What do you know about REAL ID Act?

Real ID - Real ID card
@polachicago (18716)
United States
March 13, 2007 6:57pm CST
The federal government has taken another step towards forcing you to carry a national ID in order to get on airplanes, open a bank account, enter federal buildings, and much more. Once in place, uses of the IDs and database will inevitably expand to facilitate a wide range of tracking and surveillance activities. It will cost 23 billion dollar. It may store your credit history, medical history, travel data and more. According to a statement released on March 1 2007 by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), states will now have until December 31, 2009 to implement the regulations of the Real ID act. Do you support Real ID or do you think it is against American freedom?
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• Austria
14 Mar 07
here in Austria, when you move you have unregister from the town you're leaving and you have to register in to town you are moving to. You cannot rent a house, get electricity, a phone, buy a car or anything without your registration form. This is so the government knows where to find you. Nobody minds this. Except maybe the criminals or the men who wish to skip on paying child support, because they are easily found and forced to make their payments.
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@polachicago (18716)
• United States
15 Mar 07
This is something different. Registration form is ok, Real ID creates more problems than benefits.
• United States
14 Mar 07
I personally support this. A huge problem is when you go from state to state every state has a different driver's license. There are some bars and clubs in some states that won't let you in with an out of state driver's license unless you have some other form of ID as well. A national ID will prevent that from happening. I also think that driver's license laws should be a national standard and not a state by state one. The biggest problem currently is someone can have a suspended license in 29 states, go to state 30, and get a legal license. The states are not connected together with driver's license systems and there's no law or statutes saying they have to. A national driver's license will help to prevent that. Do I think this will add to tracking us? It will add to knowing what some of us do, but there's really no purpose in it. It will help to track the criminals though. I think too many people are worried about big brother watching them. But what purpose does it really matter? So they know what laundry detergent you buy. It's not like they can give that info out to Tide. The government's rarely abuse powers on the good citizens. When they do, it's a total accident and usually very small scale. What people should be more worried about is the private industry not protecting your data. That includes the health care industry losing computers with your medical records on them among other incidents.
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@polachicago (18716)
• United States
14 Mar 07
When it created the Department of Homeland Security, Congress made clear in the enabling legislation that the agency could not create a national ID system. The REAL ID Act creates a de facto national ID card. It will cost $23 bilions. $5999 per head. Just to much to get into nightclub in different state.
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@patootie (3592)
17 Mar 07
Personally I reckon it would just be simpler to be microchipped at birth ... and don't laugh because it was a real suggestion made at an International Security Convention only a few years ago ... The Government is trying to bring in ID cards here in the UK .. there are some good intentions behind the bad stuff .. but until they can make the ID cards fraud proof (practically impossible) then I see no real value in spending vast fortunes to implement it .. The honest folks will carry the card ... which is a waste of tax payers money in setting up the system as the honest folks don't need 'tagging' ... and the less law abiding folks will soon find a way round the system ... which will just make a mockery of governments spending billions of tax payers money to bring in the new ID cards ... It's a lose/lose policy that no one wants ..
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@polachicago (18716)
• United States
18 Mar 07
This is exactly how I feel...
@jayperiod (870)
• United States
14 Mar 07
If you've been to other countries, you can't go anywhere without your passport. You have to have it to travel by bus, train, plane, etc. That applies to people of any age, as well. Here in the US, we are just so used to not having to show any of that. Using something like this to keep illegals out of the country would be a great idea. In my state, Tennessee, no one is required to show proof of citizenship to get a driver's license. It's ridiculous. Illegals shouldn't get that privilege. Also, this would put the breaks on Bank of America giving out credit cards to illegals. As for other information, it's quite possible that will happen, regardless of what we think or want. It's just the way things are headed. I'd hate it and fight it as hard as I could. It would likely be quite a ways off before it would show up on an ID, though.
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@Signal20 (2281)
• United States
14 Mar 07
I just got a TN license last year, and I did have to show my SS#-proof of citizenship. Also had to show a birth certificate, as well as 2 proof's of address, as well as my out of state license. Maybe it was different when you got yours, seeing as you only need to get it I think every 6 years or so.
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@polachicago (18716)
• United States
15 Mar 07
Driver’s license is ok to give to anyone. I agree not to give to illegal aliens credit cards and loans.
@adidas7878 (1891)
• United States
14 Mar 07
i would say i wouldnt mind they do that, but with your credit histroy and other personal information is too much, they just need normal stuff on the id plus maybe medical histroy just incase something happend to someone, travel data is ok too, but any other stuff i think it would be too much.
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@polachicago (18716)
• United States
14 Mar 07
Would you like to go shopping and have sale person scan your name and say..."O, is your heart ok now Mr. Smith?" Just think about....
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• United States
14 Mar 07
no not like that, for those you can pay with credit card, i though you know going on the airline and entering like ins or soemthing that they can check you, i dont agree on shopping or buying anything that has to reqiure more than a reuglar id
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@polachicago (18716)
• United States
14 Mar 07
your card can be scan for any reason....later on they will have all information in mandatory microchip...
@anabella (80)
• United States
21 Mar 07
I think that this is crazy idea. I am watching Real Id from very beginnig. It has something to do with Bush administration. Isn't SS enough?
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@polachicago (18716)
• United States
21 Mar 07
agree, ss is enough...
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@polachicago (18716)
• United States
22 Mar 07
yes, I know about it...good...:)
• United States
22 Mar 07
I just find out that two states are against and it is pending in 11 states.
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• United States
15 Mar 07
It's a total invasion of privacy as well as a violation of civil rights. They are going to say it's for our safety, blah, blah. Baloney! For our safety my eye. Take their mark at your own risk.
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@polachicago (18716)
• United States
15 Mar 07
...I couldn't agree with you more!
