The Good Olde Days?

@ossie16d (11821)
Australia
January 27, 2007 10:02am CST
Next time you wash your hands and complain that the water temperature isn't just the way you like it, think about the way things used to be...real, honest to goodness facts about the 1500s in Merry Olde England: Most people got married in June because they took their yearly bath in May and still smelled pretty good by June. However, they were starting to smell, so brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the body odour. Baths consisted of a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house had the privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and men, then the women and finally the children -- last of all the babies. By then the water was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it-hence the saying, "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater." Houses had thatched roofs -- thick straw -- piled high, with no wood underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the dogs, cats and other small animals (mice, bugs) lived in the roof. When it rained it became slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and fall off the roof. Hence the saying "It's raining cats and dogs." There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This posed a real problem in the bedroom, where bugs and other droppings could really mess up your nice clean bed. Hence, a bed with big posts and a sheet hung over the top afforded some protection. That's how canopy beds came into existence. The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt, Hence the saying, "dirt poor." The wealthy had slate floors that would get slippery in the winter when wet, so they spread thresh (straw) on the floor to help keep their footing. As the winter wore on, they kept adding more thresh until when you opened the door it would all start slipping outside. A piece of wood was placed in the entranceway -- hence, a "thresh hold." In those old days, they cooked in the kitchen with a big kettle that always hung over the fire. Every day they lit the fire and added things to the pot. They ate mostly vegetables and did not get much meat. They would eat the stew for dinner, leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and then start over the next day. Sometimes the stew had food in it that had been there for quite a while-hence the rhyme, "peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old." Sometimes, they could obtain pork. This would make them feel quite special. When visitors came over, they would hang up their bacon to show off. It was a sign of wealth that a man "could bring home the bacon." They would cut off a little to share with guests and would all sit around and "chew the fat." Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with a high acid content caused some of the lead to leach onto the food, causing lead poisoning and death. This happened most often with tomatoes. So, for the next 400 years or so, tomatoes were considered poisonous. Most people did not have pewter plates, but did have trenchers. They are a piece of wood, with the middle scooped out, to form a bowl. However, trenchers were often made from stale bread, which was so old and so hard, they could be used for quite some time. These trenchers were never washed and a lot of times worms and mould got into the wood and old bread. And after eating off these wormy, mouldy, trenchers, people would get "trench mouth." Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom of The loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, which was called the "upper crust." Lead cups were used to drink ale or whiskey. The combination would sometimes knock them out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial. They were laid out on the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up--hence the custom of holding a "wake!" England is old and small and the local folks started running out of places to bury people. So they would dig up coffins and would take the bones to a "bone-house" and reuse the grave. When reopening these coffins, 1 out of 25 coffins were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they realized they had been burying people alive. So they thought they would tie a string on the wrist of the corpse, lead it through the coffin and up through the ground, and tie it to a bell. Then someone would sit in the graveyard, all night long (on the "graveyard shift") and listen for the bell. Thus, the expression, he or she was "saved by the bell" or considered a "dead ringer." And that's the truth...whoever said, "History was boring?"
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@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
27 Jan 07
That was interesting. It is amazing how many of these sayings are still around after hundreds of years. The coffin story is eerie. I have never heard of digging up coffins and reusing the graves. Spooky. A yearly bath? I can't even imagine that. I guess we are blessed to be living in this time.
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• Australia
28 Jan 07
I remember as a child in England that "Friday night is Bon Ami night" A weekly bath was the thing then. Isn't it good that England has since become civilised?
@ossie16d (11821)
• Australia
28 Jan 07
Yes I agree that we are blessed to be living in this time rather than when a yearly bath was the norm sigma. It hardly bears thinking about as far as I am concerned, but then again everyone would smell the same so nobody would notice the smell anyway. This is one good reason not to want to use a time machine to find out about the past. LOL
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@ossie16d (11821)
• Australia
28 Jan 07
Yes cloudwatcher it is good that England has become more civilised and bathes once a week instead of once a year. LOL
@AskAlly (3625)
• Canada
27 Jan 07
I love the fun facts. Imagine all the fuss and expence for a wedding is all becaue we used to smell. Wish I would have known this when my boys married! Not a good sales pitch when the bride picks out her flowers at a florists. They would sell alot more freezia's!!
