Science, God and Religion!
@Chiang_Mai_boy (3882)
Thailand
13 responses
@Fargale (760)
• Brazil
15 Mar 07
Science is a process of inquiry into the NATURAL world.
Gods, by definition, would be supernatural beings. Not subjected to natural laws. Therefore, it's impossible to try to use science to prove the existance (or not) of a god.
That said, if there was some strong and clear evidence that a god exists, I might reexamine my belief. Until then, I see no reason to believe in the existance of any of the gods that several people believe in.
@DeenaD (2684)
• United States
16 Mar 07
Chiang - the word "supernatural" does not refer to that part of nature which we have not yet explored and catalogued. It means that which is beyond and above the natural world. Outside of space and time as a little boy is outside of his fish tank.
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@Chiang_Mai_boy (3882)
• Thailand
16 Mar 07
At one time we did not understand solar eclipses and the were a part of the supernatural. We now know what causes them and they fit into our natural world view. If the fish tank is big enough the little boy can climb inside.
@Chiang_Mai_boy (3882)
• Thailand
16 Mar 07
If, in fact there is a God, and science were able to prove it then God would be a part of the natural world. The supernatural is that part of the natural world that we don't understand. Once we understand something then it is no longer supernatural.
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@omnithought (199)
• United States
15 Mar 07
If it were somehow provable, and if it were proven factually, then I'd believe in god.
But I still wouldn't believe in religion.
After all, even if one could prove god, it doesn't mean that Christians, Muslims, Jews or anyone else is right about what god is like or what god thinks, likes, wants, dislikes, etc.
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@Chiang_Mai_boy (3882)
• Thailand
16 Mar 07
I have no idea what God is. He may be the God of the gaps. Something that we have invented to fill the gaps in our knowledge that we do not yet have a scientific explanation for. He could be an outgrowth of our brain architecture that evolved during early human history. Are the people that believe in God correct in that the fact that we have the mental capacities for perceiving God means that it was God that put them there.
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@manong05 (5027)
• Philippines
16 Mar 07
It is the nature of science to investigate the reality of things around us based on scientific approaches of investigations i.e. making abstractions and hypothesis, conduct experiments and evaluate the results and compare. Mankind has been blessed with so many technological advances because of this. Historically, many beliefs have been changed due to the advances in science and this has been beneficial for mankind. However, science can not go beyond the realm of the natural, the concrete and the tangible. And it is on those realms where science could not reach, lies the object of one's belief and faith.
Beliefs and understandings are matters of the mind and perceptions, and a wise man can always change his beliefs if proven to be wrong. Science makes enquiries and attempts to understand the nature of man, his mind and its capabilities and is doing a wonderful progress.
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@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
16 Mar 07
It depends what this proof is lol. Science at times misses things and I like to back things up myself before I outright believe something.
Call me paranoid in my old age *lol*
Science says alot of things aren't possible or don't exist even though I do -- or at least according to a few supposed experts of science. Even though thermodynamics and physics..along with chemistry and often the very basic stuff of science usually backs me up on things easily.
So far it makes sense that a deity exists..I make my educated opinion on it though science first, history second, and put it into lore and spirituality thirdly..it's just my way.
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@Bytekeeper (372)
• Philippines
15 Mar 07
it will not change my beliefs. actually for me, Science and Religion are working together, they're coinciding with each other, first of all, there would be no science if there was no God (Who created all things), and there would be no religion if the scholars of religion did not used science as a tool. Ex.: a long issue for debate "The Truth of our existence, in science - EVOLUTION, in religion - CREATION". Well, both are true, there was creation then there is evolution.
@swetha2rani (341)
• India
15 Mar 07
Noway, my belief would never be changed with some science. It all depends on the kind of experiences one has in believing God. I never discriminate in religion, i do go to church and i do attend prayers at some of my muslim friends even if i dont belong to them coz' it all depends on the belief. Everyone has their own experiences n trusts. Nothing can change my belief.