@emeraldisle (13139)
• United States
14 Mar 07
Many of us already have a State ID card of some sort, it might just be your driver's license but without one you cannot open a bank account among all the other things. You use it for a lot right now as it is. So instead of a state one we have a Federal. I don't see the big deal with it. Right now you can have bad credit marked against your state ID, most people cannot read this. I doubt if they do make the federal one where it stores your credit and medical history it would be accessable to anyone with a scanner. They would have to have the appropriate scanner and program to access that information otherwise it would be a breach of privacy. Right now to do many things like travel on any commercial transportaiton you have to show ID of some sort. You have to show an ID to do a lot of things. Even getting a membership at Blockbuster you often have to show at least 2 forms of ID. It's not that new of an idea. It's just instead of having a state one it would be Federal. Many countries throughout the world have a Country ID. It's not broken down by areas in the country. They have just one for the whole country. Why shouldn't we have the same?
@polachicago (18716)
• United States
14 Mar 07
It is not that easy. Real card will store all private information and will be accessible by everyone. It will have you full social security number, your credit score, your medical records, your last 10 years of employment, last 10 years of residence and maybe how much money you have in your bank. This is just first step before mandatory microchip for everyone. ID cards in other countries are totally different and we can not compare it to Real ID proposal.
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@polachicago (18716)
• United States
15 Mar 07
wikipedia has only dry information. http://www.heraldextra.com/content/view/210057/3/
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@SageMother (2277)
• United States
14 Mar 07
This is one of those issues that they are slipping by us while they keep us worried about our weight and blood pressure. They are screwing us out of our freedoms and most people are worried about the cholesterol. I am totally against this new level of surveillance. We already have driver's licenses and are expected to have them with us, or a state id, at all times. I think that if we are required to have yet another form of id, I wil take some steps to make the thing unreadable by any scanners it might be exposed to. Lets face it. They will make it so you don't have to pull it out to show anyone. They will just have it made to send a signal where ever you go, while its sitting in your wallet or purse.
@polachicago (18716)
• United States
15 Mar 07
"Real ID creates legitimate privacy concerns. If the cards use RFID technology to read them -- radio beams -- authorities could scan people from a distance and track their movements. Such surveillance capability gives us pause."A cashier may want to verify the information on your check, but merchants could use data scanned from a machine-readable card to put you on a mailing list. Unfortunately this has already happened. A night club in New Jersey recently got into trouble when it used a bar-code reader to obtain data from 15,000 people's driver's licenses. The club's owner told patrons that the cards were only scanned to spot fake IDs, but in reality the machine compiled all the names and addresses for marketing campaigns." by Daily Herald
@emeraldisle (13139)
• United States
14 Mar 07
It's not another form of ID. It's just that they are requiring the states to have a set standard on their ID's. So that they are all the same. They are also making it so they are linked between states. So if your license is taken away you can't just go to another state and say "No I never lost the right" and get a new one there.
@mipen2006 (5528)
• Australia
14 Mar 07
The word 'FREEDOM' should be struck from all American dictionaries. There is no freedom there anymore, or what little there is will be taken when these new regulations are implemented. You cannot say what you like, or you will have some radical group taking you to the cleaners. You can't go where you like, unless you comply with certain regulations, and all this time you're getting how democratic regimes are much freer places than dictatorships.
@polachicago (18716)
• United States
14 Mar 07
now you see why I want to move to Tropical Island........will not forget my apple...
@liranlgo (5752)
• Israel
14 Mar 07
this is a really difficult question here. because in my opinion it does interfer with the difinition freedom as it is defined by me. so i went to the wikipedia and decided to see if this act does "darkens" the definition of freedom and discovered that the definition as we know is not as defined by the state. "the right, or the capacity, of self-determination as an expression of the individual will." the moment there is the word "right" in the definition it means: legal or moral entitlement to do or refrain from doing something. the problematic word here is legal. the government will decide for us what to do at such cases and they have the right to do this act. it is against my personal believe because my definition to freedom is the ability to act without restraint as long as it dosn't "step on" moral codes. so do i support real id ? no i do not. but do i think it will be? yes i do.
@polachicago (18716)
• United States
14 Mar 07
....can we bring back good old America? so far 2 states are opposing real id. we will see.
• United States
14 Mar 07
This idea is scary but it does have some pros to it. Stored medical history could save someone's life especially of they show up at the hospital unconscious.
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@polachicago (18716)
• United States
15 Mar 07
Medical is seperate issue....but I am not sure if I want all records on one card...
@akotawala (134)
• India
14 Mar 07
i think that real ID act if implemented would not create any harm in it, as it is for security point of view for both the americans and America. Alougth i don't belong to America but these kinds of acts should be implemented in each and every country of the world.
@polachicago (18716)
• United States
15 Mar 07
I am not sure you know much about it....
@greylady (153)
• United States
14 Mar 07
Sounds kind of like being required to wear a tracking device or maybe a dog license. Credit cards and driver's licenses get lost or stolen all the time. I don't suppose an ID card would be much different. Snagging someone else's card would just make identity theft more complete.
@polachicago (18716)
• United States
15 Mar 07
...next step is mondatory microchip....
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
14 Mar 07
well from just reading this I would think it is against our freedom really this is taking it to far to be free
@polachicago (18716)
• United States
14 Mar 07
yes, they take it to far....
• India
14 Mar 07
no
@godhand (38)
• Italy
14 Mar 07
IMHO is good for the governament to find movements and to pay taxes... in a state like the USA where you can detract from taxes all your expenses is acceptable but not in athore state like mine, fortunally here don't is this problem at the moment
@polachicago (18716)
• United States
15 Mar 07
I don't think you can detract form taxes in states...