referee about 5 fights a day, play school teacher at various times, activity coordinator, dishwasher, chef, etc.....do I need to say more.....all the while multi-tasking out the wazoo, and basically a jack of all trades, a master at some! It's unfair, and I for one would like to stand up and do something about it....but I dont know where to start!! I think that being a stay a home mom is a wonderful rewarding experience....and those who turn their nose down on it or look and treat us different are just jealous because they cant do it, or pull it off.....PAT YOURSELF, AND ALL THE 'MY LOT STAY AT HOME MOMS MEMBERS ON THE BACK
WE ARE DOING A GOOD JOB.....KEEP IT UP.....YOUR REWARD IS IN YOUR HAPPY FAMILY'S FACES....!!!
@ItTakesAllSorts (4096)
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11 Jan 07
You said it all!!!
Thanks for such an intelligent and thought provoking statement for all those who think SAHM do nothing.
Cheers!!!
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@simplechic (200)
• United States
11 Jan 07
You have a good point regarding this matter. I was a very succesful saleswoman for a big company before I got pregnant. I left when I was 7 months pregnant due to complications. I, of course, started thinking about our future and whatnot provided that I wanted to stay at home with my baby. But after 2 and a half months I went back to work...but I just couldn't handle it. It was a feeling of loss and it was heartbreaking leaving her at my sister's (thank God for my sister) because when I got home or went to pick her up, her eyes lit up when she saw me and she got all excited and I used to cry so much. After a couple of months I decided to quit. I did nothing for the next 2 months and then I told my husband that I wanted to work from home...and now I have my homebased business and an online store selling crafts ,homemade body products , etc.
I think that since we don't get paid for bringing up our kids, we might as well take matters into our own hands instead of waiting for the worst to happen. I also agree with mkirby624 to some extent. My advise to stay at home moms is to look up on what is selling good online and locally. You can start by making your own scrapbooking foam stickers. All you need are sheets of foam which sell for less than a dollar at Walmart, a pencil, an exacto knife or scissors and that's it. You can raise a bit of money to buy some soap base and make your own soaps,etc. You could knit, sew...whatever!!! Or just get the junk from your attic and sell them on eBay!!! Just because you're a stay at home mom it doesn't mean that you can't work. My business has been growing pretty good and I'm planning on adding more things to my inventory. I help my husband pay our medical plan, bills and I put away money for myself and in my daughter's account. I wish you and ALL stay at home moms the best and I hope that this gives you the inspiration to start your own business. I started with less than $50.00 so you can,too. No matter your age!!! Take care!!!!
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@simplechic (200)
• United States
11 Jan 07
Thank you so much,lol. I'm flattered. I'm really glad that you found this post inspiring. I hope many women find this inspiring as well. A round of applause for all STAY AT HOME MOMS!!!!!
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@ItTakesAllSorts (4096)
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11 Jan 07
Thanks for that inspiring suggestion.
I have enjoyed reading all the different comments. It has been an eye opener.
Thanks for your response. You are a valid friend!!!
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@achipbako (16)
• Malaysia
10 Jan 07
My friend, I think your paradigma is not quite right. Before you mention all those, consider this... a husband should be reponsible to look after all the needs (I repeat needs) of the family as a whole and a wife is responsible for the household (i.e children - their safety, education, health, etc). Without being paid, your contribution towards the family is tremendous. In short, a husband is only resposible for the money. Where as you as the wife is resposible for the welfare, economics, food, upbringing of your children, etc......is'nt that noble enough. You cannot measure you contribution in terms of dollars and cents. Although you require some for yourself...ask your husband then. God has Created us to be in different genders to be responsible on different things. You cannot do a man's job neither could he. Love is more important than money. Your love for the children and the family is invaluable. Normally a husband pleases when he comes home from a tiring day at work to see a smiling wife waiting for him. And as forthe children, when they come back from school or college, they will always see you at home. And normally children will be closer to the mother than the father. In my religion, the paradise is under the feet of a mother. Please think carefully, how a mother like you are 'placed' - very nobaly. So much so that, if a person wishes to bea entered to paradise, than he should respect (all aspects) the mother. This is just a thought.
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@ItTakesAllSorts (4096)
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10 Jan 07
achipbako, I have the upmost respect for women who stay at home. However, you do paint a rosy picture of a womens life who stays at home. What happens if the marriage does not work and a woman is left financially insecure and needs to get a job. Or once the children have grown up and the woman now wants to go back to work, what is there for her to do, but alot of the menial jobs.
Some women have no control over their husbands finances and to always have to ask for money or be left short when bringing up a family is a tough life.
I know, my mum had to struggle because of this for years.
Thanks for your thoughts, I enjoyed reading them.
