Do you consider 35% to be a pass mark in a subject?
By pilbara
@pilbara (1436)
Australia
June 12, 2007 4:40pm CST
This is our pass mark. There was a meeting a while ago as some people were concerned that we were "setting the bar too high". So knowing about one third of everything is enough to get you through.
I'm afraid I went through a system that did not consider anything less than 50% to be a pass - I believe that the idea was that if you know less than half of the things you should know then you should not be able to say you passed something.
My concern with having a pass mark that low is that it sets up unrealistic expectations for any students going to university where they would certainly not allow that kind of pass mark.
What do you think of this as a pass mark? Fair? Inadequate?
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@bestgirl2008 (183)
• Germany
12 Jun 07
if i got a 355 i don't think my parent and teacher would be happy and be proud o me 35% is like a f and it's a failing grade
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@muleofsociety (4)
• United States
13 Jun 07
Oh my god! That is HORRIBLE!
a D is a 65% here and they are going to make it higher.
I am glad the standards where I am are going higher.
A 35%! I have never heard of such a thing being a D!
What is an A, B, and C then?
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@pilbara (1436)
• Australia
13 Jun 07
I agree and yet some want to reduce the pass mark to 20% as they consider that 35% is too high.
An A+ is 90 or over
An A is 80 or over
A B+ is 71 or over
A B is 64 or over
A C+ is 57 or over
A C is 50 or over
A D+ is 44 or over
A D is 35 or over
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@raenie (705)
• Philippines
13 Jun 07
I do think that a 35% "passing" score is way too low. At least 50% score should qualify as sufficient to say that you passed a certain subject, otherwise it defeats the purpose of scoring a subject. It only reflects I think that the quality of education is also low, since it allows a lower score for a passing mark
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@raenie (705)
• Philippines
14 Jun 07
You're welcome =) & peace! Oops--my bad, I didn't mean quality of education--rather, the STANDARDS of a passing mark is low (you know sometimes you mean something else but can't get the right word??)--if the school is willing to lower the passing mark, I do think that they are trying to lower the standard as well--as you said since it seems that they are "setting the bar too high". I sure do hope that this 35% passing score doesn't push through since in the long run, students will not be as well-equipped especially when it comes to higher education. You have a nice day =)
@pilbara (1436)
• Australia
13 Jun 07
Thanks for your response. I agree about the score but I don't agree about the quality lacking. I know that I and my colleagues put a lot of effort into presenting a course that is sufficiently rigorous while simultaneously trying to present it in a way that people of varying abilities can understand it.
@RobinJ (2501)
• Canada
13 Jun 07
I have to agree that this very low to be considered any where near a pass mark. I know when I worked for a fellow we had to have a 98% proficiency in our work,any thing less he was fined and could have lost the contract, Only once in the 3 years did we fall below to 93% in one instance and he was not able to collect that job,he lost 21 hundred dollars because some one forgot to do something. In this high tech world, you need to be able to do and think far more and faster than when I was young.In those days it was months before you discovered you had made a mistake and it was found in an audit, now with computers and instant access to almost any where in the world, you error is noted immediately.So no 35% is not acceptable.
@seinfeld (184)
• India
13 Jun 07
hi there i am a student too and our passing marks is 50% which i think is very high cuz many people including me have trouble reaching that mark....lol...but on a more serious note i think it really motivates us to work hard we all need something to kick our butt to make us work...i think 35% is too low....except few genuine hard workers most people wud just want to get 35% and stay on the safer side which is very easy considering 35%...if i didnt even study i would get 35% marks...which i dont think is a good sign...i think higher the target higher are the goals and higher is your score....hope i was reasonable in the argument...take care...bye..
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@argie713 (1809)
• Philippines
13 Jun 07
I don't think 35% is a passing mark. It should be 50% and above. Students are expected to study. And if they go to class and listen to the professor, I don't think he would fail. Lazy students are the ones who fail. Going to a university is not a walk in the park.
@paradise12 (938)
• India
13 Jun 07
Well even i feel that the system should make 50%as a passing mark....
35%is really very less and the students won't have a fear and would not study well and i don't think they are getting any knowledge.....
@pilbara (1436)
• Australia
13 Jun 07
Thank you for your response. As I said earlier it is often a case of valuing what you are doing, or at least if you don't value it then at least having the self respect to want to achieve good results. There are some students who want to put in the minimum and still get good results and believe it or not they then become abusive when they don't get what they want. I had a nasty email from a student the other day. I would not pass them as they didn't hand in their work. Their mother then rang and said I was being unfair as the student wasn't badly behaved and would not see my point of view. She then rang and complained to my head of school, who also told her this student could not pass my subject.
@lingli_78 (12822)
• Australia
13 Jun 07
definitely not! in my home country, the lowest passing mark is 60% and it is still considered very low... here in australia, the passing mark is 50%... 35% is definitely not sufficient to be considered as a passing mark... it is way too low...
