Do you believe that Jesus is God?
By 5berries
@5berries (120)
United States
27 responses
@theclix (18)
• India
23 Jan 07
in sri guru granth sahib its mentioned the defination of god ie " god is one , truth,originator of world, fearless, has no enemy,has no shape & size,has its own power,we can feel him with his blessings" so jesus was a apostle of god with powers of god
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@ipissakusina (930)
• United States
24 Jan 07
Jesus is SOn of God. he often talk about his Father, that his father has to be worshipped and praised. the scriptures also tells us that he is the first in creation, that God himself created him, a servant of God, a faithful witness, a God's representative, an anointed king of God (that's the very meaning of "Mesaiah"; annointed one) and the Word of God.
i can give the scriptures if you would ask. =:)
@5berries (120)
• United States
25 Jan 07
But my children are created from me. also, you do not have to give birth to a child for them to be your child. The way I learned is that Michael (name meaning 'who is like God') was the first made of all creation. He was there when God created the Earth. they did it together. Michael was the one who threw Satan to the Earth. When it came time for the Savior to come, it was Michael who fulfilled that role. He ceased to be Michael and is now Jesus. Notice he is not mentioned in the Bible after Jesus' time. For one who had such status, don't you find that weird? But it isn't so weird that God used his most trusted for such an important task, the one who was with Him in the beginning.
Also, he was not God's Son until he was concieved, thus His only Begotten (concieved) Son. There are too many Scriptures where Jesus points us to the direction of his Father for them to the same person. How could God forsake him in those last moments if he was God?
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@Shaibor (60)
• India
24 Jan 07
few words to interferre in this perception.if you consider Jesus is the Son of God and God is his Father only then i doubt the next statement which you made that he is the first in creation that God created.becoz you can called him a son when you create.same too with God.a serveant cannot be Son and vice versa.Jesus csnnot be god's creation as you said and at the same time a God's representative.a representaive should be equivalent to the one whom he is representing.and i leave it to you to think about it.i personallly believe that he is God himself humiliated before his father to come to this dying world as a representative and a faithful servant to save the world until he finised his task where now he roseback to everlsating life in power and Dominion with God in heaven.
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@dexterous21 (1180)
• Philippines
23 Jan 07
In my opinion Jesus is the Son of God and the son of man. I consider only one God and that is the Father. He often speaks about his father because no one ever seen God before and I think he is a representation. For me, He is a Savior and a Son of God but not the God.
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@morsefaria (122)
• India
23 Jan 07
I believe that jesus was a form of God a person who could be one with God when on earth
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@desiplaya2563 (76)
• Canada
28 Jan 07
I would like to especially ask people who believe that Jesus is God, to please quote from the Holy Bible because that is the foundation of Christianity. Please do quote and I think we should reason with each other whether Jesus claimed to be God or not.
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@5berries (120)
• United States
23 Jan 07
No, he never said he was God, but I do not think that anyone is equal to God. You will never be as old as your parents. If we had eternal life and good health the way God meant it to be, then we would never be able to know as much as our parents, they would always be ahead. So how could we be equal to God.
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@goldenboy20 (555)
• Philippines
24 Jan 07
1. For me, and for the bible, i believe that Jesus is God. You want me to prove you? Before i prove it, i will emphasize first that the Bible is the word of God, Fully inspired by God, inerrant and infallible, without error and without contradiction. If you agree with that, then i will go to second point.
2. In the bible, John 1:1 said, "In the beginning was the word. And the word was with God, and the word was God." This word that was talken about here in this verse was refer to Jesus Christ if you read until chapter 2. Jesus was the living word. If that is so, Jesus was actually a God. Not only that, He created all things, look at the verse three of John chapter one. This verse said, "All things were made by him (Christ) and without him there was no thing that was created." Emphatically Jesus is not merely a human, nor a prophet, nor a teacher, but He is God. I agree with you friend that Jesus is the Son of God, and that phrase also can be used in proving that Jesus is God. For example, the dog will bear a son, and the likeness of his son was also dog, not Cat. The mango tree will reproduce new creation and his product was also a tree. Therefore if Jesus was the SON of God, we can conclude that He is also a God. It is very logical right?
