BAN Offending Users
By megs85
@megs85 (3142)
Australia
March 4, 2007 7:20pm CST
After recently reading and actively participating in a number of discussions pertaining to mylot "policing" and "flame wars" between members, I have come to form the opinion that members that NAME any user they have a personal altercation with in a public discussion should be banned.
Heres my reasoning- using a recent example.
Member "A" has had past problems with Members "B" and "C" and feels victimised. Member "A" encounters other problems with people performing 'pranks' on their discussions and accuses members "B" and "C" as being responsible in a number of discussions openly naming members B and C and inciting a flame war. People see portions of this discussion and come to conclusions based on only snippets of information, and selected examples and make unfair and unjust judgements on these members. I think ANY member that starts a discussion with the intent of drawing attention to another members behaviour and names ANY member...should be BANNED.
MyLot has enough problems without hypocrites citing the rules then breaching them themselves.
Whats your opinion?
Are the insults and flame wars getting on your nerves too?
And for the record, I am aware that this will cause my rating to drop. And this isnt solely directed at the member on which the example I have used is based, and is not a personal attack of any sort. I am talking generally about ANY member who names ANY other member...
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24 responses
@sirensanssmile (3764)
• Netherlands
5 Mar 07
It is irritating.
They act like they weren't the ones to START the entire thing and then get people who don't know to sympathise for them and start attacking and flaming these people when they were the ones picked on to begin with.
I think that if people see posts that name people, in the very least they should NOT reply to them at all.
These posts are against Mylot guidelines anyway and will be deleted eventually.... Don't waste your time.
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@sirensanssmile (3764)
• Netherlands
11 Mar 07
People shouldn't try to pick sides on any of these sorts of things if they don't even know what is going on. This tends to be an addition to the flaming and entirely unnecassary. Those posts are designed to do that. To get the attention of people and get them to join in and flame away. For me that is boring.... I can just go to the playground for that.
@megs85 (3142)
• Australia
5 Mar 07
Exactly.
Thats teh other thing that really gets to me.
People bag on the self appointed mylot police, but forget that these "police" dotn earn money for trying to help clean out the forum, as most of teh discussions they respond to will be deleted as they are trash (generally speaking)
I think its unfair for people to sympathise with others unless they are aware of the entire story...
I also dont think you should start a battle unless you can finish it yourself...
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@re08dz (1941)
• Australia
5 Mar 07
Actually I don't know whether it's just luck or what but I've yet to really come across anything like this (on this site at least)
While it seems to be one of the bad sides of human nature much like the you can't turn away from a train wreck thing - people can't stop themselves from reading and often becoming a part of negative/gossipy etc type posts - I think that those that name names do deserve to be banned.
It's not only against myLots terms to "flame" etc it's just bad form in my opinion. If a person can't say what they need to say without resorting to name calling and pointing fingers at others, well, like our parents always tell us - if you can't say something nice - don't say anything at all.
@megs85 (3142)
• Australia
5 Mar 07
Im pretty sure it is against myltos guidelines to insult someone, or to start a discussion with the intention of flaming another user, but ill have to recheck it and get back to ya ;)
I love the last part of your post- IF YOU CANT SAY ANYTHING NICE (or even simply something constructive as far as im concerned) THEN JUST DONT BOTHER SAYING ANYTHING AT ALL.
Im gonan make that my slogan with your permission lol
@Lindalinda (4111)
• Canada
5 Mar 07
I don't see why your rating should drop. You made a valid point and I agree with you. I think those flame wars are childish and hypocritical. I am also glad to say I think one of the culprits who named other members openly has left Mylot or said would leave. Good riddance! This is a discussion forum and members should conduct themselves properly. Granted it is tempting to get into the fray when I see a heated discussion, but I try to restrain myself and move on to another topic. I do agree with you though that members who accuse other members and name them should be banned, same as those who cheat, copy and paste and troll.
