When you see an ugly girl or woman , does that make you sad ?

@shogunly (1397)
Libya
January 19, 2007 7:58pm CST
Ever felt indignation at the unfairness of the world when you see a girl or woman who is ugly and fat and cant get dates or married ? For men , its easier because they can always pay for it , physical beauty is not that important . but for women ? especially when you see an ugly girl being cruelly harassed by other "pretty" girls/women ?
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15 responses
• United States
22 Jan 07
I'm not sure you can tell immediately by looking at someone if they can or cannot get dates. Perfect example, many stars will comment that they are "single" and not by choice... yet they are gorgeous. You sit and think "yeah, right any man or woman would kill to go out with you cuz you're gorgeous" but reality is being gorgeous isn't always as wonderful as people think either. With just good looks going for them and people not caring or taking the time to see the real person, you often wonder how many are asking you out just because they want to conquer a hottie? As for ugly and fat, while perhaps some may not have a line knocking at their door I do believe that there are people out there that can and do get past the outter looks. While they may not be AS quick to get a date, sometimes it's not like they just sit at home being ugly! lol As for the difference between men and women. It frustrates me all the time. You will even see it on tv. "Large" men aren't nearly as quickly judged and even seen more so on tv. Look at the "real life" shows... I cannot say I've ever seen a fat woman, but I can think of at least 3 that I've seen a fat man. (not counting the biggest loser! LOL). So it is frustrating as a woman to see the different standards.
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@sunsham68 (1376)
• India
29 Jan 07
yeah I too really liked your take hockeygal. But to disagree with the post above - though you make a valid point, the cure is not for everyone to be beautiful or to seek potentially dangerous/ expensive alternatives like plastic surgery/ over done make up and such, but for people to keep looking for inner beauty and personal qualities instead of surface trivia.
@shogunly (1397)
• Libya
22 Jan 07
thank you for a heartfelt well-argued answer , rated ! a lot of the other posters replied with cliches like "love is on the inside" ,like I was the one doing the judging while all I really do is comment on REALITY . One factor that would make my point clearer that I failed to mention is that I live in an Islamic society where there is NO SUCH THING as dating (no legitimate dating at least) , women who can expect to be satisfied sexually are of two types:- 1. those who get married ,whether because they are attractive or not 2. those who are SO attractive they are worth men risking their reputations to be with them ,consummating a relationship that would destroy either of them , socially as well as legally , if it ever came to be known by the public. So being "ugly" (its not a word I prefer but it makes the point) most of the time for women means a sentence of life-long ABSTINENCE . I myself have been COMPLETLY abstinent to this point in my life of my own volition because of my religion and belief system ,(BELIEVE ME its not from lack of opportunity or offers) so I can appreciate the TORMENT and DESPAIR a person must feel when DENIED a legitimate way to satisfy that basic ,essential human need .
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• United States
31 Jan 07
shogunly, Is what you have said really true of every aspect of Islamic culture where you live? If so are we to assume that you have seen every aspect of the Islamic culture where you live? If that is so then you must not only be a part of this culture but also a super-expert on it. And, then since you are an expert could you suggest what these ugly women can do to improve their situation?
@moneyseeker (1024)
20 Jan 07
I think it's a little shallow to think that all that matters is the way someone looks. It's who we are that is important not our appearance. Why should women be thought of in any way differently to men?
@aidonia (4209)
• Greece
20 Jan 07
It is too bad but not for the people that are ugly.The bad is and i fell sorry for them for those ones that harassed and laugh at them.Those are THE UGLY people.They have the ugliness insite of them and this is something not even a plastic sergion can fix it.
@bhu143 (525)
• India
20 Jan 07
i wount feel sad rather than that i make friends with them make them happy
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@fake_you (391)
• Philippines
23 Jan 07
i'd also do the same thing. we're all created by God, and that's what matters. i'll make her my friend too.
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@sindai (204)
• Canada
20 Jan 07
No it does not. There are just as many men that are fat and ugly and can't get dates. Even if they have money! If they get a beautiful girl, then she's a gold digger. And there are just as many beautiful men and women that can't get dates either. Yes it is cruel that there are people out there that make quick judgements and laugh at the "unpretty" people, but you know what? In my eyes, that makes them the ugly ones.