Martin luther believes it. John calvin believes it. Do you know this person? These persons was lived in reformation period. Martin luther was studying the Bible and he was found out that Jesus is also God. Do you know what kind of reasearch he had done? He translate the New Testament Bible from Greek to German language. Therefore i have the reason to qoute and based my beliefs on him because he has the quality of the study a person needs because he did not only study the bible but he translated it. So if He transtlated the bible from greek to German language, therefore he interprets accurately what he observed.
Another thing, the catholic church also believe this doctrine. If you read the revelation, last book of the New testament, you can see there that the person whom was called "The alpha and omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last, which was,which is, and which is to come, the almighty," was very emphatically referred to Jesus Christ. And another thing, that book also was trying to prove that Jesus is "The King of kings, and the Lord of Lords." Thats all for now, but i will prove more based on the scripture if you will response to my proposition. Thanks for that question my friend. God Bless.
@5berries (120)
• United States
25 Jan 07
In John 1:1, could that not mean that He was the first of all creation? When it says He was God, could it not mean he was like God? The the meaning of the name Michael, the first of God's creation? And he with God's power betrothed apon him, created the world? Like a King with his kingdom, giving his son a piece of land to rule over to learn how to govern.
When your talking about a dog giving birth to a dog, they are still different, one is the parent and one is the child. So Jesus being God's Son would not make Him God, it would make him a god. But that doesn't mean he is the God we should worship. God, the Father is the one who we speak to when we pray, that is why we are supposed to say 'in Jesus name', (John 14:6) otherwise what is the point? Also if you go on in John chapter one, verse 17 says that no man has seen God, if Jesus is God then there is a contradiction. and I do not believe the Bible contradicts itself, I think that the pieces of the puzzle are not put together right.
Exodus 33:20 also says that no man has seen God's face, for anyone who would see it would surely die.
We are to impure to be in God's presence. Our impurity would taint His purity and without that, we would cease to exist.
In Revelation, the verses you quoted do not say that he is God. They say he is the beginning and end, but that very well could mean the beginning of creation and the end of creation. King of kings only tells us that God has given him jurisdiction over the Earth.
When he was on the Earth, he made several references to worship his Father, not him.
John 14:28 'the Father is greater than I am.
Matthew 10:32 shows that while Jesus was on Earth, his Father was in heaven.
Ephesians 4:4-6 clearly puts God and Father together as one person, and seperates the Lord (Jesus)from that.
I take Jesus at his word when he says he is the Savior and that our relationship with God is through Him. He doesn't say that we should worship him but his Father.
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@goldenboy20 (555)
• Philippines
25 Jan 07
My friend, are you afraid? I challenge you to argue with me in this kind of friendly discussion. I see all the comment in this discussion corner of yours but as i saw, only me was not being commented. If you are not afraid in defending your faith to me, then prove it myfriend. I will prove, and theologically prove, based from the scripture which is the Word of God that Jesus, The Son of God, was truly The God. I am just only qouting some verses to prove to you, but there are a lot of verses which i can use from the scriptures that truly, Jesus is the God of this world. I challenge you my friend in a friendly kind of debate. I very respect your faith, but what i am trying to point out is this, sometimes we need to discuss, but not all the times, in order to know the truth, am i right? I challenge you my friend. Thanks a lot. good luck.
@mobyfriend (1017)
• Netherlands
25 Jan 07
I believe that God is Spirit and that the Spirit is Love and that the blueprint of God is Jesus. So I belief that in spirit Jesus has the same quality as His father which is love.
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@ComplexMind (37)
• United States
24 Jan 07
There is no right/wrong answer here for nothing can be proven one way or another. But how I square it up in my mind is that Jesus was the embodiment of all of the good that God represents.
Love, patience, empathy, compassion, & giving.
From this perspective it is not necessary to even believe that God exists at all, or that Jesus was a miracle man from above to appreciate the capacity of the human spirit to maximize such postive qualities.
@5berries (120)
• United States
25 Jan 07
I agree with you on the second sentence. But without God, love, patience, empathy, compassion, and giving would not exist. It is our figurative heart, the one within our spirit that feels these things. And since our spirit comes from God, without him, we would not exist.
@Only1Andrea (796)
• United States
26 Jan 07
Hi 5Berries
I believe that Jesus is God manifested in the flesh. According to 1 John 5:8 - And there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
I believe that God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are one, just manifested in three separate ways.
