Jane Fonda is at it again

He was voted in. The voting was no more rigged than it is during any other election. Furthermore, an indepent news group actually paid for a recount in the first election and found that Bush did win the popular vote by a small margin...so all of the talk about Bush stealing the election from Gore is nothing more than sour grapes on the part of the losers.

I should have said the voting was rigged in the second election. However, most Americans don't care what the heck is going on until it personally affects them. Nor does the lineup look any better for the next election.

Ther is a vast difference between a technical quirk and a rigging. if it was going to be rigged, than any vote for anyone else would have defaulted to bush. c'mon now, stop with the conspiricy theories and put in some real arguements.

I missed the part that said "and Cheney". I still say it's an attempt to overthrow a sitting president for no other reason then they don't like him.

Well this is from the same group of clowns with a 20% approval rating. Its from the same group of clowns that got upset when the American people actually rose up and told them that they did not want a suckerpunch law to go through. Yea, this is from the same group of people who are gung ho about curtailing the free speech rights of some, except those they agree with. Its the same group of clowns responsible for this that only care about power, don't care about the law, they don't care about the constituents and they are so beholden to their party and power they are willing to do anything, say anything and hide anything that doesn't suit them. I am of course talking about Congress. Both "parties". Its all a one party dance anyways, most of this is just power grabs and no real progress or growth anywhere. Power for them, bread and circuses for those they know won't pay attention. Where is the support for the common person?! I agree with you Destiny and you Mooch. It's just total nonsense it's like the Twilight Zone or something.

Worst part is some of the "candidates" from "both parties" aren't very promising. I'll just wait it out till the final ticket though. But still, whats the point its all the same government anyways (at least for now, that could change with either power worshiping pair in 08)

mamasan34, Ahhh another fellow military spouse coming out to say what so many civilians don't see. Isn't it mind boggling sometimes that we see what we do, and yet our husbands can't disobey the orders of this irresponsible commander in chief and they need the civilian sector to hold this President accountable to protect our men and women in service to this country from abuses of power, and so many of the civilian population are clueless to this and are still praising this President for getting us involved in an irresponsibly planned war, in a country that had nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism, but because of this President's personal and eager desire to invade Iraq full scale--it has now become a haven for terrorist groups to seep into and use the foul sentiment toward America to recruit, and if that wasn't enough there is a civil war going on...was this necessary, was this truly part of the "War on terrorism"? Everything out of the mouths of this President and his administration since they have been in power has to do with "terrorism"--it's a scare tactic to keep the American population in line and scared. mamasan34, I am so glad more and more of us voices behind the troops are coming out to say what really needs to be said for our troops. I always tell people in the civilian sect to pick up a copy of the "Stars and Stripes" (especially the Europe edition) and read the letters to the editor. They would be surprised to see and read the words of our enlisted and our officers at their dissatisfaction in this war waged on a lie for personal gain.

I too see a lot of unhappiness in our troops. They do their job and move forward because it is their duty, but unfortunately they aren't allowed to openly discuss their opinions frequently. There is not a lot of comment on this because it is so closed off from the civilian sector, but if civilians knew, truly knew what these men and women go through they would have to think long and hard about sending their own sons and daughters off to a senseless war. It hasn't hit close enough to home I don't think.

I hate to say this, but they are still killing each other regardless of whether our soldiers are there or not. I know this because my husband is over there watching it. Not only are they killing their own people, but now they are killing our men in women in uniform. This war is absolutely senseless, I support my husband for committing to his duty to his country, but I do not support this war. Bush has waged this war for his own personal gain. This war has absolutely nothing to do with right or wrong, or saving a nation. What is that old saying? Beware of a wolf in sheeps clothing.

"America is not wanted in Iraq, plain and simple" WRONG again. We are there at the discretion of the Iraqi government, elected by the Iraqi people. the only ones who DONT want us there is al quieda and the bathist insurgents. stop with the clihe's already ok.

Well said, RobinJ. Washington, Madison and Jefferson must be spinning in their graves over this Imperial Presidency! It is well past time to do what they did then. Depose King George here in America yet again. How much more damage will be inflicted on our great nation by Bush and his cronies in the next 16 months? It's practically a patriotic duty to take our country back NOW from our self-appointed King.

"How would you feel if some one were to enter you home and make demand to you that they do, do things their way, that they are Superior so they must be obeyed and followed like a good little pet. " Pretty angry. But it's happened to people tons of times via our local government. Only now they've decided to ignore things like the 1st amendment and just shut down or arrest anyone not "playing ball". Same with the Congress, they've already considered it too and have attempted some of the same nonsense. I do agree however that Iraq is becoming more of a ditch situation. Its obvious that the war has been/is being prolonged for financial gain (don't just mention Haliburton, that's been used by the White House for decades, its one part but not the whole deal). And its not just the Bush-Cheney combo getting off on this, their is Blum and Feinstein, various companies and a few others that have been smart enough to at least hide themselves -_-. Like I say, one-card monte featuring the Republicrats and the Democans and all the smoke and mirrors each side can muster. People keep doing what you are doing. Watch yourselves too and remain vigilant no matter your stance on these events.

I keep seeing Halliburton mentioned...FYI Halliburton has no interest in Iraq as they have divested themselves of that cleanup company several months ago. This was even on the news here at myLot a couple of months ago. The argument that Cheney is making a killing from Halliburton from Iraq is a myth. Halliburton has returned to it's original roots which is oil exploration, and the fact that Cheney once served as a company officer has no bearing on anything any more than a democrat having oil stock or similar things.