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@rein2410 (809)
• Australia
20 Jan 07
no way. Why would I be sad? Firsly, if everyone in the world is beautiful. the world beautiful and ugly would not exist and we cannot diffrentiate (just like evil and goodness) secondly, whats more important is not the physical beauty but the inner beauty. Inner beauty can change without spending money like many people operate their face to become more beautifu. So I would not be sad
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@ritak3 (52)
• India
20 Jan 07
i really feel bad. but infact there is just not looks of a girl but the beauty can be identified by the girl's behaviour not the ugly look. and well said physical beauty is not important but the inner beauty is really really important. i have come accross many girls they dont look good but got good height. i am one example of it. i look good with good figure and good face but i dont have height. but it doesnt mean that people should stop looking at me. i have my own identity. where ever i go i have my own identity not like a normal person but much better then them.
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@MySpot (2600)
• United States
31 Jan 07
Personally, I think that a person's true character is the best measurement of 'attractiveness'. A physically attractive person may seem less attractive if they are mean, arrogant or selfish... just as a less attractive person may eminate beauty because they are loving, compassionate and giving.... I'm basically saying, "Ugly is as Ugly Does". That's why your last question is rather confusing for me... A person who would harass someone simply because they aren't outwardly as attractive is the UGLY ONE, not "pretty"! I'm not sure I agree with the double-standard either.
@delaney36 (817)
• Philippines
22 Jan 07
doesn't makes me sad at all. Physical beauty is not important for me. What is in the heart is the most important thing in a person.
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• United States
22 Jan 07
Totally agree - if someone is physically attractive but has an ugly heart then they are ugly.
• United States
22 Jan 07
Beauty is a subjective factor that society treats as they should objective factors. An objective factor to is that someone has more or less knowledge of a subject, more or less skill at a subject than someone else. This is consider objective because it can be accurately measured in a way that others can have an accurate agreement upon. You "can" test whether or not someone is a faster runner or more skillful at a particular martial art. People can agree upon the terms of the test to measure such factors and thus agree on why someone is better or worse. The values that make it objective in my opinion are measurable value that can be agreed upon, that the thing being measured can not easily be changed based on a person perspective. A certain quantity of spilled paint remains the same quantity of spilled paint regardless of your opinion. And that the values being measure or described remain there whether you are there or not. We don't know if the tree really makes a sound if you are gone, but I'm pretty sure that the tree and forest will be there when you come back, thus it is an objective fact that the tree exists, then others can agree upon this as well, and the tree remains as it is regardless of your opinion of it. Now how pretty the tree is changes a bit from person to person, whether the tree is likable or not changes from person to person, and even if the tree is getting in the way or not is subjective as many may disagree on this. Now these things bring into question deeper matters of the nature of reality itself and then the whole equation falls apart. But, for ease of communication and since your question doesn't seem to imply interest in metaphysical matters I've stuck to the basics that most people can agree upon. And, that is that some things are more objective than others. A subjective factor would be human beauty or human tastes, and opinions. I can say that I hate this pencil but that doesn't make the pencil universally bad or disagreeable. I can say that Jen is ugly but that does not make her universally ugly. Popular consent may be that Jen is ugly but there will still be some who do not see her that way. Jen may have a harder time getting a job, but there will be some people who are more likely to hire her because she isn't beautiful like everyone else. Her odds may have decreased in one way but increased in another. When one door closes another one is sure to open. All of our weaknesses also give way to strengths. That being said what makes these people have trouble getting jobs, and a husband is "your" own opinion. You perpetuate the cycle. I'm not saying that you carry these opinions. But, anyone who does allow themselves to carry these opinions is in agreement and thus contributing to the problem. Not contributing any more will not end the cycle but it will lessen the problem by some small degree. Do I feel sad, no because we are all born into this world, and we either accept what we are dealt or do something improve things. And, i can not change the genetic structure of those who are considered ugly. I can choose to see the beauty in that person. That is how subjectivity works for every bit of ugly there is an equal dose of beauty it is just a question of you making the effort to see the other end of the spectrum. Doing such is hard as it requires you to go against your social conditioning but is in every way worth it.
