Has The U.S. Government Lost It's Collective Mind? - I Can't Believe This.
@lloydanthony111 (4698)
United States
February 16, 2007 9:10pm CST
A federal court has cleared the way for TV bounty hunter Duane "Dog" Chapman to be extradited to face charges in Mexico.
Mexican authorities have already asked for Chapman's extradition from Hawaii.
The charges against the 53-year-old star of the A&E reality series "Dog the Bounty Hunter" stem from his June 2003 capture of the Max Factor makeup heir and convicted rapist Andrew Luster in 2003.
Luster had fled to Mexico to avoid trial, and his detention by Chapman led to his return to the U.S. and a 124-year prison term.
Luster's capture shot the Honolulu-based bounty hunter to fame and led to the TV series.
Chapman, who is now free on $300,000 bail, faces up to four years in a Mexican jail if convicted.
They are charging his with something called illegal detention.
In my opinion, the Mexican government should be glad that he got a rapist off the streets of Mexico. And the U.S. government should be glad he caught the rapist and put him behind bars.
What in the world is going on here? I can't believe this.
Lloyd
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27 responses
@howard96h (11640)
• New York, New York
17 Feb 07
I think the Mexican Government should release them from any charges because they did bring to justice a wanted fugitive. We have many people from Mexico and other countries who are illegal and the US treats them very well, the US is not arresting every undocumented person who has commited a crime by being here illegally, so why can't Mexcio do the same for these bounty hunters? It just is not right. Come on Mexico and do the right thing. Here is a petition to help them out, please sign it. http://www.PetitionOnline.com/dwayne/
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@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
17 Feb 07
I agree with you 100%. It's just not right. Thanks for the URL for the petition.
Hopefully, they will be able to resolve this issue.
Lloyd
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@resasour (378)
• United States
18 Feb 07
I agree with you too and I signed the petition. It is ridiculous to side with a criminals rights just because he did not have a signed permission slip to enter your country. I bet the criminal was not a legal citizen of Mexico either.
I think we should empty out our prisons and send our criminals over there and then close the border. Let them all kill each other...
@XxAngelxX (2830)
• Canada
17 Feb 07
Wow! I hadn't heard anything about this before reading your discussion but I have to say, I agree with you. He didn't do anything wrong, in fact he did more good in getting the rapist off the streets. Surely it'll be thrown out of court before it goes to far!!! I'm stunned that the government would actually do this.
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@Justme2007 (1848)
• United States
17 Feb 07
He did not get permission and he didn't get paid the reward they were offering either,but he did get a TV show.
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@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
17 Feb 07
I believe both governments are upset that he did what they couldn't do. He went to Mexico and captured a rapist.
They need to thank him instead of prosecuting him.
Lloyd
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@Idlewild (6090)
• United States
17 Feb 07
Lloyd,
Just read this article and a very important part is missing--the dateline!
GUADALAJARA, Mexico (AP) - A federal court cleared the way for TV bounty hunter Duane "Dog" Chapman to be extradited to face charges in Mexico, but the decision can still be appealed.
The 'federal' court referred to is a MEXICAN court, not a U.S. court. The U.S. govt. has no say in the matter.
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@gifana (4833)
• Portugal
17 Feb 07
Idlewild I hope it is with myLoters and not with myLot. The latter is doing everything it can to make the site better. The problem is with the users and not the site management. When I first joined it was much worse and the improvements that have been made by both management and users is very encouraging for the future.
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@Idlewild (6090)
• United States
17 Feb 07
I don't think they have a choice, isn't the U.S. required to comply with the request? Why would they deny the request, to help one bounty hunter who was acting illegally in Mexico?
The U.S. should comply, if they want to maintain good relations with Mexico. There are probably many times when American criminals (like Luster) flee to Mexico, and we would want Mexico to extradite them.
It's amazing how many people are still replying to this topic slamming the U.s. govt, when Mylot rules clearly state that yoiu're supposed to read all responses before responding. If they'd done that, they would have seen my comments that this is a Mexican court, not a U.S. court.
I'm becoming more frustrated with Mylot by the day. It's 'respond first, read later,' like when people read the first sentence of a discussion topic and respond to that, but don't bother reading the rest of the topic.
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@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
17 Feb 07
If that is correct, then do you think the U.S. government to agree to the extradition?
Lloyd
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@bunnylady01 (483)
• United States
17 Feb 07
I agree with you. It is so sad that we have good people helping to clean up the trash of our society and yet, they are penalized for their good deeds. I do not understand this. Weren't we all taught to help catch the bad guys and be there to serve our police? Country? Now, they turn on someone who is doing so much good, that they (police, country) cannot do, and he is taking a punishing. So wrong. What next? Makes you wonder!
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@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
17 Feb 07
I agree with you. But as you see, we are starting to see some opposing opinions.
Would like to see what others are thinking about this situation.