@ZenDove (698)
• United States
16 Mar 07
If some being were presented to me and acclaimed by scientists to be "God" - I would check his i.d. to make sure his last name wasn't Bush! Seriously, I think that you are mixing apples and poodles when you mention "proof" and "belief" in the same sentence. One cancels out the other. Either I know it and can prove it or I believe it and don't need to prove it. Mythology and religion are designed to be "proof" proof. They are faith based. I do not know that there is a god and believing is for fairy tales...not the salvation of my supposed soul. So, the question becomes "Can I KNOW that there is a God?" The answer is No. To know something means it exists within the realm of the finite world - you can sense it, probe it, test it, measure it. God, by definition, is infinite. It cannot be contained within the finite. Therefore, I cannot know that there is a God because I cannot contain God. Emotionally, I can believe that God contains me but that is all it is - emotion and sentiment. Nothing wrong with emotion and sentiment but, again, I would not base the salvation of my soul upon it.
@romel_ece (1290)
• Philippines
15 Mar 07
It will not change my beliefs.Even at my younger age I do believe that God exist and He is always at our side watching over us.I believe that science exist because of Him.What science is trying to impart us is that they want to prove some people that who are not believer to God or those having a little faith from god.
@Sunlightboy (158)
• China
17 Mar 07
God?Exist in the distant ancient times,now back in their mouths today's society very few people mentioned the word of God.Only some religious people back Leon worship God.An old saying that God will bless your life and prays no harm!
@Lailamaria (109)
• Sweden
16 Mar 07
Dear friend
I hope you are still there in this discussion. I have many things to say, but the main thing about religion is Love.This force is eternal and holds all things and beings together. And it feels wonderful.
If there is no love in a religion, it is quite empty. The other part of religion is social teachings which changes from age to age, according to the exigencies of time..
Love will never change, this is the eternal part of Religion. But when we don't feel love any more in the religion, (for many reasons) we start talking about proofs and the like. We can sink into quarrel even. About religion.
Where is love felt?.... you know that.All kinds of love, also Gods love to us is felt by the heart.As well as our love for Him. The heart is Gods abode in us, that is His place of revealing Himself. That way we will know God.Without material proofs. Still your eyes get clearer sight, that is you get insight, you do that when your heart is cleansed of worries. Don't we discover many more important things when we are happy. Religion is there to mend hearts, longing hearts.And to give a clear vision and hopefulness. If you don't long for God...then He will not give you the answers you crave. He is always there though, cause He is the Cause of Causes (Buddhist term for God)and wants to love us, His creatures.
This is the verse that told me what I didn't know, it turned me into a believer. It is the words of Bahaullah (1817-1892) Founder of the Bahai Faith (The latest world religion, it is not a section of any other old religion):
"O SON OF BEING
Love Me that I may love thee, if thou lovest Me not, My love can in no way reach thee. Know this O servant."
We will know love if we are open to it, just as it is when somebody loves you. You have to be open for that persons love. Then you receive it.
OK Chiang
@Lailamaria (109)
• Sweden
16 Mar 07
Hello again
I should have added that I take evolution itself as a proof of the existense of God.(Bahai teachings) There is defenitely a force going through it, developing everything. That force is directed so that beings get developed, get better forms. If there is a direction, then there is a Will. The will of a Developer. The Buddhists call that Developer the Cause of Causes.
Other Messengers of God has emphasized the personal nearness of God,love, for exemple Jesus, but all these Messengers I mentioned gave lessons about One Creator only.
Bye again
Lailamaria from Sweden
@Chiang_Mai_boy (3882)
• Thailand
17 Mar 07
I am still here. I wish that I could agree, in whole to what you say. The love part of every religion is there strong point but sadly after the love part there always seem to be conditions put on that love. In the end it almost always comes down to love all mankind BUT do all you can to impose our belief on the sinners that don't share our belief.
If all the religions of the world could content themselves with living the life prescribed by there belief system and not try to change the beliefs of others the world would be a lot safer place and filled with a lot more of the love you discuss.
Evolution does not need the hand of a creator or some supernatural force to direct it. It is a natural force determined by changes on a molecular level that ultimately lead to the success or failure of a species.
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@Fargale (760)
• Brazil
16 Mar 07
Laila, first of all I want to make it very clear that I do not deny that some religions have good aspects and encourage love and understanding. But just as well, many of these same religions also have their bad points that lead people to violence and intolerance too.
That said, I ask you: do you think that love can only exist alongside religion? Do you think that to be a good and loving person one needs religion? And why?
And finally, I disagree that there is a force directing evolution. There is not; evolution is but a natural process, like any other.