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@Marie2473 (8512)
• Sweden
13 Jun 07
That is definately to low, and here I think it is higher. 35% is not a good result, and I think 51% would be alot better to have as a pass-mark
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@bcl_me (582)
• Philippines
13 Jun 07
I think it very inadequate...passing a licensure require you to have 80% rating that in in my field whichis Electronics and Communications Engineering. So if at least the university should match it otherwise...the students would not be able to get used to a very high rating requirement and as a consequence they will not be studying much harder since the passing rate is to low...I myself will not study atudy at all since I am not aiming anything except to obtain a passing grade just to obtain my degree.
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@misheleen73 (6037)
• United States
13 Jun 07
Wow that is low. When I was in school, you had to have at least a D to be considered passing and that was set at 65%. And let me tell you that wasn't considered good either. My kids are in the same basic bracket, although I believe a D for them is now 60%. Allowing kids to only know a third of what they are learning and considering that to be acceptable is setting them up for future failures in life. How many employers do you knwo that would accept 35% as acceptable in any job? I think that is outrageously low.
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@pilbara (1436)
• Australia
13 Jun 07
Thanks for your response. I agree with you, I think it is far too low. Last year we had a huge meeting some (like me) saying it is far too low and others saying too high. Eventually we came to a consensus that the pass mark would be 50% starting at the beginning of this year. However, when we arrived back the powers that be changed their minds and said it would remain at 50.
I don't think it is setting good standards.
@LilyoftheThorns (12918)
• United States
13 Jun 07
Whoa whoa whoa! Kids can get 35% in their classes and they still pass?! No way is that fair! That is setting the bar way to low! Kids here have to at least get 60% to pass a class. 35 is just outragious! Putting it that low is not saying anything good about the children! Sorry!
@marifel1986 (179)
• Philippines
13 Jun 07
in our school, the passing grade is 65% and i heard that other universities have 75% as there passing grade. i think that 35% as a passing grade is too low but it really depends on what kind of school it is and what kin of teachers are teaching in that school right? if the teachers who are teaching are all geniuses and the subjects are really hard, then i guess, 35% is enough.... LOL...
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@Woodpigeon (3710)
• Ireland
13 Jun 07
I wasn't aware than anywhere considered 35 % to be a passing grade. I seem to be familiar with the same system that you are and that doesn't seem to be enough to 'get by'! It doesn't seem like a very good message to be sending out to students, that that is enough knowledge to have on any subject. I agree that when they get on to places where therre will be higher expectations, it really doesn't seem like they will be adequately prepared.
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@Candid_Ishida (659)
• United States
13 Jun 07
In my high school, the passing mark was 65% in all classes and anything lower than that was a failing grade. A student would have to repeat the class for getting a 64 or lower. In college now, I think it is 60% and 50% is the lowest passing mark I have ever known of. 35% is ridiculous! That is well below failing in my opinion and students with those kind of marks should be held back. No one could ever get by in my school with a grade like that.
@anonymili (3138)
•
14 Jun 07
I think 35% is a shocking percentage for a pass mark, why not just say get 10%? LOL! Honestly if you can pass at 35% that means there was 65% of stuff that you didn't know or they didn't consider important enough for you to know. Imagine a doctor only knowing 35% of symptoms, he/she'd be forever referring you to other doctors. Imagine your dentist only knowing how to do 35% of your filling and having to call another dentist in the finish the job. I know these are extremes but seriously 35%? Definitely inadequate! x
@malyarchuc (74)
• Portugal
13 Jun 07
well where i come from and in 9th grade
1%-19% is 1
20%-50% is 2
51%-69% is 3
70%-90% is 4
and 90%-100% is 5
@rakhii (1302)
• India
20 Jun 07
I would say 35% is nothing. A student should know atleast 50% to be declared as pass. knowing 1/3rd is nothing.
How can a student be moved to a higher class/grade when he know only 1/3rd of the previous class. This is unacceptable. What will he put into his next class from his previous studies? NOTHING....isnt it? What do you say?
@celestemichelle (429)
• United States
13 Jun 07
Wow, in my high school the grade scale was:
A - 93
B - 85
C - 77
D - 70
anything below 70 was failing. however, to actually fail a regular, non-honors class, you basically had to sleep through every class. Even if you never did homework or outside reading you could probably pass.
At my college the grade system is on the 10 point per grade scale with 90 and above being an A, and below 60 failing.
@tangylot (73)
• Australia
12 Jun 07
I'm a student and I definitely dont want the pass mark to be too high. However when you take this thought into consideration, it worries me a lot... and sometimes 50% is just way too low to be a pass.
Take this situation for example:
say if a Pilot got 51% as a pass for his/her flight simulation...
then if you think about are we at a very high risk of danger?
Does this mean 49% of the time he /she will crash the plane? lol...
However your pass mark might be 'Fair' if the work standards are very hard... say youre doing exceptionally hard maths but I REALLY DOUBT THIS...
so if it concerns you, you might be able to send a letter to the school with the example i gave you.
[I wish the pass mark for my subjects were 35... id be able to spend more time here on MyLot xD]
@Flamechampboom (222)
• United States
13 Jun 07
My mom told me when she was a student in India, her passing grade was anything 32+. She told me that India is way harder than America. We have textbooks that we have tests on every chapter. She had tests on the whole book.