The -illegals- in the US are demanding rights. How absurd is that?

I totally agree with you on this issue! I wouldn't expect to illegally enter another country and have that country cater to me and my wants. I would enter it legally, the way it should be done, and fulfill the requirements that are needed to become a citizen. I expect the same of the immigrants coming here to the United States. It bothers me that my little family of 4 can't get assistance, but a person coming into the country that I am a citizen of, can get assistance with little effort. I'm a taxpayer, but yet, I don't qualify for many of the programs that MY taxes paid for, but, yet, MY taxes are paying for someone else to get help, who doesn't pay taxes. I really hope that our next President can make some changes that will benefit the citizens of the US more.

First of all, I must say that I agree for the most part. People are sneaking across the borders and taking jobs for 2 to 3 dollars per hour that and American citizen living in poverty would and could do and come close to surviving if they made minimum wage. So yes, they are taking jobs from citizens and I wouldn't say that they are doing the jobs that others don't want. They are doing the jobs that we can't afford to take for such low wages. It also bothers me that so many people work long and hard to get here legally and even if htey must take menial jobs they take pride in their work and they work hard. If a person sneaks over the border, they are given too much for undocumented status. But there are exceptions. I heard on Public Radio about a young woman who has lived here since she was 2. Her mother brought her here illegally. She is now in her 20's and this is the only country she has ever known. She is compeletely bi-lingual and has been her entire life. She's in college now and wants to be a doctor. Because she is undocumented, she will never be able to legally work in this country. If she wants to become legal, she would have to move to mexico, a country that she has never known, and begin the process of attaining citizen ship. There are many people in this country who are like this young woman. Because their parents brought them here at a young age, they are forever illegal even though this is their only home. I don't agree with cross the board amnesty. I beleive that they should round them up at the day labor lines and the protests. But I think that there should be exceptions and a person such as the example above should have a way to attain legallity and not have to leave her home.

My thought is once they came here illegally they are criminals, thus they have no rights. They do not support the system. They do not pay taxes. Many do not add to the community they are living in. In fact many once here start knocking the US and it's people. They do not want to become part of this country, they want to keep their language, their ways but take what they can from here to benefit themselves. That should not be tolerated. My thought is round them up, put them on a cargo plane and take them back to their country of birth and let their people deal with them. If I snuck into another country they would not let me collect welfare, get medical treatment or protest what their government is doing. If I tried to demand that they do this they would laugh and then haul me off to send me home. Why should America be different from any other country in the world? Why should we bend over and kiss illegal's rear ends? I think we should also start hitting these companies that hire illegals were it hurts. Fine them in such ways that it hurts. That it means if they risk using illegals they won't still earn profits if they are caught. Americans will do these jobs, yes they want minimum wage and safe working conditions but those should be there anyways. Force these companies to stop using illegals to make higher profits. If the illegals can't get the jobs maybe they won't want to come.

Sometimes I think we are in the middle of reverse descrimination. We bend over backwards for the illegals and those native born or legal aliens get shafted. It really irritates me to see border guards in jail for doing their jobs. Here in Texas you almost have to speak Spanish to get a job. In certain areas, for example,El Paso is almost completely Mexican. My daughter and her husband lived there for a while. She could not find a job that did not require her to be bilingual. Here in Houston most of the construction jobs have hispanics doing the dirty work. Some of these are legal, some not.Texas even allows illegals to get cheaper college tuition. I dont like the idea of "guestworkers" What does that say to people who have entered this country legally and waited to do what is necessary. Some say that the illegals are willing to do the jobs we wont. Maybe the fact that the minimun wage has not been raised in ten years has something to do with it. Illegals already crowd our jails, hospitals and schools. Our taxes pay so they can get free medical care. I can't and I cant afford insurance. And on it goes...Now they want Houston cops to check for illegals at traffic stops,etc. That is not there job! But the Statue of Liberty says "give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses", just make them enter legally!

