Flying the flag - don't this just twist your knickers
By Debs_place
@Debs_place (10520)
United States
February 7, 2007 1:17am CST
I read this and was appalled, I, too, am a Blue Star Mom
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Condo association tells Guardsman's mom she can't have flagpole in front of unit
By:Kory Loucks, Journal Inquirer
08/31/2006
EAST WINDSOR - Theresa Richard is proud of her son, who is a member of the Connecticut National Guard serving in Afghanistan.
To show her support she is displaying the American flag and the Blue Star flag on a flagpole in front of her condominium, but her condominium association says she must remove the patriotic display.
In a certified letter dated Aug. 24 from property manager Mark K. Kubera, who wrote the letter on behalf of the board of directors of the Stoughton Ridge Condominium Association, Richard was told to "kindly remove the flagpole and the two flags presently attached."
Failure to remove the pole will result in a $25-per-day fine, the letter says.
"I don't feel like I should be subject to a fine or anything else," Richard, who has lived in the complex since 2004, said. "It's not hurting anyone," she added.
The Blue Star flag is flown by relatives of those serving in the armed forces. Richard is a member of the Blue Star Mothers of America.
"I thought nothing of it when a friend from my church made the flagpole," Richard said, until other condominium residents warned her that the association would probably order her to take down the pole.
Which is exactly what happened.
This is not the first time that the condominium association has challenged residents over flagpoles.
In 2002 Gene Doering, a retiree who has lived in the 60-unit complex off of Davis Road for 16 years, was also sent a letter from the association to take down his flagpole.
Doering refused to take it down, and it is still standing today.
"I hired a lawyer and they quit bothering me about it," he said, and added, "I think it is a shame that the association is doing this."
There are at least two other Stoughton Ridge residents who have flagpoles in front of their condominiums.
"I called them and told them that I was not going to take the flag down," Richard said.
A state law that went into effect July 24 states that a condominium association may not restrict or prevent a member "from displaying the flag of the United States on residential property within the associaton."
However, the law does give the association a right to have "reasonable restrictions" of "the time, place, or manner of displaying the flag ... to protect a substantial interest" of the association.
According to the letter from Kubera, the problem the association has is not with the flags, but with how they are displayed.
In the Stoughton Ridge Condominium Association rules and regulations, section D says: "No flags, including the American flag, may be displayed from poles in planting beds or any common or limited common areas."
The association, however, takes no issue with flags displayed on poles attached to the condominium owner's "front entrance wood trim or deck rails." It is just the "common ground" area that the association has a problem with.
Kubera was not available for comment today.
"This is crazy. We have better things to do with our time than argue about a flagpole," Richard said.
©Journal Inquirer 2007
So what do you think?
http://www.journalinquirer.com/site/index.cfm?newsid=17136052&BRD=985&PAG=461&dept_id=569380&rfi=8
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15 responses
@Willowlady (10658)
• United States
7 Feb 07
This is the main problem with associations connected to the condo units. These are the ones you live in a communist type way. Another thing we need to address since the power they weild is often misused. There is no reason to move into one of these units and be harassed. Perhaps an interview would be needed to see what kind of association that you would be entering. As usual if all the owners would stand together then the association with the press involved would make better decisions. Just my thoughts.
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@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
8 Feb 07
Definitely a reason why I could not live in a place like that I always felt that This was done to keep people from leaving garbage outside, most people I know that have condos or live in planned community are encourage to use plants and decorative items to beautify and personalize their area.
An Amercian flag...that is ridiculous.
Thanks,
Deb
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@Willowlady (10658)
• United States
11 Feb 07
Sure, just amazing as the lengths that some people go to. Appreciate you responding to me.
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@happythoughts (4109)
• United States
7 Feb 07
I think we should be able to fly our flags no matter where we are. I too live in a neighbor hood that controls what I can and cant do in my yard. It is quite frusturating. I can fly a flag as long as I get permission first. We are trying to move so we can do as we please in our own space. My flag is important to me and I dont want someone telling me what I can do with it.
@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
8 Feb 07
yes, these people have to realize that being controlling like that is not going to help them in the long run. If I was looking to move in a place and found out they had rules like that, I would not even consider moving in there.
I am a big flag person, I agree.
They must use discretion
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@mom2chriskel (1060)
• United States
7 Feb 07
Uggh...stuff like this just makes me angry! She should be able to fly that flag if she wants to.
This story sort of reminds me of the housing complex that didn't want anyone to decorate for Christmas. People would put lights up and be told to take them down.
People always say the majority wins but lately it seems like the minority wins. If one person disagrees, they can win their case over a group :(
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@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
8 Feb 07
Yup, you are right, we now have a silent majority. I am so tired of political correctness.
