Is it War against Terrorism or is there some thing else?
By ram_cv
@ram_cv (16513)
India
March 1, 2007 10:17pm CST
America's War on Terrorism started with the wiping out of Afghanistan, then the guns were turned around to Iraq despite no indication of Al-Qaida presence or support to terrorism from Iraqis. Now, the roving eye of Bush has fallen on Iran and who knows which other Arab country is next. Do the Americans really believe that this is a war on Terror or do they also feel that something else is brewing beneath the surface?
4 responses
@MrNiceGuy (4141)
• United States
2 Mar 07
Al Queda did have links to Iraq, even according to top Al Queda leaders and Iraqi official documents as well:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/550kmbzd.asp
http://www.cfr.org/publication/9513/
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,84291,00.html
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/05/sprj.irq.alqaeda.links/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,779359,00.html
http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/02/11/no-evidence-of-a-saddam-osama/
And lets not forget that Iran has long been known to be behind Hizbollah, a terrorist group fighting Israel and other targets as well recent reports about Iran sending Al Quds brigade leaders and other to Iraq. And Iran obviously is a threat to many people, especially if no one stops their nuclear program.
What are you suggesting the war is about?
@MrNiceGuy (4141)
• United States
2 Mar 07
Did you read the information? It's pretty clear...
How did the war on terror result in 9/11? Or was that a typo?
@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
• United States
3 Mar 07
I wrote in a reverse order not a typo, but the result of 9-11-01 gave us the war on terror. This war was then escalated.
The problem with your sources that you seem is so clear is these are the very parts of the problem promoting the war and building up hatred for the people of the Middle East. I'm talking about Fox news and CNN. I've read articles fro mteh guardian and the only link I'm not familiar with is the floppingaces...
Mr. NiceGuy, I prefer to be given honest information before I send my money and my children to fight for our protection. I prefer all avenues of diplomacy to be exhausted and this administration has pushed and forced their way trying to change other people and spread our way of life in other countries.
I saw the truth being told, and I saw the administration disregard the evidence and twist information to take our country into war based on the lies that the administration was telling.
This is now a war with many prongs, from oil and money to religion.
We are building a cocoon out of the web of lies or deceit.
Let me ask you, if we go into Iran and take this war to them, what will happen?
I see a major problem in even thinking we can go into Iran and expect anything good to come out of that. We are at the end of the road in this war. If you think we can go further explain to me and everyone else what you see as the future and tell us why your vision is so different than the one that the majority of clear thinking and well reasoning people know WILL Happen if we dare go into Iran?
Tell me that Invading Iran would be any different than a terrorist organization coming to America and thinking they can fight a ground war on our soil? What prevents any nation from coming into America and fighting a ground offensive here? Do you know what is our biggest deterent?
@ram_cv (16513)
• India
3 Mar 07
This discussion is shaping up nicely. As far as facts are concerned, they themselves mean nothing, it is just the interpretation and the interpretation taken by the Bush Administration is very colorful and thus they went ahead and attacked Iraq. If we just talk about 9/11, a lot of innocent people lost their lives, but in the events later the Afghanistan War and the Iraq war, more innocent people lost their lives and are still losing their lives.
If we claim Al-Qaeda to be a terror organization that is mean and cruel based on 9/11, then how big a terror organization is the Bush Administration in comparison. I don't mean to support Al Qaeda or any terrorist organization here, but human life is more valuable then revenge or retribution and violence would only beget more violence.
Cheers!
@4ftfingers (1310)
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3 Mar 07
It's too easy to believe that this war started with what bush calls 'the war on terrorism'.
Britain and the US, have had dissagreements with the middle east for year. Britian and US trying to install leaders that suit themselves ecconomically, they have never given a damn about the people of the countries involved. If you look at the history of the middle east, you see over and over the US installing leaders in countries that don't actually meet the wishes of the people of that country and are often opposed by the public, but instead are ones that will trade healthily with the US, UK and the west.
The war on terrorism is just another con. The US has the ability and intelligence to protect it's self, that is why they have only seen few attacks on their home soil. So there is no need to 'fight the war over there..' and so on. Groups have wanted to attack the US for years, it's not a new thing. And for years US intelligence has prevented that.
What we are being told is a smokescreen to hide the dirty secret that all the manslaughter and inhumanity we are causing is really about money, and looking after our own ecconomy. No matter what new initiative they come up with, that is what it has always been about.
@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
• United States
4 Mar 07
Mr. NiceGuy,
Are you saying that only Islamic people are terrorists? It appears that you think any wrong in the world is committed by an Islamic person. Is this true?
If you're an American you should know that there is plenty of terrorism right here in America and the people doing these bad things are not Islamic, and not all are Atheists.
I would say that we have plenty of problems right here. I had a large piece of text written to you above with regard to the links you posted.
I'll try again...
@ram_cv (16513)
• India
4 Mar 07
I think you have a pertinent point there in that no only muslims are terrorists, there are terrorists at a lot of places, of lot of religions and of lot of races. So it is not entirely correct to say that whenever a muslim country is attacked then it is for war on terrorism. That's a good point.
Cheers!
Ram
@humbleme (1004)
• India
2 Mar 07
I would humbly
request you to check the Reuter,BBC other newschannels ,aswell as newspapers reports regularly, and you will get lot of evidences the relation between Iraq and
the terrorist organisation that you have mentioned, as it
has been proved and established quite early.Your country
has suffered and still suffering from repeated terrorist attacks and there are no scarcity of evidences about which
country or terrorist organisations are responsible and you
too know it very well.So the main issue is to erradicate
terrorism from this world.If any criminal, attacks or try to molest
you or your family member infront of you,I hope you will
not start councilling or think of rehabilitating that criminal, rather you will try that,in future that criminal
dont dare to stare at you or at your family members.5000yrs
back there were presence of Asuras/criminal, it is present
in 2007 as well.
@ram_cv (16513)
• India
2 Mar 07
You are right when you say that terror needs to be dealt with effectively. But just blindly going to each and every country and killing thousands of people just for the heck of a doubt is atrocious. It makes such a person a bigger terrorist than any other terrorist.
The only way to effectively combat terrorism is to understand why terrorism raised it's ugly head in the first place. One of the contributing factors has been unequal development in the various parts of the world. These same organizations that you are shown on BBC, Reuter were the organization that America itself had funded for it's war on Soviet Union and Communism. Al Qaeda and Saddam were both benefactors of America's policies during the days of USSR.
To me from a detached view it seems that it requires a war on some other country to win elections in US and that is what Bush is doing and nothing else.
@hallofamer2b (60)
• United States
2 Mar 07
that is a very good question, hopefully you will ge tmany responses from conspiracy theorists. one theory is that bush hinks he can get oil. this has come about from the fact that there is a shortage of oil. also if we had oil we could sell it to decrease our national debt.
another theory is that bush is trying to get back at them becasue apparently they bombed some tower that his father was in, the tower held of course, but some think that he is trying for revenge.
any which way you look at it there seems to be very little reason to be there, we didnt find any weapons on mass destruction and we cought some of their most important leaders. also the iraqi government is taking over and now may be our time tostep out of this war and focus on our own country.
@ram_cv (16513)
• India
2 Mar 07
What surprises me is that when I saw Fahreinheit 9/11 there were too many things that the documentary said about Bush family and their connections? Still there was neither any response from the public or the Bush family to the allegations. It seemed that it was so easily brushed under carpet by Bush harping this war on Terrorism :)