@ossie16d (11821)
• Australia
28 Jan 07
Yes there certainly would have been interesting times AskAlly and I suppose that at least it was summer when all the marriages took place, which is probably why they had a bath in May. :)
@ossie16d (11821)
• Australia
14 Feb 07
Best response for you AskAlly, and I still laugh when I think of your comment about when your boys married. :)
@rainbow (6761)
27 Jan 07
Wow! That is truly fascinating! Do you have more? it's so good to know where a lot of the old sayings come from, this has to be the best thing I've read today so thank-you!!!!! I really enjoyed reading this although I didn't recieve an alert, got here from my friends list 'cos I was bored and you always do interesting discussions.
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@ossie16d (11821)
• Australia
28 Jan 07
I am pleased that you enjoyed this rainbow and getting a response from you certainly highlights why we need good friends. It is always good to know about some of these old sayings and why they came about. :)
@ausnikki (4054)
• Brisbane, Australia
28 Jan 07
Very interesting facts ossie.Thank goodness we don't live in those days. I enjoy my home comforts too much.I couldn't stand having a yearly bath either,I like to shower daily.
@ossie16d (11821)
• Australia
29 Jan 07
Too true about the shower daily ausnikki but I suppose had we lived back then we wouldn't know any different. I can honestly say though that I am absolutely delighted to know that we have progressed since those days. :)
@tigrashadow (1086)
• Australia
27 Jan 07
ive read this a few times over the years but i love interesting facts like that. i love finding out weird ways that sayings came about or how a certain action came to be part of the ceremony of something. thanks for sharing with us all
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@ossie16d (11821)
• Australia
28 Jan 07
Glad that you enjoyed it again tigrashadow and I too really like to know how certain sayings came about. The fact that they are much older than we often think is something that i find interesting. :)
• Australia
28 Jan 07
Thanks for a wonderful posting and a good laugh. No, I wouldn't like to live back then. I enjoy my mod cons, and especially the running water. I think an annual bath in this climate (Queensland Australia) would mean being eaten alive - and to think of the mass of clothes they wore! Yuk!
@ossie16d (11821)
• Australia
28 Jan 07
Oh I can be without running water, or at least it doesn't necessarily have to come out of a tap, but no way could I go without a bath or shower daily. Even with this drought we are suffering through, I don't think I could handle only getting clean once a week. Glad that you got a laugh out of this one cloudwatcher. :)
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@sherinek (3320)
• United States
6 Feb 07
Something happened and this is the second time I am answering this. Anyway, yet another one for my collection and I gave a copy to my boss to read as well. He also likes this type of things. I wonder, where do you find this type of things. I know England is a very old country with a lot of history.
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@ossie16d (11821)
• Australia
11 Feb 07
It sounds like you have a good boss sherinek and I hope that he enjoyed reading this as well. :)
@caribe (2465)
• United States
24 Mar 07
What an interesting post, Ossie, and to think that I almost missed seeing it. In this case, history is definitely not boring. It is so interesting to know where some of those old sayings came from. Many times they have a much deeper meaning than we are aware of. Thanks so much for posting such an interesting piece of history.
@ossie16d (11821)
• Australia
9 Apr 07
Yes caribe, I also thought that these facts were rather interesting. Gives us a view of how things were in the past and why certain sayings came into being. :)
@claudia413 (4280)
• United States
4 Feb 07
Amazing historical facts, Ossie. It's always interesting to read about how certain sayings came into being. History has never been boring to me, and I still love to read historical novels...especially to see how things were at certain times. I'm very thankful that I live today and not back in the 1500s. I would be highly upset if I didn't have all the comforts we have today. I guess I'm just spoiled, but I wouldn't have it any other way.
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@ossie16d (11821)
• Australia
5 Feb 07
History is very interesting but also it can teach us some lessons I think Claudia. If we lived back in those days we would cope, because we would not know about all the comforts that future generations would have. But suggest that you be like me - no plans for any of this time travel business. :)
@caramello (4377)
• Australia
28 Jan 07
History is never boring ossie and you can always learn something new that you may not have heard of before if you so desire. Some of the origins that you have expressed are quite interesting and some a little bit of humour involved so for me I am always keen to learn more, must keep the brain motivated and we can never learn too much!
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@ossie16d (11821)
• Australia
28 Jan 07
You are right that we can never learn too much caramello and of course it is intersting to hear that some sayings are much older than we thought. Keep the brain active and you will live for much longer, or at least with all the faculties in tact. :)
@deebomb (15304)
• United States
28 Jan 07
another interesting post ossie. I have read some of theses before. I always find this sort of things very interesting. Have you heard the one about "your ps and q"? When the man of the house went out for ale It was served by the pint or quart. Some time the hostel keeper would cheat the customer. Hense Watch your Pints and Quarts.
