One of the Great Mysteries of Life

@pyewacket (43903)
United States
August 12, 2007 1:50am CST
I was just reflecting on something. Why is it, when one uses a credit/debit ATM card that is based on your checking account funds, and you use it, the amount you've used is deducted almost instantaneously, yet if one puts funds into an account, either by a check or say you transfer money you have in a PayPal account the money can't instantly transfer just as fast? I mean it's all done electronically either way --so do you find this one of those ironies of life..that your money sure as heck gets deducted fast enough, but one has to wait maybe days for the money to be in your account? Oh, the ironies and mysteries of life...LOL
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@rosie_123 (6113)
12 Aug 07
Oh yes - that is definately something I have pondered on many times too. I guess what it boils down to is that the Manks have to make their money somehow, and they mainly make it by hanging on to other peoples' money in some kind of "clearing house" where it earns interest for them and not for their customers! Here in England it normally takes 3-4 days for a cheque to clear, and if you make a payment to a credit card or anywhere else online, it also deducts from your account straightaway, but takes up to 7 days to credit the other account! As you say - one of those great mysteries in life!
@rosie_123 (6113)
12 Aug 07
Oooops - of course I meant Banks - not sure what Manks are. LOL!
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
13 Aug 07
Heheh...manks..think you just invented a new word..LOL Must be different there then, at least here if you deposit a check the first hundred of it is available the next day..at least in theory
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@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
12 Aug 07
The answer is simple, pyewacket. When they're taking money from you there is an urgency, however, when it's you that is receiving the money there's no rush. They figure you're not in a hurry to receive that money, lol. Another of lifes little inconsistencies. When it comes to them, they want theirs right now, but you're just the consumer.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
12 Aug 07
Oh...sad but true...we just lowly consumers...LOL
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@brendalee (6082)
• United States
12 Aug 07
I have never really thought about that before. It sure is a mystery. I'm sure there is a logical explanation.lol
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
13 Aug 07
There must be a logical explanation, just haven't figured it out yet
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• Australia
12 Aug 07
The same thing happens in many areas. When the oil barrel price goes up, the petrol price rises immediately. When the oil barrel price goes down, the petrol price stays the same for a weeks or so - or until it goes up again.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
13 Aug 07
That's certainly a true one! LOL
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• United States
13 Aug 07
This is something that has got to me is gas prices. I understand why it takes a few days for the prices to drop however there is no reason why the prices should rise immediately. They are to charge us according to the price they paid. Do they mean to tell us that oil barrel price went up so they rushed in another 50,000 gallons that day to justify their price hike? Where I live we are lucky, the day we heard oil prices dropped(last week) 4 of the gas stations on my road went from $2.63 down to $2.59. However in the same town about a half mile away the prices are still $2.69.
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
12 Aug 07
If the check you are depositing is written on an account with the same bank, it usually goes through the same day, but otherwise, they will take a couple of days to credit you with it. One reason I think that they do this, is that if you have debits come in after that deposit but before it is credited, they can still charge you for insufficient funds fees if you are in overdraft without the deposit. Banks make about 56% of their income on penalties and fees charged on things like bounced checks, ATM fees and even fees they charge you to use the human teller (some banks actually do this). I am disappointed in the length of time it takes to transfer money from PayPal to a checking account and I too, think they could speed it up. I don't know what their reasons are, but probably it costs them less in administrative fees to take the long way, rather than do it instantaneously.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
13 Aug 07
This wasn't a check though...it was an electonic transfer of money into my account--yes Paypal does seem to take forever even though it is an electronic transfer...not exactly fair..right?
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
13 Aug 07
It does seem they are able to debit accounts a lot more efficiently than they can credit them. PayPal says the length of time depends on your bank's procedures, but other types of electronic transfers I have had sent to my bank account go through within 24 hours.
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• Canada
12 Aug 07
I'm not a great fan of banks, but their answer would be that this protects you, their customer, and prevents fraud, which protects the whole banking system. The theory is that until a cheque or other payment "clears", there is a risk that it will bounce, in which case someone loses. If you had already withdrawn the money, your account might be in overdraft - which at the very least would cost you a hefty service charge. If the clearing process were faster, this delay wouldn't be necessary. The reason a withdrawal goes through so fast is because there is no question about it: you've spent the money, it's gone. For incoming money, until the cheque or payment clears, there is some doubt about whether the transaction will be completed.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
13 Aug 07
But that shouldn't be the case with electronic transfers of funds, should it?
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• Canada
13 Aug 07
I don't know how long it will be before the majority of transactions - electronic ones - clear right away. You are right in thinking electronic funds transfer should speed things up.