These are probably the first intelligent and cohereant points Ive seen made on the antibush front here. At least you attempted to do so intelligently and with out using cliche's, etc. Good evening madam. first of all, my hats off and deepest respect to your husband as well as my deepest gratitude for his service to this country. The one point of contention I think I have with your post is the following: "He is using this war in Iraq for personal gain, and quite obviously Cheney is benefiting from it because of his associations with the Halliburton company" This is a sophisticated version of the "no blood for oil" argument. If this were the case, most of the oil contracts would not have gone to other nations such as china and russia, we actualy got the short end of the stick on the oil deals. As for the rest I can see and sympathize with your issues. I'm not a huge bush fan for other reasons, but given the choices we had in the last 2 elections, what else were we to do. He truly was the lesser of the evils. I do admire his convictions in sticking to his decisions. As to wether or not we should have gone in to iraq, well, there we are, to pull out now would be a cataclysmic mistake. They will probably keep killing each other long after our part is finished but hopfully not nearly the level they are now. And the thanks we have recieved from the average joe (or should I say mohamed, habbib, etc) in the street there, is more than worth our presence there. After seeing an elderly woman proudly waving her purple finger in the air from the cart her grandson carried her to the polls in, I cannot help but think that if we made at least one life better, than we have'nt been there for nothing. Again madam, my deepest respect to you, your husband and your family and I pray for his speedy and safe return. Please let him know that most of the nation is behind him and are grateful for amazing men and women like himself blessed be

Yea a good point or few you make. I feel Iraq is dragging out too much and there is some corruption going on, but yes I've seen some of the good sides of it and know of others. And yea sometimes I'm too hasty with my responses to post everything, but I agree with some of what you are saying. I feel that our own home defense is taxed too, part of it because of our abroad conflicts, other parts of it is our inept government and Congress. A good night to both of you Mamasan and Xfactor.

Yea a lot of what you say has just cause. And yea I can't stand the sheeple support. Same for previous presidents, it was sheeple crap then too. But remember JC its not just all Bush and the administration doing all the wrong doing. Congress seems bent on screwballing the common person and law through multiple means. Some of their members couldn't even stand it that their constituents actually called/emailed/faxed them over laws they were about to ram through (Do those representatives even know how their job works at all? What is this!?) And some few are willing to silence others they do not agree with (yea that's what this country was built on, fear and silencing dissenting voices). Some of it is so bad its gone into the private sector, and there's even a case of it being employed by a local government (Wow, all this over our very first amendment and our rights to speak out... -_-) I also agree their is spin, but both "parties" use it to their advantage and its just more smoke and mirrors to the true observer. Nothing in this country really changes and the corruption will take one form or another despite what good ol' homeboy network, I meant party, is elected. I just hate how there is so much use of people, it's just stressing and infuriating. Anyhoo, sorry about the wall of text. Keep posting it JC. We may not see eye-to-eye 100% but most of what you said needed to be said. Remember that the price of democracy and freedom is eternal vigilance and defense of our rights, sovereignty and nation.

theprogamer, You are right and I pointed blame at both sides of the spectrum above when I said: "When they get caught doing something that is seen as unconstitutional, they make up new rules and try to worm their way out of trouble. It's corrupt---both Republicans and Democrats alike." I purposely chose not to go back to the last President and his administration, because it seems that is all the "sheeple" who follow this administration do in response to everything---it's how they avoid holding this present President and his administration accountable. We want to know why, and they point fingers and nit-pick the past Presidency even at this late stage of the Bush administration's game play. I have been a military spouse for 19 years. I have seen 3 Commander in Chiefs in charge of our military, and this one is by far the most irresponsible of them all. I see what most civilians are clueless too, and that the media fails to cover and touch, yet if we want to go back to previous Presidents, the media and republican supporters crucified him daily for poor judgement. Unfortunately, he didn't defund programs that helped and supported the military soldier and their families, especially during times of engaged conflict (I do blame this President and his administration as most of these defundings were strong-armed through by him, Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld and now Gates)--it was actually one of the very few policies he (Clinton) was able to be in full alignment on with his republican controlled senate and congress. However, this President has failed his military--and no one holds him accountable. He has republican and democrats calling to at least have him censured and they seem to not be able to touch this guy. So, I'm left to think "What kind of power does this President have and why is he so untouchable?" It's a question that should be on every Americans mind---because like those who parrot the spin and can't get enough of Clinton bashing all these years later--I think lying to get us into a war and then poorly planning the fiasco with his team of chronies as well as many of the other "secretive" and obvious abuses of the office trump lying to the American public about an affair in the oval office LOL. But then, I'm using my common sense on that one. As I said, I've been privie to 3 Presidents and each had their faults, but this one takes the cake. Thanks for helping me ponder this one--I expected way more flack for my response. You know venomous insults always out-weigh responsible and enlightening debates *smile*.

Ah, you're fine JC. Don't agree with a lot, but I definitely see some major flaws and thats over a couple of decades time. And in that time there has been so much doubletalk and wrongdoing from almost every politician under the sun (for most of them we are only now seeing it, for others its swept under the rug -_-). Both sides have their spinmasters too, but in the end its just one big charade for power. JC you might get flak for posts, but you won't get too much flak from me even if I'm like only 10% agreeing with you (agreeing with you way more than that JC. it was just an example). The free thought and exchange is well worth it.

I'd like to see a moderate politician of any party come in and knock her butt out of hte water.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let her back hillary.....PLEEEASEEEE....heh heh, would be the quickest way for hillay's poll numbers to fall through the floor. lol

I still want to see her charged with treason for her vietnam stunt.