How Do You Feel About "No Child Left Behind"?

@JaLuvYa (175)
United States
November 6, 2007 9:40pm CST
Many argue that this is good for education in America. However, after being actively involved in my daughter's classroom for a while now... I'm not so sure. First, let me say my daughter's school IS statistically one of the best elementary school's in the state. Their focus on the literacy aspect of no child left behind is phenomenal. For the past couple years, the schools test scores have been among the best in the state. However, we live in a highly technological era. Math, science and computers are a must. They teach the kids to test, but they lack in critical thinking skills. Math has taken the back seat. I have had to take the initiative to teach Math at home. I've bought computer software to help. But it really doesn't seem to be the concern of anyone at the school as long as they look good with the test scores. My daughter brings home reading, spelling, spanish, and worksheets that look like the test. No real math. I'm afraid that with the focus on these test and all the pressure associated with it our kids are suffering on a larger scale. I think that to save some from illiteracy, we are dumbing down the rest of the children by not allowing enough time to focus on all subject areas due to preparing for the test. I think it's a great idea but has some flaws and needs to be rethought. What are your views on "No Child Left Behind"?
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
7 Nov 07
I know what you mean. I have been experiencing that with my daughter. She does well on those tests, but over all she does poorly in her subjects. They don't take the time to teach the kids like they did when I was in school. It's all about meeting the criteria of the test scores. they spend weeks preparing for these tests, with intensive studies and quizzes and so on, but what about everything else?
@JaLuvYa (175)
• United States
7 Nov 07
I swear, if I see one more of those test papers come home for homework- I am going to scream!!!!!!!!!!!-LOL
@JaLuvYa (175)
• United States
12 Nov 07
Yeah - apparently it's not very important. But if my daughter has a great week at school, we stop at the store so she can pick a snack of her choice (besides the healthy stuff I make her eat-lol) but after realizing that she was still struggling with money I told her she couldn't get her snacks anymore until she learned how to give the proper amount of money for what she was buying. Needless to say she learned very quickliy after that. She came to me for help instead of me having to get her to work on her math. I have to show her how important math is to her everyday life. The grouping thing didn't make much sense to my daughter as well, like I said I have had to take the initiative to teach her math at home because she is not getting it in school. Back to the basics time :)
@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
9 Nov 07
I was teaching my 2nd grade GD to add and substract - and her step mom told me they don't do that anymore - they do "grouping". She tried to explain to me what that meant, but either she herself didn't know or she didn't know how to explain the stupidity cause it made no sense. Something about putting hte numbers in certain groups and adding from there. When I have GD, we do the tables - like the old days! She is memerizing them well. I asked her about hte groups thing, and she didn't know what to tell me. But kids today still don't know how to add/subtract without a calculator - can't even make change!
@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
7 Nov 07
I think the No Child Left Behind act is a total joke....They aren't helping the children..they're just pushing them through the system REGARDLESS of the childs level..They are also OVERLOADING the kids with work etc etc and ALL OF IT (the overloading and the b.s NCLB Act) are about money bottomline....I think its disgusting to be perfectly honest with you..I know a boy who, thanks to the No Child Act, kept getting pushed through to the next grade EVEN THOUGH at the age of 11 HE COULDNT FREAKIN READ!! makes me sick...Just like taking away recess makes me sick....I think the school system over here (in the U.S) is a joke....in NY it is at least..its pathetic...
@JaLuvYa (175)
• United States
7 Nov 07
Yes I know... I'm from New York. It is about money. We just recieved a letter in the mail from our school saying that they are getting ready to do a multi-million dollar project on the school to add a few more classrooms and redo the office area and play ground area. It basically expands the school. Last year, they added a library that had closed down next to the school. They connected it to the school. Like I said, this school, based on the testing, is one of the best in the state. It is a public/charter school. They celebrate the rankings every year. M&T Bank sponsors the school also. So it is basically a business... it's run like a business. It used to be a warm, loving, environment which is why I choose it. Now they have really kind of gotten rid of most of the teachers that I looked forward to my daughter having. Business... money from the government and from M&T Bank for test scores. My daughter's principal is a very good business woman. Sadly, the best interest of the kids has gone out the window.