Lloyd
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@highflyingxangel (9225)
• United States
17 Feb 07
Wow, I hadn't heard of this, but this is definitely frustrating. He did something good, he didn't do anything bad. He was trying to stop a serial rapist from doing it again. I can't believe what people think.
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@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
17 Feb 07
Something really stinks about this. I don't know why the U.S. don't tell them to shove it.
I don't know what the problem is.
Lloyd
@Justme2007 (1848)
• United States
17 Feb 07
He went without permission he did not clear it with the police in Mexico and this guy was filthy rich and the rich get away with a lot of things.They knew where this guy was they all the time he was over there. The gov. was probably getting paid not to go get him.
@keepermykitty (2573)
• Canada
17 Feb 07
I don`t understand what the Government does at all . I mean Dog was only doin his job , none of it makes any sense to me . I have said for ever that the Government is screwed , I mean the government is always putting people in jail , alot of them for no reason , or at least no good reason .
Do you know when Dog goes to trial ?
Can you please keep us informed ?
Thankc you for sharing this .
@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
18 Feb 07
I really don't know when a decision will be made in this case. However I know that it will be hotly contested.
It's a case between right and wrong. And there are people on both sides.
Lloyd
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@cajunmomma (624)
• United States
17 Feb 07
I know it is crazy. I can't believe it. I know that he did the job they couldn't do that was asked of him to do. Now that their job was done for them by Dog, they don't care and they are just selfish and greedy.
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@sirensanssmile (3764)
• Netherlands
19 Feb 07
Maybe Mexico is not happy about it because the guy is loaded and obviously spending money there in their country. That is horrible that they would turn the bounty hunter over to Mexico but then again.... USA always expects that Mexico will turn over theirs. It would be horrible for him to have to go to jail as obviously his work is a benefit.
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@emarie (5442)
• United States
17 Feb 07
WHAT!!!!!!!!!
man i didn't think they would let the Mexican government get their hands on him, i mean c'mon, i know he broke the law, but he also said that they were free to go and then there was a whole missunderstanding thing. he didn't really think much of it.i mean, i feel sorry for them, they're just trying to do good and help everyone and if he goes to jail...he might now come out, and thats what beth was so worried about. a mexican jail is FAR worse then a US prison and he was even scared as hell in that one! i'm a fan of his, i grew up in hawaii and i like what he's doing for the place and the fact that he has respect for a lot of the people and culture as well even though he's not from there. i wish him all the luck that he gets a fair trial and a DAMN good lawyer. i wonder if there is anything we can do...oh yeah...i think i remember who his lawyer is...he used to be my mom's former boss. i know that he's nice...but i hope he's good as well. maybe i'll call my mom because she still does some side work for him.
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@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
18 Feb 07
I urge everyone to do what they can to resolve this issue. The Mexican government supports illegal entry into the U.S.
Yet they treat us with little or no respect. I'm ready to do unto others as they do unto us.
Lloyd
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@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
18 Feb 07
The Mexican government is so corrupt. I wouldn't put it pass them that Luster influenced them with his wealth and stature.
Lloyd
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@Auxarcer (150)
• United States
18 Feb 07
Bounty hunters and bounty hunting should be outlawed. Too many of the wrong kind of people get in to this profession.
While I think it sucks that "Dog" might be extradited to Mexico, he realy has no one to blame but himself. As a professional he should've known better than to do what he did, and he probably did know better but decided to roll the dice anyway. Hope it works out for him.
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@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
18 Feb 07
Bounty hunting does sound like something out of the wild, wild west.
And there have been cases where they have captured the wrong person.
I wonder why it's still allowed then. Maybe it's because they play an important roll in capturing the bad guys.
Lloyd
@Auxarcer (150)
• United States
18 Feb 07
You may well be right Lloyde. Certainly right that it is something out of the old west,but maybe we need these people as you say. Still, if we're gonna have them, maybe they should be trained by federal agents or someone else in a position to train them properly. Thank ypu for your post!
@xfallenxlostx (2074)
• United States
17 Feb 07
WTF, so it actually went through? i thought FOR SURE this would get over-turned. The Mexican government should be THANKFUL to Dog for getting the a$$ off the streets! So should the US government. WTF is wrong with this country?
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@huggiebear22 (2007)
• Canada
17 Feb 07
If you break the law be prepared to do time
he has no problem taking people back to jail that jump bond so if you are going to enforce the law you should nto be breaking them he used his celbrasty satus to make money which I have npo problem with but do it by the book adn leagally he has said you have to be careful when going after these ppl becasue they can sue you if you do it wrong adfn a bounty hunter if he breaks the law can be charged.
Does it make a difference in which country you break the law
What he does i applaud him for it but if he feels he can break the law for the greater good then what good is the law, he decideds to make himself the law maker and pick adn choose what laws he follows dn which ones he breaks then he is no better that the bail jumpers that he chases.