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@ossie16d (11821)
• Australia
28 Jan 07
Thanks for the reminder of the saying "mind your p's and q's" because it was one that had slipped my mind. Some things never change do they, publicans will still find a way to short change/short drink the customer. :)
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• United States
6 Feb 07
I always knew that the sayings that the ole folks had...was based on something real that existed at 'some point in time', this passage explains a lot. I am completely amazed, I never really thought I would ever find out where some of the saying originated. I am gonna copy this and send it to both family and friends. Thank you for publishing this, it is just so AMAZING!!!...SS
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@ossie16d (11821)
• Australia
6 Feb 07
Pleased that I could help you out on this one SunlightSwoon and that you are going to send it to your family and friends. :)
@estherlou (5015)
• United States
28 Jan 07
Those were great! I don't remember reading some of those before! We're so spoiled nowadays! We discuss going without computers or tvs sometimes, but my goodness...we really love our indoor plumbing (LOL) and our air conditioning and our central heat...not to mention deodorant! did you know it wasn't invented until 1888?
@ossie16d (11821)
• Australia
29 Jan 07
Thanks for the info on when deodorant was invented as I didn't know that estherlou. I think that after reading this sort of stuff, we know that we are blessed with all the things we have today.
@kathy77 (7486)
• Australia
28 Jan 07
Oh dear I have heard a lot of these sayings before but never knew the real meaning of where they came from thank you so much for explaining this to me I really appreciate it. Oh my goodness when I read about that they even buried people alive, and I can believe this as they did some really strange things in those days.
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@sherinek (3320)
• United States
23 Mar 07
I cant imagine being born at that time. See the comforts we have now, still we complain. Thanks ossie for sharing this.
@ossie16d (11821)
• Australia
9 Apr 07
Yes, it is hard to imagine living in that era Sheri, but then again they knew no different, and as it was considered normal then it would not have been a problem. I do like my creature comforts if I choose to have them, so think I prefer this era.
• United States
28 Jan 07
That is very interesting. :) Thanks for sharing. I do find myself complaining about the water temp. I'm in AZ and in the summer time. the cold water is just as hot as the hot water. :) I don't think I'd have survived back than. I like showers and sometimes take 3 a day. :)
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@ossie16d (11821)
• Australia
28 Jan 07
I can relate to the water temperature in the summer sometimes and am only thankful that we have a recycle system as we leave the cold water run cold and then have a shower. Yes, there are many things we can be grateful for living in today's world. :)
@sweetie88 (4556)
• Pakistan
4 Mar 07
Good, interesting and fantastic!!!!!!!! I'll simply it to u!!!!!!! And will u like to tell me that from where did u get such good things??????????????? Urs all posts r really very nice and i like them very muchhhhhhhhh. I heard a bit like it in the past too but its more interesting. May b bcuz its Ossie Aunt's collection. Lolz. Keep on sharing such old things with us!!!!!!
@ossie16d (11821)
• Australia
10 Mar 07
Oh these sorts of things are fairly easy to find sweetie. Some of them I find in books, doing some searching on the internet and some are sent to me by friends. If I think that they are worth sharing, then I will post them here on myLot for everyone else to read and enjoy. :)
@RebeccaLynn (2256)
• United States
28 Jan 07
Wow! I lnew about the tomatoes but not the rest. Pretty cool history lesson! By the way, I like the bottom of the bread!
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@ossie16d (11821)
• Australia
28 Jan 07
Yes the bottom of the bread can be good and in fact when I make bread at home, it is cut in slabs and one day when I took both crusts our son just cut along the bottom. We both "fight" over the crust. :)
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@suedarr (2382)
• Canada
30 Jan 07
My friend Rainbow directed me to this discussion and I must say not only is it fascinating I am impressed! I love historical studies, and as you say history is definitely NOT boring! Cheers!
@ossie16d (11821)
• Australia
4 Feb 07
It was very kind of Rainbow to direct you here to this discussion and I am pleased that you found it interesting suedarr. It is just something that I thought I would share with others, and hope they would find it interesting as well. :)
• India
28 Jan 07
yep when u look at ur past their r so many good days that u'll never want to forgett as they r the burning fuel 4 u when ur down
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@ossie16d (11821)
• Australia
28 Jan 07
I am not sure that you read through all of this discussion but rather just the title.