@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
9 Nov 07
Ever read that best seller book called "The Teacher Who Couldn't Read"? This guy literally went through all of school, graduated high school and couldn't read. Where were the teachers? Plus I have heard the statistics that most high school grads can only read at 8th grade level. But they can speak an additional language!
@palonghorn (5479)
• United States
7 Nov 07
No child left behind is a big joke! My youngest daughter, took all the classes, and passes all of her classes, then her Senior year comes along, and she passes everything that is 'taught' day to day, and then took the TEST, missed passing it by 3 points, and she was not the only one, 1/2 of her senior class, and due to this they could not re-take the test until last June! and they were not allowed to walk across the stage at graduation. If you think this was not a huge disappointment to all of those students! Teachers have no time to 'teach' anymore because they are too busy teaching the test. You can teach anyone to memorize if you go over it enough times. It has major flaws, and give credit where credit is due.....we can thank Pres. Bush ....again!!!
@theprogamer (10534)
• United States
7 Nov 07
Bad solution to a near non existant problem. While the literacy is a good thing, the worst thing is what you described a lack of science and technology. There is supposed to be a focus on math with the mandate, you may want to check into your daughter's school. Something maybe up. Unfortunately JaLuv the dumbing down has been going on for decades. Its seen in test scores throughout the years and especially when compared to other countries. Plus societal stigma against education (on several fronts) with some apathy also caused this large downward spiral of dumb-down. I think the whole education systems a big flaw and needs a rethink. Just go see some of the test scores of other countries compared to here. Pitiful, and worse yet there are people still crying "more money"! That's BEEN DONE for 20, 30, 40 years and it seems like the crop is getting dumber each year. Rethink is definitely needed.
@JaLuvYa (175)
• United States
7 Nov 07
It is so sad how we've fallen behind like this! You're right it didn't just start but I fear "No Child Left Behind" is making it worse instead of better. Because if the kids score well, no one cares about anything else. But what is really staring to piss me off is that I try to teach my daughter outside of school, some of the basic skills in Math that she is not getting at school and my daughter is constantly telling me "We don't have to know that yet" but my friend has a child the same age that goes to school in the suburbs and my daughter isn't any where near where her daughter is. It's scary really.
@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
9 Nov 07
And the thing is they determine the status of education based on ONE test. Maybe kids had a bad day, maybe they hadn't gotten that far, maybe like very common, they were nervous not only taking a test, but this MAJOR test - and they are rated on this one test. Not fair.
@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
7 Nov 07
I agree with you. I can't understand why kids in high school have to take 1-2 years of a foreign language, but only 1 of math. And they aren't taught things like balancing a check book or interest rates or mortgage rates etc. But they are required to learn a foreign language. My kids didn't get to take a class about how to write a resume or put together a spread sheet, but they did have to take a poetry class. They were required to take 2 years of history about other countries, but only 1/2 semester of American history in their senior year. Think I'd home school now!
@JaLuvYa (175)
• United States
9 Nov 07
LOL- like whatever happened to schools preparing kids for life? Whereas, those other subjects are great for the graduation of a well rounded student- they should not come first. They should not be the requirement when the major subjects that will effect their lives (Math, Economics etc)after 1 semester- is optional.
• United States
8 Nov 07
The "No Child Left Behind" rule is crap. I watch kids struggle with school and get pushed ahead to the next grade anyway, where they fall further behind. It affects their self esteem and alot of them get teased by peers. I think each child should go at their own pace and not be placed into a higher grade when they haven't mastered the basics of the last grade.When this happens, children need extra help which costs money. Tutoring and IEP's.And lots of frustration for everyone involved.
@JaLuvYa (175)
• United States
9 Nov 07
I agree, and when they kids that are getting pushed along get frustrated it often leads to disciplinary problems as well.