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@DavidReedy (2378)
• United States
5 Mar 07
My thought on the matter, is that age old advice out mothers and fathers used to give us. Ignore the trouble causers and they lose the power of attention that we give them.
@Melizzy (1381)
• United States
5 Mar 07
I am familiar with the war in question and unlike many members, i have done some research and looked at cited topics and then some. I do think it is wrong on any forum to name anyone. Period. I had my identity revealed on a forum that I did not want my identity revealed on. And this is online people. I say grow-up to everyone involved in any online war. I am here to make some money and to get a pulse on human nature.
I also think it's wrong that if you have ever responded to a discussion that gets deleted, your points go down. How is a person supposed to know a discussion might get deleted, and then I get penalized for it?
In short, I agree totally with you. We have free will. We should exercise it. That means to ignore it.
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@kathy77 (7486)
• Australia
5 Mar 07
Yes they should not name anyone that should be up to mylot to ban these members, yes they should be banned they should not be allowed to do this. As for myself I have never run into these kind of problems here and hopefully never will. I do not understand why your ratings should drop if this is what is occuring.
@wmg2006 (5381)
• United States
5 Mar 07
I have been for four months and never seen any of these discussions you are referring to. I think the way MyLot has set up their abuse button to turn someone in works just fine. Myot can't ban anyone on someone elses say, that would not be fair at all. The discussion should be reported so the paid employees of MyLot can justify the punishment.
@megs85 (3142)
• Australia
5 Mar 07
I disagree with you about the effectiveness of the report button but appreciate you sharing your opinion.
Im not talking about myLot banning anyone on someone elses word, im talking about members that outright name others not only to try to persuade mylot to deject or whatever a member, but to incite others to form an opinion on another member without providing evidence, and using insinuations and allegations based on personal past altercations and so forth.
@hoghoney (3747)
• United States
12 Mar 07
I think it is wrong and we should remember that this is a place that we can come and make new friends and visit with old friends. it is a place that a person can come and express their self or to get help from friends or just to have fun and get away from the humdum in their lives at home or the outside world. I have not been here that long to see any of this stuff and I hope that I never have to. I you have a problem with someone then just dont visit their profile or post to any of their discussions so that there is no argument about anything. That is one thing wrong with the world now people bashing other people.
@Bizziebod (3497)
•
31 Mar 07
I agree with you on this, I think people who do this are just trying to get other people on side. I do feel sorry for people who have been victimised but they should just report it to mylot and hopefully they will do something about it. Life is tough as it is, without making enemies on a site that is meant to be enjoyable. Hopefully mylot would do something about these bullies, afterall that's what they are!
@Stringbean (1273)
• United States
5 Mar 07
So far I have not encountered more than one or two arguments here so I just choose to ignore them. If we don't read them, maybe they will go away.
The ones that really bother me are the people who think I have no right to voice my opinion on a subject, and they just go on and on about how dare I write such drivel. I don't let myself get too bothered. If mine is drivel to him, maybe his is drivel to me. It is all in the eyes of the beholder. Politics and religion seem to be the places that bring out the most nasty comments.
@megs85 (3142)
• Australia
5 Mar 07
I agree about the politics and religion.
I believe EVERYONE is entitled to an opinion, and try to respect it, but there are sooo many narrow minded people here who like to play teh victim when confronted with an opposing viewpoint.
I have stood back and watched "wars" as some members refer to them erupt around me and "ignored" them as you suggested, but now Im a very cranky girl... and wanted to get others views.
SO do you think members that outright name others in an effort to bring them "bad publicity" should be banned?
@Whiskeyswiller (32)
• Canada
5 Mar 07
If you don't like seeing something, ignore it or turn your computer off. There's no need to go off like a drama queen.
You can walk away you know. You can ignore. You have the power. You don't need regulation so that your delicate senses aren't offended.
Take up origami perhaps?
