Paint

By Gabs
@gabs8513 (48686)
United Kingdom
January 24, 2007 8:31am CST
I want to know if we are being fooled when we buy PAINT I have bought some Satin Paint yesterday and I paid extra for it as it is one Coat So today I painted the Wardrobe and guess what it needs another Coat of Paint The Colour was darker then the previous so why has it not worked Last Year I was painting the Doors Non Drip Paint great well guess what it DRIPPED So are we being fooled just to pay more ?? I think I will just stick to normal Cheaper Paint lol
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@rainbow (6761)
24 Jan 07
Oh gabs, what can I say? ha-ha I have had one coat that has worked maybe you spread it too thin, lol. I have had non-drip that dripped too, but not with expensive brands, who knows some people are just better than others with paint. My dad used to say that my mum put paint on upside down so it always fell off.
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
24 Jan 07
Well I haven't done that yet lol
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25 Jan 07
put the paint on upside down ha ha,going have to remember that one.my dad once put my bedroom paper in the bathroom.my mum and i couldnt stop laughing
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
25 Jan 07
hahahaha yes my dearest Friend Rainbow is full of tricks and good advise to me like that lol she is Great
• United States
24 Jan 07
Sorry about the paint. Unfortunately I have noticed that many "New and Improved" items being sold are not any different from the original item. I just think the only thing new is the label.
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
24 Jan 07
Yes I think so to lol
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@shelagh77 (3643)
26 Jan 07
Well, Gabs, my Father used to call my Niagara because the paint used to stream down doors I painted in a fair imitation of a waterfall lol. The trick is to take the door off its hinges, lay it flat and paint that side and then turn it over then it is dry and paint the other side, apparently. Oh, and lock up the wildlife since a cat WILL print with its paw, great big ego in a little kitty lol. As with everything, sometimes the price is a trick, sometimes not, depending upon the ingredients in the tin,it really is pot luck, or tin pot luck, I am afraid.
@shelagh77 (3643)
27 Jan 07
You could go one better and only use really cheap, white "economy paint" and stain it to your own designer colour. The stainers are not very expensive and last for a lot of pots! I thought of that after i posted the last time :-)
@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
27 Jan 07
Well Blondie did that once and I guess I didn't mix it right and it came out patchy (red face) it looked quite cool actually I didn't notice till I had one wall done and my Son asked why it was patchy and of course he found it quite funny
@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
26 Jan 07
Well thanks lol I Will just stick to the Cheap stuff
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@forfein (2507)
26 Jan 07
Hi Gabs Isnt that annoying!! If they say it is "One Coat Paint" then it should be One Coat!!! If they say that it is "Non Drip" that is what it should be!!! Just a couple of years ago, it may be a bit more, I was reading in one of the Consumer Magazines about paint!! You will think that the "big boys" like Crown or Dulux for example would be top of the list!!!!!! NOPE!!!! Guess who had the top rating for the Best coverage of paint, in one coat, and non drip ............ Guess.................... WOOLWORTHS !!!!!!! Yep, I couldnt believe it myself!!!
@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
26 Jan 07
Hi Forfein first of all it is great to see you back I have not seen you for a while Yes I am suprised that Woolworth is at the top of the List I would have never thought that as you say we have these top Brands that we pay extra and then you have the Cheap brands that come Top It is unbelievable
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@wildguy2 (1349)
• Canada
26 Jan 07
Forfein, who makes the paint for Woolworth I wonder.... Usually any store like Walmart, Zellers, etc. that sell paint are selling for another company like CIL, Sherwin Williams Etc... For example I used to also work for Canadian Tire in my city, we sold CIL Premiere, Dutch Boy and Debbie Travis paint and before that Prat and Lambert, Martha Stewart and Premiere, just to name few. The first line of paint we carried was made by Sherwin Williams, the second line by CIL. I would laugh to myself when people would come in the store and tell me that Martha Stewart was the best paint they could get, and that they didn't like the Prat and Lambert paint or the Premier brands and that they were garbage, sad part was they were made by the same company at the time which was Sherwin Williams, they came from the same factory, same warehouse, and the only difference was the label that was applied, I even received a gallon onetime that had a premiere label stuck over the Martha Stewart label, this must have been a mistake at the factory. The only difference between the 2 brands of paint were 15.00 in price from one to the other....kinda shows that people do but for the name, and that if we were to remove the labels, 99% of the people wouldn't know the difference.