Take a piece of ice for example: there are three ways it can be manifested 1. ice 2. water and 3. vapor. Are they not all from the same ice cube?
Also in 1 Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godlines; God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed in the world, received up into glory.
I think that verse says it best.
Let me know what you think!
Take care and God bless.
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@5berries (120)
• United States
28 Jan 07
That is what it says. What about the idea that He is not physically God, instead His will and testament, His prove that He does exist. I can say that me and my husband are one. Genesis 2:24 says that man and woman will become one flesh. Does that mean we are the same people. No, we are a family, a unit that works together with the same common purpose and the same ideals. That does not mean we are the same person. We are one in love.
The same point with 1 Timothy. If you look at it literally, then that is what it says. But if you look at it as figurative, the whole idea changes. If you look at it as being One in Love or Purpose, they are still One.
It is nice to have someone who can use the Bible to explain themselves. It is hard to find people that don't want to get in your face and indoctrinate you. You replied very tastefully.
@Bbilal (1998)
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24 Jan 07
No hell no, Jesus christ is just a prophet of God, and God is only one which is ALLAH - which is in the 7th sky gauzing every one for his/her good deeds and bad deeds rather. I do believe in only one god that is ALLAH. Jesus is jus His prophet who came in this world and teaches what ALLAH said Him to teach.
@GnosticGoddess (5626)
• United States
27 Jan 07
No of course he's not God. He is the son of man and the son of God (as we are all sons & daughters of God). Jesus never said he was God and actually he spoke to God quite frequently and said that he was doing his Father's (referring to God)work. If he was God then why would he be talking out loud to himself for example. I'm not sure where or on what basis some Chritians started saying this.
@5berries (120)
• United States
28 Jan 07
I think if we look at things in a everyday logical way, things become a lot clearer. Like God talking to Himself. Either He was meaning to confuse us or we are getting the wrong lesson out of it.
Also it says in the King James version Psalms 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name ALONE is JEHOVAH, art the Most High over all the Earth.
That clearly states that God and Jesus are not the same. There is a Most High.
I think that some people may need that physical reference as prove to themselves that God exists. Almost no one on the Earth denies that Jesus was born and was a great man. Some Christians may cling to the thought of Jesus being God for fear of doubting or losing faith.
@urbandekay (18278)
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26 Jan 07
Hi,
Jesus says he is the Son of God but he also says we are all sons of God. He says he and the father are one but he also says the father is greater than the sun. Jesus's language is often metaphorical or allegorical, which what makes him such a rich speaker, a master of indirect communication. In a sense we are all God, we are all God's children. Certainly, scripture supports the believe that Jesus and God are different persons. Some argue that Jesus is physically a man possessed of the spirit of God or fully human and fully God. Personally I believe Jesus is immaculate, speaks with the authority of God, that when he say I and the father are one, he means the same as when he speaks to the apostles and says we are one. The words of Jesus therefore are the word of God.
all the best urban
@edujccz (929)
• Philippines
25 Jan 07
Jesus is God no doubt, no question. You of little faith will asked and its normal. God bless you just the same.
@5berries (120)
• United States
26 Jan 07
Just because I post a question to spark a discussion does not mean that I do not have faith. I have more faith than and education than most people that I know.
I think the point is mute anyways, as long as you love God with your whole heart, believe Christ is your Savior and you treat others with love, that is all that matters. Doctrines, beliefs, theories are just things that we use to explain our world. They are not going to have any merit when you stand before Him to be judged. You are judged by your heart, not your beliefs.
@UmmBinyamin (419)
• United States
27 Jan 07
Ok this is why i dont under stand if jesus is gods son rite how can he be god to there is no such thing are 2 gods and ALLAH is the only god so i dont know wat u people are worshi[ing but it aint god u are worshiping idols and thats all
@5berries (120)
• United States
28 Jan 07
If you are not going to add something constuctive to the discussion, don't reply. And don't judge us for our beliefs, we are not judging you. God is the one who gets to decide what is right and wrong.
God is love, not judgement. If you are a true believer in God, you would know that.
And when you write the word GOD and you are referring to Him, out of love and respect you are supposed to capitalize God, Him, He, etc.