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
12 Aug 07
Do you know I actually asked this at the Bank once and they could not give me an answer lol
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
13 Aug 07
That's funny--the bank didn't know?? LOL
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@estherlou (5015)
• United States
12 Aug 07
All is the paper work, I guess. Got to keep the employees of the banks busy! LOL. Also...if you use your debit card as a debit...it goes out of your account immediately, but if you use your debit card as a credit card, it will go through the credit card process which takes several days to show up. Intersting, huh? I found out accidentally by using it at Sonic and seeing how it showed up in my account.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
13 Aug 07
As my one friend says all the time, if it weren't for paperwork, no one would have a job to do--LOL
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@Katlady2 (9904)
• United States
12 Aug 07
I think the institutions that we deposit our money into like to hold onto it as long as possible. I think it gives them a power trip or something to that effect. Pretty sad isn't it? LOL
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
13 Aug 07
Yes it is pretty sad...
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• United States
12 Aug 07
Yep...amazing isn't it that electronic transfers only work one way..LOL..yeah right...
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
13 Aug 07
Yes...a bit unfair I think
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@ElicBxn (63594)
• United States
12 Aug 07
Because in that case the banks are earning interest on your money instead of you. If the bank is making money - they hold it, if they aren't, well, they pull it so they can.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
13 Aug 07
Gee if we had the interest the banks pulled in, we'd be millionaires, right?
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@misheleen73 (6037)
• United States
12 Aug 07
I have always wondered that myself. I once had to wait 7 days for a deposit to be available, but debits are instantaneous...lol. That has bugged me for forever. That and the way they charge you to talk to a live person about your account. Now you have to do everything via automated phone or else get charged.. lol. If you ever figure it out, be sure to let me know.... :)
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
13 Aug 07
Oh I hate those automated responses when you call..press 1 for this, press 2 for that..there's hardly any Press for a live person to talk to anymore...probably do that on purpose so we don't get to talk to them
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• United States
12 Aug 07
Yep I feel the same when I accidently overdraw myself they cant wait to rush and put that overdraft charge on there! I really wish at times I didnt have to deal with banks I get sick of them.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
13 Aug 07
Oh, don't tell me about it...my account was a bit overdrawn to,..because I was over a mere $1.97!! They sure slapped the fee on quick
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@thefortunes (2367)
• Netherlands
12 Aug 07
Well Pyewacket, the banks are earning on our money, and we do not get richer, yet they do. Qucikly to take our cash off, and slow to place it where it should be...
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
13 Aug 07
Oh how true that is, especially with all those fees they charge
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@lilaclady (28207)
• Australia
13 Aug 07
hmmm now that is something to ponder, I wonder if it has anything to do with this is in the best interest of the banks or maybe they have to double check or maybe triple check that there is actual real money behind the money put in, but it is funny how everything does seem to go their way. profit profit profit
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
13 Aug 07
But everything is done electronically so it should show up that funds are there--no????
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@Thoroughrob (11742)
• United States
13 Aug 07
They sure are fast to take, that is the truth. They get in no hurry to give though, do they. It is crazy.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
15 Aug 07
Oh how true! :(
@budsr03 (2350)
• Canada
12 Aug 07
Finding Hoffa would be easier to solve! lol! It took ten days to get money from my bank account to my paypal account, way too long! Since i didn't need it there,i want the money back in my bank account, another three to five day wait! Again way to long! Gee, where's the Pony Express when you need em? LOL! Take care Pyewacket.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
13 Aug 07
The Pony Express would definitely be faster..LOL!!
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@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
13 Aug 07
I started a new job a few months ago, one of the people that got hired went, started an account at the bank the company uses for their banking. She got her first paycheck, went to deposit it there and surprise...they put a 3 day hold on a check from their own bank. There is something definitely wrong there. The samething with credit cards, I bought something one time, in minutes the transaction hit my account, it took 7 weeks for it to get there when I returned it.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
15 Aug 07
That's weird...a three day hold? Do they have that policy where the first one hundred is available as cash? They do at least in my bank
• United States
30 Aug 07
any bank should be able to verify funds from one of their own accounts. i think the teller probably didn't know what they were doing. as far as the credit card purchase, the seller probably needs to get a new credit card or merchant service provider. both of these situations sound ridiculous from my experience. p.s. i think it is the law to make $100 available the next business day on a held deposit.
@pismeof (855)
• United States
12 Aug 07
Oh don't worry Pyewacket,The bank receives the funds alright but that gives them the time to use it without you using it.It's free money for them to play with for a couple of days invest it in whatever to cover the phony accounting that they keep.I think it's a scam that a lot of people never pay any attention to;at least not enough to get the government to do anything about.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
13 Aug 07
It is a scam in a way...we SHOULD be able to get our money right away
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@Daelin (683)
• Brazil
13 Aug 07
That's how the economy works. The stronger rules the world. Like in the jungle. I wish it could be a little more fair.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
13 Aug 07
I think we all wish it were more fair
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