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
26 Jan 07
Wildguy Thank you so much for this and I will remember that for when I paint again thank you
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@TerryZ (22076)
• United States
24 Jan 07
I think your right we do get pulled in alot times by thought it will be great when I just have to put one coat of paint on. And it doesnt always work that way.So you then have to put another coat on it. I think I would try and return it so at least you can get your money back. But not untill you put that second coat on!
@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
24 Jan 07
hahahaha TerryZ I have just put the second coat on lol
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
24 Jan 07
Ok as long as you make Cookies I am on my Way will bring my help for breathing so I don't collaps lol
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@TerryZ (22076)
• United States
24 Jan 07
Good Job gabs, now do you want to come over I need some things painted too? Ill make you something good to eat.
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@kathy77 (7486)
• Australia
24 Jan 07
Oh yes I am quite sure that we are being fooled it sure sounds like it especially as it dripped, and we have to pay extra for this to happen and oh boy it is supposed to have only one paint but no they want us to use it all and then go back to buy more, what a waste of money so I do believe that it would be best to buy the cheaper paint.
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
24 Jan 07
Lol yes I agree with you there and I will not be spending extra Money again lol
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
25 Jan 07
Hey Wildguy I actually enjoy Painting lol but I am not suppose to do it and it is getting hard now to breathe lol when I paint so I really don't do it anymore My Son is Painter and Decorater but I would not let him do it lol
@wildguy2 (1349)
• Canada
25 Jan 07
There is an old saying we have in the paint business, by cheap and get a couple years at the most, buy expensive and it lasts a lot longer, so you can buy a gallon of cheap 15.99 paint and have to do it every year or maybe two, or buy and expensive paint say 29.99 and do it every 4 to 5 years, in the long run buying expensive saves you money, and nobody likes to paint so it also saves you a lot of time and headaches.
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@weemam (13372)
25 Jan 07
lol gabs we have both done a paint one . I got immulsion for my bedroom a 1 coat and it needed 3 so theres your answer , I will just go for the colour in future and ignore the rest lol . xx
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
25 Jan 07
hahahaha well never mind lol
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• United States
25 Jan 07
I absolutley agree with you!..I painted my bathroom walls and I also got the no drip..and it dripped//.and I needed2 coats as well and it was a light beige in there,,and the color was a darker gren..and i was soo mad!! I even called and complained to the company..they said they would send my money back to me if i sent the receipt..so i did..so next time maybe you can do that and get your money back as well..
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@wildguy2 (1349)
• Canada
25 Jan 07
Of the thousands of colors I have sold over the past 10 to 12 years of the paint business, beige is one of the hardest colors there is to choose. They're so many different shades that it is near impossible to pick the right one, I currently work for Home Hardware paint and any time a customer comes looking for a beige color, I give them a fan deck of beige's to take home with them. Beige color contains yellows, yellow oxide and white, BUT there is usually another color thrown in to offset the beige, these can be GREEN BLACK RED OR RAW UMBER, and the slightest of any of these colors will tint the paint to an off beige, Cloud Kicker this to me sounds like what happened to you, you may have got a beige color picked but it most likely had that little bit of green added and this is where it goes from beige on the chip to green on the wall, if you still have the paint can see if the formula label is on the top, look to see if any green was added to the formula. A true beige color will use a White Base as its mixer, then have a very small amount of Yellow some Yellow Oxide and depending on how dark the beige is will have either Black or Raw umber added. Next time you decide to have a beige color, pick the chip color out and ask the paint dealer to look the formula up for you, and get him to tell you what is in it, I do this every time I sell beige paint this way I can explain to the customer the effects the color will have on the wall when they get it home. One last thing about a beige color, it plays madness with lighting, it absorbs light as well as reflects it, so a good light is needed to achieve the best look with beige color, my personal chose when using beige is to have Daylight bulbs in the room where the beige is.
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@wildguy2 (1349)
• Canada
26 Jan 07
I am not sure actually what you mean, but the only time a wall needs sanding is: 1. if the wall has been previous painted with a glossy paint, this needs to be sanded and primed so that the topcoat will stick. 2. If painting a vanished or wood surface, the area has to be sanded and again primed, but this has to have a stain block primer applied as wood will bleed no matter what type of paint is applied, unless a tannin block primer is applied such as BIN. 3. Painting ceramic tiles or glass, the area has to be buffed with a 40 grit sanding pad or grinder, then a high adherent primer like BIN has to be applied to stick to the surface, then this can be top coated with a paint of your choice. All these areas listed should also be wiped down with a product called TSP "tri-sodium Phosphate" as this cleans the surface of all impurities and also adds a final sanding to the area, then this is wiped down with warm water, no soap. If a room takes 4 hours to paint, 3 of those hours should be for preparation, before painting.