I am sorry to disagree with so many but I do. First we all came here in the first place from other countries. This after all was the melting pot was it not? We have a lot of our companies that go to other countries to put sweat shops in place where they can hire those people for less then what they would have to pay here. Is that fair to them or to people living here that need jobs? If you started boycotting them believe me you would have to boycott some of our larger companies. I know someone said they are taking jobs from our unemployed people but I am here to tell you the jobs that they "take" are ones our people won't do. Meat packing plants and cleaning rooms in a hotel are honestly not jobs many of us will do. I know because I managed 3 motels and yes they had papers however later on many I found out they were illegal. When I needed housekeepers there were very few if any that were nonhispanic that would apply for the jobs. When I did hire those that were not hispanic they were too slow, they caused way too much gossip and the rooms were not up to standards. As a manager I did not have time to babysit on all of those things. However my motel that had a surprise inspection quarterly got the highest marks when I had all hispanic housekeepers. I did not speak spanish so yes at times it was difficult to communicate but we always found a way. In time they taught me some spanish words and they learned english. Together we worked hard and had a beautiful hotel and happy guests. Do I believe those that worked for me earned their right to fair wages and a place to raise their children? You bet I do. I know my great Grandparents came over here from Ireland I cannot imagine what would have happened if they were sent away because of that or were not given any rights because of it.

I definately agree with you. I don't have a problem with people immigrating here by legal channels, but illegal is illegal, and as such they have no rights. In my home town, Hazleton, PA, the Mayor has been trying to enact an Illegal Immigration Relief Act, which will enact and enforce high fines on anyone who hires or rents homes to anyone illegal. Of course, the ACLU has stepped in and is trying to say that it unconstitutional and racial. It is not a racial issue at all, it is to try and combat the thousands of illegals who have entered that city. The job market there is depressed the way it is, legal citizens are having a hard time finding work, yet illegals come in and take the jobs. I know, I lived there all my life until a year ago, and I was one of those who had a hard time finding a job. Despite law suits that the ACLU is pressing against Hazleton, Mayor Barletta is pressing on with this. http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?p=3292 My great-grand parents immigrated here Legally in the late 1800's from Italy. They worked, they learned to speak English, they provided for their family and they did it with no free handouts.

Illegals are criminals. How do they have the nerve to act as if they are entitled? How do they figure that they are entitled? Has the USA gone mad for allowing this mess to go on? Certainly I would not allow them to protest or demonstrate. Yes you are allowed freedom of speach but I wasn´t aware that the Bill of Rights included ILLEGALS. Most countries do not allow this. You would not be able to go to my home country (In Eastern Europe) and expect or demand rights being illegal. They would have NO problem kicking your bum out quickly. USA is too soft and really should get strong and stop this nonsense. It is the only country I know of that allows people from other countries to come in, change things around and spit on their laws without reprecussions. Sheesh.

I just makes me plum mad that the illegals think they have right when their Mexico has it set up that we are someother country person is not welcome at all!Read my post on this http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/871553.aspx and see why it gets me mad

I'm annoyed about illegals demanding rights too. My son and I went through the legal channels and after 4-5 months of paperwork, fees, physicals, more fees, and then airfares to get to the interview, and then more paperwork and fees, we finally have permanent residence. Why can't they go through the same process too?! LOL

I TOTALLY agree with you on this one. If the illegals are given the rights to vote and to be treated as citizens, why be a citizen? The whole idea of rights in the first place is to give to citizens s group of (for lack of a better word) "perks" because we have an allegiance to this country. If someone crosses the borders illegally, and we give them special rights, we are not only condoning and pardoning their illegal act, we are in a sense REWARDING them for it!

They are lucky im not in charge. Those rallies would have been round ups let me tell you. Every single one of them would have been scooped up as they protested and shipped out. I would also just assimilate mexico and end it all. It would just be the united states. If there government wont do anything about it, then fine, i would just take them over, what struggle could they pose? What peves me even more is the demands and suits being filed against large companies for not making all there signs multi linguistic. In my opinion, i wouldnt go to another country with another language and expect them to change everything to my language, i would learn theirs. So why do we have to pout all this effort and money out making every little sign bilingual? If you come here, learn to speak the freakin language!