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@shogunly (1397)
• Libya
22 Jan 07
thank you for devoting so much effort to explain the difference between "subjective" and "objective" Do you think you could have been a little more "objective" or focused on the real issue in the discussion ? What has this discussion got to do with the metaphysical ?
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• United States
23 Jan 07
Absolutely nothing, and that is why as I stated I did not talk about the metaphysical. I steered far clear of that aspect of the issue. Was there something you misunderstood in my post? My point in clearing up the difference between subjective and objective was stated as an attempt to help you see that you are asking a subjective question. The point of making that point is that if you are asking a subjective question than you are going to have a subjective answer. Such an answer is not going to gleam "truth" for you. Based on the wording in your question I determined you were looking for an objective answer. People confuse the subjective issue of appearance with objectivity. We value one another based on whether or not we are beautiful or not. My point is that we should not value one another based on a subjective issue of their appearance. I also state that though people do judge unfairly based on subjective criteria I do not feel bad for those who are judged in such a way. I have been judged in such a way most of my life but I know that the judgments are not based on valuable facts. Thus not being based on valuable facts I can let such judgments role over my shoulders. Then I proceed to produce for others real value of an objective nature. If a boss does not like me because I am ugly I can improve the quality of my work and make sure my boss sees what I have done. If this does not work I can discuss the issue with my boss and point out the value of my work. If this does not work there are other possible options or I can just find another job. Does that clear up the confusion? ps: to reiterate, I have not discussed anything metaphysical and if you check my posts again you will see I did address the topic of discussion.
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• United States
23 Jan 07
Further your wording could imply that you view physical appearance to be an objective issue. I say this because you ask about ugly as if everyone automatically knows what your definition of ugly is. Could you put to words for me what you mean by ugly?
@coffeechat (1961)
• New Zealand
2 Feb 07
Are you suggesting that women harass other women who they think are ugly? Unlikely in my experience. This post stems from a deep misunderstanding of women. The most beautiful women - at the highest level of society glamour surround themselves with beautiful and attractive women. (Heard the expression? - birds of a feather.... flock together) Abstinent men (as said earlier in the thread) such as Roman Catholic priests may theorize and postulate about how women deal with each other, and they are usually wrong. Distribution, by defenition is not fair. Some get more, others get less. Not just looks, but also brains, logic, religion, money. So what is this indignation all about? Do people need to be self-appointed abstinent indignants? No profit eh?
• Indonesia
21 Jan 07
i believes that every God's creation is beautiful. Fat and ugly is just conditions. I'll share you some secrets about my personal life ... everytime i make relationship with some girl, i never meet her before, just know her through chatting (it's been 4 times). i've had some tragic experience about that, that changed me, since then i never judge book only by its cover. I don't really care about physical conditions. It's the inner beauty that i fall in love with.
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@vityota (878)
• India
21 Jan 07
see i feel no girl is beautiful or ugly it all lies in the inner beauty and not the outer beauty... we should not feel sad and should try to become their frnd and boost their confidence
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
20 Jan 07
I'm not buying the "ugly" idea. Every single woman I can think of that I think of as "ugly", I've heard someone else say is attractive in some way. And I know some seriously less than attractive people that are married or in long term relationships. And if you know anyone who doesn't get harassed by someone for something, I'm surprised.
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@Laydee83 (275)
• Atlanta, Georgia
1 Feb 07
Trust me, I am NOT shallow. But I think of it this way... You know how people say when they are obese or unattractive and so one? They say that it is something they can't control. BULLS***! They can control it. I was 200+lbs. I was unhappy, unattractive and miserable. I fixed it. I'm beautiful now. And why? Not cause I couldn't do anything about it but because I could do EVERYTHING about it. I don't feel sad or bad or sorry for anyone. You want to look and feel better...do something about it!
• United States
22 Jan 07
Everyone is beautiful in their own way!! I don't feel sad for someone who I don't think is pretty because someone in the world thinks she is beautiful. I feel sad for people who think that men don't have to be physically attractive but women do. Why have a double standard??