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
25 Jan 07
ok wise we get it ya worked in a paint store and you have put alot of good answers in here thanks but I never read any one of these that asked did she sand first . If you are painting over something it will aways beed thru or take more coats
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• United States
26 Jan 07
You should bring it back to the store and ask them that question. It seems that nowadays, most places do not seem to be honest. They cut corners and charge more money.
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
26 Jan 07
Yes I know Margie I will just stick to my Cheap Paint now lol
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@kakuemmom (859)
• Canada
25 Jan 07
Did you paint directly over another color or did you do prime first sometimes the color below even if it is darker is a different kind of paint that can come through. If i am changing the color on anything i do i always do a white primer first just a thing coat it helps.
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@baysmummy (1637)
• Australia
24 Jan 07
I have noticed this alot not just to do with paint but everything, you pay extra money to get what they say is a better product and will save you more money and time, and it works out that it isnt any better then the cheaper versian of the same thing and it doesnt save you any money or any time!
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
25 Jan 07
Yes that is so true Baysmummy and annoying to
@rhinoboy (2129)
24 Jan 07
i can truly empathise! You normally get what you pay for though. This is less noticable with gloss paints but blatantly obvious if you try to use cheap emulsions. Have you ever used the buckets of B&Q value paint? Compared with the brand products it's worse than useless, although Wickes own-brand 'trade' paint, I've found to be rather good.
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
24 Jan 07
Yes I have used them Rhino and I have to admit they where not that good I painted the Livingroom with it and I had to do 3 Coats
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@rhinoboy (2129)
25 Jan 07
You must've struck lucky indium. Although I only used B&Q value paint (the stuff in red & white buckets) once and it was a few years ago now. I painted a bedroom for my mother and it took at least 4-5 coats.
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• United States
25 Jan 07
I know sometimes it depends on the guy mixing it. I find, if I make them open it and put a dab on the stick then they use a hair dryer so it drys, it shows the color it actually will be. At home depot they will do this, Im not sure about other places.
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
25 Jan 07
Well thank you for this both of you
@wildguy2 (1349)
• Canada
25 Jan 07
The stick drying method is not a very accurate one, the reason being that the lighting you have at home is far different than that of the store, in the store the color you see is usually the color it is supposed to be, but at home the color looks different due to the lights. Another factor of this is area, color on a swatch of 2 inch by 2 inch looks much different than an area of 8 feet by 10 feet, our eye perceives it differently and a lot of the time makes the color look darker than what we had originally thought it to be.
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@blueskies (1186)
• United States
24 Jan 07
I don't really believe the claims by manufacturers when they come out with "specialty" products. You can usually do the same job with the regular version of the product just fine, and save money in the process. If you read the back of that paint can, it probably says that you have to use a primer first, which you would need with regular paint.
@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
24 Jan 07
Well I am not suppose to use Paint because of my Lungs but I thought well if I get that one I should be ok as I won't need a second Coat well how wrong was I
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@wildguy2 (1349)
• Canada
26 Jan 07
Gabs, sorry to hihjack your discussion, but you really know how to post discussions that I can get into....youhave really got me rantin' in this discussion....lol
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
26 Jan 07
hahahaha hey no worries you carry on I really do not mind you are giving a lot of good Advice out here
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
25 Jan 07
I always get outdoor paint Satin or Glossy usually one coat of ppaint works . Did you sand it first? Works better when you sand it
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
25 Jan 07
Nope I didn't as it is not that type of Wood but I got it sorted with the second Coat
@Random1 (212)
• United States
25 Jan 07
I'm sorry those paint things happened to you. I'm happy to learn from your experiences. I've never painted anything but I am soon moving and plan to do a little painting. Now I know, go with the cheap stuff! thanks!
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
25 Jan 07
Lol you are welcome
@kabuki (152)
• Singapore
28 Jan 07
I think you are right. Some of the specialty products are rip-offs and don't perform to expectations. I always go back to the originals, since people have been using them for so long without much complaints. As for the new products, how many of them got taken off the shelves after some time. Very few manage to catch on with consumers, with good reason.
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
28 Jan 07
Yes I just stick to what I always use I prefer those Products
@stsgiri (24)
• India
25 Jan 07
really fooled have this discussion....
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
25 Jan 07
You do not earn for this sort of response so you are fooled by putting it But thanks anyway I appreciate your time and I just had to give you a plus for your Effort
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@honeyangel (1991)
25 Jan 07
that the reason why i never buy dear paint
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
25 Jan 07
Thank you everyone for your Response even the Sarcastic one above honeyangel lol
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