I have to agree. I didn't actually know about this, but COME ON. Its like the burglar who was breaking into someones house, but fell through the sky roof into the kitchen and landed on a knife on a chopping board, then sued the dude who owned the house. I don't live in the US, but I'd love to. I wouldn't move there illegally, but if I did, I certainly wouldn't go demanding rights. Gah.

ya illegal people can't be made to ask for rights as if they don't respect other lives why the hell they think we would think about themselves...

I agree that people who come here illegally should not demand, or be given, rights. There are many reasons, but the simplest reason is because it isn't fair to those who come here legally. The legal folks come here and jump through hoops, doing everything asked of them, yet it's the illegals that get all the assistance and rewards. Many illegals don't pay taxes, but use services, so they are a drain on the system. To then demand more is simply unbelievable.

I know what you mean, and I totally agree with you. It is just as bad here in Texas where many employers hire them because they are a cheaper form of labor.

*clears his throat and gets up on his soap box* Having grown up in Los Angeles county I've known and seen influx of Mexican immigrants, as now I'm the minority. Something people fail to think about when they see these sorts of demonstrations, is -why-. If you really want to know why the US has done very little about the border situation, it's because nearly 95% of the manual labor, janitorial work, construction, gardening, and contracted works are done by the extremely hardworking Mexican people. And it's -because- they're illegal immigrants, that they get paid lower then minimum wage, and untaxed. My god, what an advantage for the businessman! Cheap wages, with no taxes, and extremely hardworking people. Let's look at this realistically, they're not just going to up and leave after they've spent the last twenty some odd years doing all the menial tasks that no one else is willing to do. Now I'm not saying grant them all amnesty, but there's alot more to think about then simply the fact that they're here entirely 'illegally'. It's not like every law ever concocted has been perfect, let alone right. I really have no solution to the problem, and I'm not saying amnesty is the way to go, but sending them all back on a bus would -severely- cripple Los Angeles's ability to function. Just offering the other side of the coin.

On this, I have to agree. Illegals need to hop back across the border. They shouldn't have it better here, but for some reason, they do. I'm tired of having to fight for things that I need to survive for myself and my kids, when they get all these great jobs because they're bilingual and people are getting lax on checking for green cards and what not. They get less pay, but work more hours, so industries like Fast Food hire them before anyone else. I have an ex-brother-in-law that was here because of his kid, my niece. After she turned 18, he did his work to become a full fledged citizen. There are so many people that come here looking for a free ticket, and we're just letting them have it. Why are we so nice? Why are we waging war on a country well away from us, when we can't even settle things here in our own? This topic can actually bring up many controversial ones, and is a great debate topic. They come over here, they get our women pregnant, and then are allowed to be here for 18 years because of a kid. How is that fair? Though, my bil was married to my sister before his kid was born, so that's at least better...but still. They're doing things like this deliberately, and it's getting to the point where eventually, we're not going to allow any into our country, because we can't handle them. It's like me letting my friends that are down on their luck so to speak, stay with me for a year and not pay one thing, but provide food for the house. But if she was gone for a week at a friend's house, we had to do without because she wasn't going to give us food if she wasn't there. All this while I was struggling on my own to keep things going for my own kids. Why are we so nice? I think this sorta ties into something that SirMattias was saying, but along different lines. I still can't be blunt with that 'friend' and tell her to sod off. It's unfortunate, but sometimes, when you don't have much, you take what you can get... anyway... there's my take on it..

Sure, the illegals have rights: IN MEXICO! Get back in your own damned country; stay out of ours! Come here legally, learn the language, come back when you're smart enough to obey the law.

It's not just the Mexicans. There is a big debate in ireland because a lot of Irish immigrated illegally to the US, especially during the '80s and have established a life there. They are working, and raising families and paying taxes (how they manage that I don't know) but they don't have visas, so if they leave the country they can't return to the US. Here is the absurd part: they want the Irish government to intervene omn their behalf and have some special rule set upo for them, the illegal immigrants, just because they are Irish, or white, or have some special ancestral relationship or kinship with the US. The Irish government has attempted to help them, too. I think they should have to loine up like everybody else to get their visas and citizenship and follow the rules.