@megs85 (3142)
• Australia
5 Mar 07
Number one, I dont think there was anything in my post that screamed "drama queen" and perhaps if you didnt like what I wrote you could have skipped this discussion "You can walk away you know" ;)
Anyhow I have been here from 'almost the beginning' and don't feel like walking away from something I feel I helped build and grow because narrow minded, ignorant hypocrites cant handle an opposing opinion and dont know how to follow 'guidelines'...
I'm not exactly delicate or overly sensitive and am quite able to stand up for myself, but thanks for the concern "mate"
The point is that if there are going to be "rules" they need to be enforced.
Now I dont know if youve even read anything Im talking about, or had any experience with any of this thus far, but maybe you should wait a little bit before forming preconceived notions and spurting judgements, and trying to insult me... lol
FTR Im not insulted or offended but nice try buddy, you'll get there one day.
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@megs85 (3142)
• Australia
6 Mar 07
Wow, whats the betting someone is a previously banned member? Because you seem to have some extremely concrete opinions for someone with only 22 posts.
And if you don't like it here, why are you here? Money? That desperate for a few cents?
I'm still not offended, but keep going, you think you can do it lol, I think you're dreaming. Thats beside the point.
Anyhow unless you have something relevant to the topic to say, or soemthing else you feel you need to contribute to the discussion, I'm a little bored with 'wars' and as my point was in the original post I think anyone intentionally trying to start one should be banned...
You never did get around to answering that though in your response that was oh so relevant to the topic lol...you just came in here trying to start one
Have a good one "mate"
@Whiskeyswiller (32)
• Canada
6 Mar 07
I wasn't trying to offend you. I can do that with little effort. I was staying on point of topic.
I do think it's funny how thin skinned you are though.
And the level of pride you seem to take in "building" a phony baloney site where all the conversation is forced and artificial is both delusional and sad.
Delusional because it's not true, and sad because it's not much to be proud of.
@shakemiester (38)
• United States
5 Mar 07
I can understand what you are saying, but I don't understand why first names wouldn't be allowed, it's not saying anything about where they live or what their social security number is or anything. But the rest I pretty much agree with you on.
@Asylum (47893)
• Manchester, England
5 Mar 07
I have seen a few heated discussions at Mylot, although not for some time now. The naming of another member is something that I have not encountered, but I agree with you and for the very reasons that you state. To name someone would constitute a direct accusation of guilt without any form of trial and should not be allowed. The only time that a member should be named would be in a direct complaint to Mylot, not in an open forum.
@tarachand (3895)
• India
11 Mar 07
There's been only one flame war where I was a victim, and the fault was all mine. I'd missed typing the word 'not' and that caused me a lot of grief. Suddenly I has a whole lot of guys and gals jumping on me and insulting race, family and country, and then unfortunately I lost my cool and retaliated, and I am ashamed to say that I implied some very isulting things that seemed to be more terrible than the direct insults, vulgarities and the abuses and bad words that I received. Someone saw the war and reported on it, and suddenly, I found that mylot had banished a lot of these guys and I was missing around 40-50 points. I think I don't have a 10 rating because of this war.
Now, when someone is insulting I just avoid responding or reacting. Maybe the person juts ahd a bad day and was venting, so I don't let these things ruffle me anymore, and I am going to rate a plus for this discussion, it deserves one, methinks.
@bharti_regan (665)
• India
5 Mar 07
ya i also encounterd with such a problem...last time when i was using one id then some fellow just gave me many -ve ratings..and dont know what he complained to the mylot and my id was blocked....well its really a gr8 loophole in mylot community...i hope that mylot should take care that fake users do not give -ve ratings to someone who does not deserve it....
@tammyr (5946)
• Etowah, Tennessee
5 Mar 07
I do see some flaming and i know it gets bad at times. The only option we have is to report it. Do not get into a debate about it, just report it and go on. If you debate about who is wrong and who is right you but your self on the same level with them and risk deletion your self.
I have never heard of someone getting banned because someone reported them for a violation when there was none. Mylot does look into the reports of abuse. They do not just block an ID because some one said they were cheat or spamming they check to be sure.