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@binacheri14 (299)
• United States
10 Jan 07
And what an awsome thought it is. I wish the world could accept this. It feels like a mother is wrong for staying at home because she should "play her part" in the working world. And if she goes to work she is wrong for letting someone else look after here children (and paying them for it) Your "thought" was very inspiring and I'm glad to have come across it.
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@shywolf (4514)
• United States
10 Jan 07
You're right. It isn't fair that you stayed home to help raise your children to become good workers and good people, and now you are being penalized for it by not being eligable for your full state pension. That is just wrong. I don't know how it could be set up for stay at home moms to receive some compensation, but at the very least they should be eligable for their pensions! Really, you did such a wonderful service by staying home and truly parenting your kids! I despair at all of the bad parenting that is going on in this day and age where kids are just sat in front of the tv and videogames, as if this is going to teach them to be good people and teach them right and wrong.. I think not. I applaud you for staying home with your kids, and I hope that you can find some solution to the money issues.
@mkirby624 (1598)
• United States
11 Jan 07
You're right, you do have to realize that YOU made the decision to stay home and now won't receive pension. But you should have known that when you went home. And if you realize that...then why did you start a discussing being furious about it.
I realize that if no one has kids then there are no future employees to pay for most people's pensions, but you don't have to stay at home with your children in order for them to be an employee in the future. Besides, I pay into my retirement monthly...I'm putting into the system. That's the only way you get anything out of it.
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@ItTakesAllSorts (4096)
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10 Jan 07
Thank you for your kind and thoughtful words to all us mothers out there who have put our children first.
Cheers!!!
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@ItTakesAllSorts (4096)
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10 Jan 07
You have missed the point.
Its about not being recognised for what we do because we will not be given a full pension when we retire and just having the option of menial jobs when we do go back to work.
Do you honestly think this is fair.
If we didn't have children there would be no one to pay your pension when you get old.
I have never ever blamed my kids for anything. I was poor when I brought my kids up but I would never have done it differently.
But now I have to realise that because I made this choice, when it comes to retiring I may not recieve a full pension.
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@cjsmom (1423)
• United States
11 Jan 07
I most definitely feel the same way. I have an Autistic son, Cj, who is 8 and I spend 24/7 with him, except when he's at school. I teach him at home as well so that he gets A's and B's. So, if you think about it, I'm a mother and a full fledged teacher of knowledge.
I wonder if enough women got together, we couldn't go to Congress, or wherever we have to go, to get a law passed to have government or whomever pay us a large salary for raising, as you say, the next generation. Do you think that would be possible?
I would fight for it if there's a way and I know every mother in the world would as well if given the opportunity.
Wonder how you would find out about something like that?
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@ItTakesAllSorts (4096)
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12 Jan 07
You are so right. We are constantly being told that parents should take responsibility for their childrens education. More children today are failing in education because of poor teaching skills and many children are living without the security of having their mother there to look after them as they need to work to afford to live.
Those of us who have stayed at home have given our children a better start in life.
Maybe they should start penalising the crap teachers and education system that now exists.
Maybe we should start our own mothers for equality movement and not let us be treated the way we are. Especially parents of kids with disabilities who constantly have to fight the system.
You sound like a great mum. I work with kids who are autistic and their parents are faced with many hardships.
Much respect to you!!!
Thank you for such wise and thoughtful words.
I will be with you when women stand up and fight this inequality!!!
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@cjsmom (1423)
• United States
23 Jan 07
Thank you for your support and for the best response! Sorry it's took me so long to see your response to me; been busy with CJ, etc.
I sure do wish they could penalise the teachers and the system...not saying that there aren't great teachers out there but even the teachers that want to be good and help our children can't because of the 'system'. They keep saying there isn't enough monies..! PLEASE! Give me a break. It's going into 'pockets'...
Starting our own 'Mothers for Equality'...oh, that sounds so nice. Wish I could figure out how to do it. If you have any suggestions or where I could go to find out what's needed; we could start it together...Wouldn't that be cool..! LOL
Thanks again, so much.
@cognigen (121)
• Mexico
11 Jan 07
Your post makes me angry. My wife and I are both stay at
home parents. We don't get any handouts from any government,
and we suffer an enormous tax burden. Why should we, as
taxpayers, pay you for doing as we do?
YOU made the decision, knowing all of the economic consequences
of your decision to do the right thing by your children. That
does NOT obligate me to pay you a salary or a pension.
Are you suggesting that your husband should be paying this
salary and pension, or is it the taxpayers? If you were in
the workforce, it would be a different matter, because you
would be financing your salary and pension with the profits
generated from your labor.
In what way do you feel you are being exploited and by whom?
Is it your husband that is exploiting you? Did he FORCE you
to be the one to stay with the children? Of course, you both
knew in advance most of the economic implications of your
decision -- and it seems ironic that you would now be complaining
of the inevitable consequences of your decision.