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@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
17 Feb 07
I understand your thinking. He captures people who break laws, so why should he get a pass.
Brilliant opposing opinion.
Thanks.
Lloyd
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@huggiebear22 (2007)
• Canada
23 Feb 07
To me the problem is bigger than that the laws are made to protect all people equally it is not until people try to twist the laws of one country to suit there needs. People should respect the laws are ways of other countries just like there own. I belive Dog did the right thing with the right intentions but he was in another country and should of followed there rules. The other side if a country like Mexico wants to be seen as a law abideing country then they should inforce there own laws adn stop some of the BS in their system. Tehn with what happend to Dog would of been a non event
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
18 Feb 07
In addition to signing on-line petitions supporting 'Dog', any American can request that their Congressional Representatives, and Senators join the ranks of the existing representatives who are applying pressure on the State Department in this matter. I certainly did! A simple e-mail request to your elected representatives can help 'Dog' and the 'Dog-Pound' as much as an online petition.
@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
18 Feb 07
I just seen it on the Fox Channel. The State Department is the place to contact.
Thanks for that valuable information.
Lloyd
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@Idlewild (6090)
• United States
17 Feb 07
He broke Mexican laws by pursuing this guy, right? Bounty hunting is illegal in Mexico, from what I've read. I guess that's what the "illegal detention" would be. He should have known that what he was doing was against their law, and that he was taking a big risk in doing it.
I don't think U.S. citizens would like it if a Mexican citizen came to our country and broke our laws to pursue a criminal.
@gifana (4833)
• Portugal
17 Feb 07
All American citizens travelling are informed by the US government that they are subject to all local laws and if they are in trouble they cannot expect too much from the Embassy or government in general. The Dog must have known this. In a US pssport on page 8 there is a list of tips for travellers. No. 9 says: "Familiarize yourself with local laws and customs of the country to which you are travelling. While in a foreign country, you are subject to its laws."
Therefore, if Mexico says he broke the law and the US agrees that the law is valid then there is very little that the US govt can do anything to help him.
In addition, there are extradition laws between the two countries...it is not the same for all countries. It is obvious that the crime that The Dog committed is included in the extradition papers.
Just because we are Americans does not mean that we can go around the world breaking the laws of other countries without being punished... I visited a young American in a Barcelona prison where he was serving a life sentence for murder. There was nothing we in the Consulate could do but "hold his hand" and see that he got the things that he needed. Murder is one crime that in rarely excluded in extradition papers.
@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
17 Feb 07
He may have broken a Mexican law, however it sounds like it would be in their best interest to get this guy off of there streets.
I don't think the people of the United States would have have been overly upset if a known rapist would have been removed from the street of America.
Just my opinion.
Lloyd
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@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
17 Feb 07
Hi Gifana. You have made a good case. I just think that sometimes there can be exceptions to the rules.
Thanks for your opinion.
Lloyd
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@Willowlady (10658)
• United States
17 Feb 07
It is hard for me to believe that the bounty hunter did not know the laws of the foreign land he traveled to. The U.S. government is in a situation of diplomatic diplomacy with Mexico and in this case doing the right thing requires his extradition to Mexico. It is a shame and since this is such a big deal to us about Luster. Perhaps the bounty hunter can be rewarded if he survives the Mexican jail. Our laws are different than Mexico. We cannot judge our standards for them. I am glad that Luster is in jail however we do need to be mindful of the countries laws when we travel.
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@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
18 Feb 07
I think if the Mexican government doesn't see that this is the exection rather than the rule, then they are not our friend and we should hold them accountable to every law a Mexican breaks.
Let's audit every business in America and deport every Mexican that is breaking american law by being here illegally.
This diplomacy works both ways.
Lloyd
@minerc (1373)
• United States
17 Feb 07
I totally agree with you. People should be thankful that the bounty hunters are out there risking there lifes to make ours a little safer. Just imagine how much complaining they would be doing it the rapist wouldnt of been caught. They should make up there minds what is more important and leave the bounty hunter alone. I hope that he gets cleared and he never tries to help Mexico again let all the bad guys run there they will want someones help then.
@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
17 Feb 07
That is an interesting perspective. Do you think it will encourage more criminals to flee to Mexico if Dog gets jailed?
Lloyd
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@revdauphinee (5703)
• United States
17 Feb 07
my question is why mexico didnt extradite Luster back to the US if Dog got this fiend more power to him our government should give him a medal not kow tow to mexico!
@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
17 Feb 07
I watch his television show on A & E and the thing I get from it is that he really cares about upholding the law.
He is not the bad guy in this case.
Lloyd
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@country45_99 (160)
• United States
17 Feb 07
so whats new????????our goverment has passed the buck ,an did not defend it own
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@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
17 Feb 07
Do you think that there will be a backlash against the administration if he is jailed in Mexico?
Or have we just become immune to cases like this?
Lloyd
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