I think this woman should be ablee to fly her flags, they are not offensive, they are not rude. Here is a woman who supports her country and her family - how much more apple pie can it get?
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@KrisNY (7590)
• United States
7 Feb 07
I would gladly pay the $25 fine each day! I would not take my flag down-- What a disgrace these condominium owners are.. I cannot imagine someone telling me to take down the US Flag-- or the Blue Star flag-
My brother leaves tomorrow morning for Iraq... I dare a single person to tell me to take my flag down- I know this wouldn't happen to me as I own my home.
I think every house should have the American Flag proudly displayed for all to see.
@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
8 Feb 07
Kris,
First off, thank your brother for us.
Second, you are right, every home should fly a flag. Why we need a flag day is beyond me, we should be proud of our country.
We have people from all over the world who want to live here, in spite or the AMerica bashing, that has to tell everyone something, we are doing something right.
Thanks for your comments.
BTW I van is full of magnets and flags and all patriotic. People recognize me by my patriotic van.
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@urbangirl (1456)
• Australia
8 Feb 07
Well I know in our block of units, we're not allowed to hang blankets from our balconies let lone erect structures that protrude from the building or common areas even if it IS patriotic, unless everyone living in the building agrees. That pleases me because it keeps the look of the place.
She doesn't actually OWN the outside of the building or the common areas so she has no right to do this without getting approval first. If she lived in a house she could do whatever she wanted because it's her property but these common areas are NOT her property. As the article says down the bottom - the association takes no issue with flags displayed on poles attached to her condo's front entrance wood trim or deck rails. This is fair enough. If she was a reasonable person she's accept this but it seems she's just a drama queen using the flag as an emotional issue to get her way.
@Qaeyious (2357)
• United States
8 Feb 07
Before I comment on this, I need to know more details of the case. The association did reply that it had no objection to displaying flags, it was the manner it was displayed. Was the pole in a common area instead of on the person's own property?
Yes, I heard such associations are ruthless in enforcing the pathetic little details of their leases, but still I prefer to hear both sides of the case before condemning the association of treason against the United States.
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@urbangirl (1456)
• Australia
8 Feb 07
If you read the article, it does reveal it was in a common area and that they had no objection to this person displaying the flag on what was HER property. I think the issue here is that she is placing the flag on something that is not her property.
I have no issue with the flag, but if someone came in to the front yard of my house and put it there, well yes I would have an issue with that because it's not their property or their right to do that.
@polachicago (18716)
• United States
7 Feb 07
It means that people from Association have nothing to do. My friend almost lost her condo because of crazy crappie lady form her building. People should concentrate more on positive energy.
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@heathersmom05 (6)
• United States
7 Feb 07
Being a wife of a soldier I would gladly pay the fine to fly the flag. My husband was deployed and everyday that he was gone I flew my flag proudly. I still fly it even though he is home. I think people are only patriotic when something pertains to them. Not letting someone fly a flag is just wrong. Think how Donald Trump feels in Florida being told that the flag pole is to high and the flag is to big. He has the money to pay his fines and is even suing the city over it. I think more people need to be patriotic.
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@chertsy (3798)
• United States
8 Feb 07
I think Bush passed something regarding this. So that familes can display flags and such. The person that has problems regarding having a flag in his yard, needs to look this up.
Honestly I won't hang a flag outside. To much regulations of having the American flag outside. With having a spot light, to bringing it in during bad weather, if it get's in bad shape, you have to take it to a military base to have it destroyed.
I'm glad I'm not apart of a housing association. Why buy a house or condo, then have a group of people that tells you what you can and can't do. To me that's like renting, only you get to keep what you rent.
@rahuldmhatre (736)
• India
7 Feb 07
yes i agree with most repliers...i think that just by not having a flag dosent mean we are not patriotic.....its in our hearts and no one can take it....we have better things to do than argue whether we are allowed flag poles or not
@mckenziemom (522)
• United States
8 Feb 07
This is just outrageous!! What is happening to this country? It is apparent to me that we are slowly beginning to lose our rights in this country!! How could the association have an issue with this flag? We are at war and we should be allowed to show our support of the military. What difference does it make where the flag pole is located. This is just a waste of time to for everyone involved. The resident should be able to display their support of the troops and be left alone.
@neetrah_32 (234)
• United States
8 Feb 07
How stupid of the association to try and force someone to take down a flag that represents this country's brave men and women. How is it hurting? No one. If it was a confederate flag, I bet they've have nothing to say. They're a bunch of clowns.
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@Lindalinda (4111)
• Canada
7 Feb 07
This is the problem with living in a Condo. I know from experience. The Condominium Corporation makes the bylaws and the owners have to abide by it. I can see that only the Corporation has the right to fly or not fly the flag on a pole in the common area. However, in this case the family and neighbours can show their support by flying their flags on their individual patios, or front doors.