Yes, in some cases women are paid less; but in MOST countries
now, women and men are paid the same amount if they do the
same job. My sister, for example, is a lawyer, and her fees
are as high or higher than any than those of any male lawyer
in her field, because she is exceptionally good.
LIFE is not fair, Ms ItTakesAllSorts! Get used to it!
You COULD have made the decision to abandon your children
to daycare if you valued money more than you value your
children, but you did the right thing. In a sense, the fact
that you did the right thing should be it's own reward.
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@rosey3223 (1566)
• United States
11 Jan 07
GEE, could you have been any more RUDE??? It was just a question, not a reason to get your panties in a bunch!!
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@ItTakesAllSorts (4096)
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12 Jan 07
Cognigen
You again have missed the point of the discussion because you are too egocentrical about your own plight in life. Please read the whole thing!!
I do go out to work now and am paying taxes towards parents who stay at home, which I am proud to do if it allows them to have the oppotunity to rear children who have respect.
Thats not the point though.
I raised my family, have contributed to having children that will pay many peoples pension when they are old. But my point is, why should I not have the same rights as anyone else once I start work again.
My pension is crap compared to others because I have been penalised as a SAHM.
Why do people get so angry and attack me as a mother.
If I valued money more than my children I wouldn't have even put this on as a discussion!!
I am just glad to hear so many womens comments on this discussion that have intellectual answers and responses that make sense.
I just hope you are as compassionate with other topics where we are totally exploited and your taxes are wasted on so much more than ever having the respect to support a SAHM or in your case both of you!!!
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@ItTakesAllSorts (4096)
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12 Jan 07
Thank you Rosey3223
You know what respect is and listening to someones view, which is all it is, without having to attack the person!
Cheers!!!
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@princess07031980 (5412)
• United States
10 Jan 07
Yes, I do although I am working now. I lost over 4 years on the workforce taking care of my babies when they were young. I did all the home making tasks, took my kids to school and was active in their preschools, etc. My day was definitely full! It would have been nice to have some compensation, or to at least have the clock ticking toward a good retirement. Anymore, bbies are placed in childcare as very young infants, right after the mother's maternity leave is expired. I think maternity leave should be stretched until the baby is a minimum of 18 months old. This country needs to slow down!!
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@ItTakesAllSorts (4096)
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10 Jan 07
Too true. We get a minimum maternity leave and the pressure for so many women to go back to work afterwards is a tough decision for alot of them.
I have a friend who has started a new job and she has to wait 2 years before she is entitled to maternity leave.
Thanks for your response.
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@Lovely_Lady (1523)
• United States
11 Jan 07
I do agree with you about your discussion. But people should realize that work at home is much more work than going to a regular job. Plus no days off or vacation. No holiday... nothing. Know what I mean? We live and work our butts off to raise our kids and we deserve better. If we're just going to suffer than I don't think we're being treated fairly here.
@ItTakesAllSorts (4096)
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11 Jan 07
Thats so true. My partner is self employed and has to go where the money is, even if this means missing out on holidays!
Thanks for your intelligent words!!
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@ESKARENA1 (18261)
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10 Jan 07
i think anyone who brings up children should be paid by the state for doing it, afterall they are bringing up the next generation of workers.
Women are penalised for staying at home because the state in just about every country on earth has been allowed to get away with it for so long, they now sell it as normal or natural, its just another lie, nothing more nothing less
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@cindyspassions (510)
• Lampe, Missouri
10 Jan 07
i agree. i have 3 kids and they are 2, 4, and 6 years old so i have a few more years before i can go back to work. i think that stay at home moms should get a government check every week or two weeks. i don't care it is is only $200 - $300 that is way more then what we get now. and your right it is like we are being penalised for raising our childeren. sucks really dose suck.
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@ItTakesAllSorts (4096)
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10 Jan 07
Your points are so true!!!
Thanks for responding.
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@AskAlly (3625)
• Canada
11 Jan 07
They don't pay us because they can't afford us.. where else to you get service 24/7? Imagine the overtime they would have to pay?
There were days when I would have gladly gone to work for 8-10 hours just to have a rest.
More accout should be given to stay at home moms, and like you I can't figure it out. I'm sure it would be a nice little financial bonus for alot of families
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@ItTakesAllSorts (4096)
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12 Jan 07
Thanks, well said.
If we could put in for overtime the world would go bankrupt.
Just give mums the respect they deserve and the chance to make it in the workforce once we have raised our kids!!
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@skittles46 (388)
• United States
11 Jan 07
While I mostly agree with this discussion, I have to point out that this is not discrimination against women, its against stay at home parents as a whole. My husband was home with our daughter for 3 years, and now has had trouble getting the job he wants due to the gap in his work history.
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@ItTakesAllSorts (4096)
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12 Jan 07
I agree and I have mentioned that men are included.
Why should anyone be penalised when they have made such a sacrifice.
I applaude your husband. Wish more were like him!!
Thanks!!!!
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