• United States
11 Nov 07
I agree with what many of the people before me said..."NCLB" is a big joke. It is one of those things that sounds good on paper but is impractical in real life. All I see is schools teaching a test. They drop anything that won't be on the test like music, art, creative writing and pretty much anything the kids might think is fun. They drill them constantly, quiz them every day on what will be on some test just so they can get more money or not get closed down. It is the most moronic thing I have ever heard of. Sure the kids may be reading better but at what cost? Kids that might have enjoyed some aspect of school are so burnt out and turned off by all the testing just give up. They are leaving the system reading at level but have no critical thinking skills. History and Science are back burner subjects that they get to when reading comprehension is done with (if that ever happens). It is sad. I would hate to be a student in the public school systems of this country right now. We were lucky with our daughter's school. She went to public school for Kindergarten and 1st grade and although they taught the tests they tried their hardest to integrate all the other subjects in there. In 1st grade she still had music twice a week, art, library and gym. She loved school. Other schools I have heard have dropped all of those other classes even for the little kids. Who would want to go to school? And in the end just because a student does well on a test does not mean anything. Some kids are just born test takers. Some can cram and remember stuff just long enough to take a test (like me) and then forget it. Others can be geniuses and just suck at taking tests. Tests mean nothing compared to other students and schools. They are good tools for seeing improvement in individual students as long as you are only comparing a student to him or herself.
• United States
7 Nov 07
It is a joke, there are still a lot of flaws in it. Honestly, if you want you daughter to have an education, put her in a private school, or choose her school, if you think that there is a school outside of your district that is better than what is in your district, to whatever it takes to get her into that school.
• United States
7 Nov 07
It is a joke, there are still a lot of flaws in it. Honestly, if you want you daughter to have an education, put her in a private school, or choose her school, if you think that there is a school outside of your district that is better than what is in your district, do whatever it takes to get her into that school.
@JaLuvYa (175)
• United States
7 Nov 07
I'm honestly considering pulling her and homeschooling for the rest of this year and next year to prepare her so she can go to some of the better schools that start at fifth grade. (I don't know that that is the best option- we arestill investigating-lol) She's not going to test well on the entrance exam if I leave it up to her school. We thought about moving to the suburbs... but we own our home and we'd loose so much if we tried to sell now. I'm just really frustrated. But I know I have to do something before she falls to far behind.
@deebomb (15304)
• United States
7 Nov 07
there is a big problem with "the No Child Left behind". The concept is great but thoses carring it out don't seem to have a clue. They are teaching the kids how to pass the test but how to do the math or what science really is. The schools are so afraid of loosing their funding that they aren't really teaching the kids the things that they really need to know.
@JaLuvYa (175)
• United States
7 Nov 07
Absolutely, and fear is a dangerous and crippling thing.
@callarse1 (4783)
• United States
7 Nov 07
Basically they require too much to be taught. There should be an expansion of the school year and possible school on Saturday. The school is focusing on the test to make itself look good so many schools need to practice. Good teachers can be creative while having the chlidren develop criticial thinking. Perhaps you can suggest some ideas that the teaachers could do that would practice the test skills but also develop critical thinking. You didn't say what grade your child was in, so it is going to depend on the grade level.
@JaLuvYa (175)
• United States
7 Nov 07
My daughter is third grade. However, what I am finding that the highly creative teachers that have natural abilities when it comes to bringing out the best in a child and challenging them are being forced to stick to the game plan. It's as frustrating to some of them as it is to us. Their job is no longer the child, it's the test.
• China
7 Nov 07
small children really should learn maths, science, which can contribute to developing their logic thinking. yes, the "No Child Left Behind" in some way are of benefit to children' literacy development . but if the subjects are unbalanced , then the childre will lose a lot of pleasure in other fields.also, different subjects can offer different methods in dealing with problems, which can form different intelligence. hope you take action quickly
@JaLuvYa (175)
• United States
7 Nov 07
I have to before she gets too far behind. Thanks :)