Do animals experience suffering?
@soulsister_16 (738)
Switzerland
August 4, 2007 11:53am CST
We can never really know, but what do you guys think?
And what animals can and can't do? I mean a worm doesn't have a brain so I don't think it can. We assume big animals can because we observe what appears to be suffering, but we can't see insects in pain so we don't mind stepping on them.
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@Lydia1901 (16351)
• United States
15 Aug 07
I am sure that they do after all they are part of this world and this world is full of a lot of sufferings.
@soulsister_16 (738)
• Switzerland
4 Aug 07
My friend argues that a worm actually has a brain, a very primitive brain which is not much more than a clumping of nerve cells yet it does function to an extent. The question is, does the brain of a worm makes it capable of suffering?
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@soulsister_16 (738)
• Switzerland
4 Aug 07
See, that's the confusing thing. With big animals, we can tell if they are suffering by the sound they make and their 'expressions' but with very minute animals, it's justr eally hard to tell.
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@soulsister_16 (738)
• Switzerland
4 Aug 07
See, that's the onfusing thing.
With big animals, we can tell if they are suffering by the sounds they make and by their 'expressions' but with minute animals, it's almost impossible to tell.
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@rosie_123 (6113)
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5 Aug 07
Well yes of course they can. If they can feel pain, then they can suffer. Certainly with larger mammals, they have a heart, a liver, and kidneys, ears, eyes, and red blood just like a human being. If you cut them, they bleed, and if they are hurt then they cry. And with that physical pain, goes mental anguish and suffering. Even insects, fish and birds have a capacity for suffering too. In my opinion, all living creatures can feel fear and pain, which is why I am vegetarian, and cannot cope with the idea of hunting, fishing, killing,or eating other living flesh. Everything has a right to kindness, compassio, and respect in my view.
@massaj03 (4367)
• United States
5 Aug 07
Of course I don't have esp..but in my opinion I think ALL animals, insects, etc..do suffer and feel pain as we do. I think it's horrible that people just don't care most of the time. Not that I am perfect, I've killed my share of bugs in my life as well, but once you think about it..they were put on earth for a reason too..Is it our place to say when they leave this world..?
@danishcanadian (28953)
• Canada
23 Aug 07
What do you mean a worm does not have a brain? Even a fly has a brain, it's just very small. The animals with the smallest brain feels the basic feelings of pain, no pain, illness, health, hunger, and so on, whereas animails like dogs and cats and other mammals, etc. have morecomplex emotions, and humans have the ability to analyze these feelings.
@soulsister_16 (738)
• Switzerland
23 Aug 07
Just a repost of my response to one of the comments: "My friend argues that a worm actually has a brain, a very primitive brain which is not much more than a clumping of nerve cells yet it does function to an extent. The question is, does the brain of a worm makes it capable of suffering?"
So, thank you for answering the lingering question.
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@lkbooi (16070)
• Malaysia
5 Aug 07
I believe all creatures no matter how big or how tiny the size they are they do experience pain and suffer just like us, the human being. We could not know exactly as we couldn’t go into their world. I like animals but I don’t keep any fish or birds because I know it’s unfair for them to stay in a bird cage or an aquarium. I prefer them to fly freely in the air or swimming happily in the vast river or sea. I like planting flowers and vegetable I believe plants could be susceptible to pain. I feel sorry when I’m cutting my vegetables for preparing dish.
@santuccie (3384)
• United States
5 Aug 07
You bring up a decent point. Tiny bugs are pretty easy to kill since their pain isn't that easy for us to see, at least not usually. One time I experienced a creepy coincidence when I told someone that black widow spiders hang out in dark, low-traffic places. As I was saying this, I was leaning on the wooden railing of the back porch, when I "popped" something with my middle finger. I looked to see what it was, and...wait for it...it was a black widow!!!
The popping sensation I had felt was from popping the poor spider's abdomen. It dragged itself along with a limp, which is more than I would do if a car ran across my back. But I could tell just by watching it that it was in pain. It's movements told more of the story than the plain fact that it was dragging its butt along; these movements had agony written all over them. I took my shoe and put it out of its misery.
People with advanced diabetes or arthritis tend to be clumsy, in part because their sense of touch is largely diminished. I cut halfway through my left hand with a radial arm saw almost four years ago, severing the index finger. Microsurgery put my hand back together, even restoring use of my finger. But my typing tends to be a bit more erroneous, because I don't always know quite where my finger is. And I've been typing for the better half of my life.
Nerves play a big role in dexterity. The ability to sense pressure, heat, and texture also enable one to feel pain when certain thresholds are exceeded. Bugs might not be able to reason, or speak in polyphonic dialects, but they know pain, just as well as they know their four basic needs.
@soulsister_16 (738)
• Switzerland
5 Aug 07
Very well said.
In fact, there was a study done by Sneddon that found that fish experience pain.
The team compared the behaviour of fish that had either bee venom or acetic acid injected into their lips with animals that had received harmless saline.
The fish given the nasty chemicals showed clear signs of physiological stress, the researchers found. They took 90 minutes longer to resume feeding and their rate of gill breathing was characteristic of a fish swimming at top speed.
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@derek_a (10874)
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5 Aug 07
If I was in hospital and in pain after an operation, I would not consider myself as suffering because I would accept the pain as a part of the healing process. Therefore, I would say the difference between my suffering and non-suffering is acceptance.
If I was to lose a love one, I would consider that as suffering, because I would want him/her to come back and the suffering would not cease until I could accept that they were gone.
Therefore, how can we begin to know if an animal is suffering, because communication is so limited. If an animal is in pain, how can we know if it is in acceptance or not? Suffering seems to begin when we desire to change something that cannot be changed. Buddha, in his enlightenment said that the cause of all suffering was desire.. I don't think he was wrong here.. :-)
@soulsister_16 (738)
• Switzerland
5 Aug 07
Very well said.
Ultimately we can guess whether animals feel pain based on how similar their anatomical makeup is with ours and how similar their behaviour is to ours. Science suggests that animals are sufficiently similar to us both biologically and behaviourally, so I see no reason why we must doubt that animals feel pain, anymore than we must doubt that other feel pain.
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@vicki2876 (5636)
• Canada
4 Aug 07
They totally can suffer and feel it. I am a vegetarian and think that some animals suffer terribly in production of meat products. I don't put down people who eat meat. My man is a hunter and fisherman and he does eat meat and that is his choice but not mine and that is fine.
But also other animals suffer.
Our BabyBJ is missing my daughter who has been at camp for a week now. He goes into her room and cries and cries. When I pull into the drive way he is crying at the door and when we let him out he looks for her then back in her room and cries. He is suffering without her bad.I give him lots of loving but she is his momma and he misses her so much.
@ninsensei (232)
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5 Aug 07
I'm not sure I would call pain and suffering the same thing, but it does seem apparent that at least certain animals (I can't think of any mammal that doesn't display pain behaviour). I would argue that pain is not a good thing to experience and as such we should try to avoid inflicting pain to others. Essentially, if we don't know if they can feel pain, we could assume they can just in case.