Discipline your children or not?
By sjohnson628
@sjohnson628 (3197)
United States
November 7, 2007 8:23am CST
I have a friend of mine who has two boys ages 4 and 2.
She does not believe in disciplining them no matter what they do that is wrong.
I do not think this is right. I feel that if you let them get away with what ever they want at that young of an age then they will gro up and think they can rule the world or get away with murder when they are older.
What would make a person think that a simple time out is not right for children? She either laughs or ignores ther innapropriate behavior. I think that is just so wrong to do.
Is there anything I can say to her to make her change her mind about her views on this?
What do you think will happen to her children as they get older?
Do you agree with me that they will constantly be in trouble with authority?
Please any suggestions on how important disciplinie is and how to get it this through her hard about are greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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28 responses
@ayou82 (3450)
• Philippines
7 Nov 07
I discipline my kids. And kids should be disciplined in a verbal way is better than doing any physical actions to them. Because some parents use their hands to discipline and the kids turned out to be revengeful ..The more you talk to them not in a nagging way you can see how this kids grows up to be better person.
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@sjohnson628 (3197)
• United States
7 Nov 07
I believe in time out. To me that is verbal but also makes the child sit and think about what they did wrong.
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@sjohnson628 (3197)
• United States
7 Nov 07
I agree! They were here last nite and I just could not believe what she was letting them get away with and she just sat there and said nothing!
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@prasad6blr (95)
• India
8 Nov 07
Hi johnson,
You definitely have to discipline your children or else as you have expressed they will become the hooligans of the city, which will not be appreciated by one and all, instead they will be hated and one fine day they will be thrown out.
This is what I feel and they should be kept under control at this tender age, teach them good things and they will definitely be good children and useful to the country and they will definitely bring credit to their parents, for which the parents will feel proud for having borne them.
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@lhubert (63)
• United States
7 Nov 07
That is so wrong. The jails are full of children that their parents ignored bad behavior. Are they in pre-school yet? That will be a rude awakening for them and her. Hope she does not home school. I have worked with children for years and discipline (not abuse) is key. Children are a blank slate and what we teach them is how they will be as adults. Not taking responsabilty for your actions will just increase the bad behavior. Good luck with your friend and if you have children I would keep them away for hers.
@QUEENFORHIM (14)
• Western Sahara
7 Nov 07
The human spirit CANNOT be successful untutored. It is either their God-given parents discipline them, or life teaches them the hard way.Many kids grow to suffer and their parents could only watch on, totally ignorant of the fact that they had much to do with how their kids turned out.
@FLmom26 (142)
• United States
8 Nov 07
Physical punishment I don't really agree with. But I do think we have a responsibility to teach our kids that if you do something wrong, there are consequences. How else will they be able to function in society?! Some form of discipline is necessary in order to raise responsible, respectful children.
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@citygirl (1080)
• Canada
8 Nov 07
I totally agree with you. With no disipline or teaching she will have animals. Children do not automatically know the difference between right and wrong, it is the parents job to teach them that. Perhaps you could sujust that she is being lazy as a parent and negligent in not teaching her children these things. The whole world dislikes bad kids , perhaps you could point that out to her. Ask her if she doesn't want people to like her kids. That is half of the problem with the young today, is they are not held accountable for their actions. That is my opinion. Thanks for sharing
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@gorgeousdreamer (1034)
• Philippines
8 Nov 07
I agree with you. There would be possibility that her children might be on a negative attitude. Taht's why parents should discipline their children at the very beginning. usually, when a child reaches toddlerhood, that's the best time to discipline a child. Toddlers usually show tantrums when they don't get what they want. If the parent tolerate it, the child might be a spoiled brat. That's one of the example that a parent must do to her/his kid. Try to discipline your kids as early as possible because if they were used to it, they would grow up with a good attitude and behavior.
@stella1989 (2274)
• India
8 Nov 07
I belive the same as you do.
Children learn what they are thought by their parents in their young age only!!!
if you don't discipline your kids in their young age then they will never be well behaved whole of their life..!!
I just can't stand un mannered kids..!! I end up not giving them any attention or may be slapping them sometimes. They must know how to talk to people who are older than them there should be some etiquettes in them.
I staright away tell their parnets to teach a lttle bit manners and how to behave with elders.
Some people find it rude and some people take it seriously.
You can show her how unmmanered kids are by givign the example of other kids to her.
Or you can just keep on reminding her about discipling her kids.
Some day she will do it.
:)
@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
11 Nov 07
I think that as the number of people who invite her and her children over drastically decline and the children don't get play dates, and the teachers and day care providers complain..she may get the idea, on the other hand...she may not. Some people don't ever figure it out. If the kid gets in trouble in school ..it is the teacher, if they get in trouble with the police..they were out to get him..etc.
There is not much you can do.
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@CraftyCorner (5600)
• United States
8 Nov 07
What your friend is doing is potentially dangerous. Dicipline teaches young children right vs wrong. Sometimes, this knowlege keeps a child safe from harm.
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A child who runs away from his mother when she calls him should be diciplined not to do that because there are situations where he could be hurt by doing so. He could be hit by a car or stolen by a mean adult.
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A child who kicks the dog should be diciplined because some dogs bite children who do that.
@Gemmygirl1 (2867)
• Australia
10 Nov 07
Unfortunately, as much as i hate to say this, it really hasn't got anything to do with you.
Please don't get me wrong, i know you probably just want to help & stuff but with kids, the only people who decide what they do about different situations, are the parents.
If your friend is happy to let them get away with everything now, then she will find out the hard way when things go wrong later down the track.
It is sweet of you to want to help your friend but chances are, she wont listen to you anyway - more so if you keep pushing the matter. People don't want other people (friends or not) telling them how to raise their own children, it's like calling them a bad parent without actually saying it, this could ruin friendships & you don't want to do that.
All you can do is be supportive of her - she will learn eventually that discipline 'would' have been the way to go but with most things, all you can do is learn from your own mistakes.
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@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
8 Nov 07
Hi sjohnson, I don't believe a parent should ever speak to a child in anger, but I do believe in discussing things, as soon as they are old enough. A parent should always be loving and kind, and the child will respond in the same way. Children are fast learners from an early age and discipline can be very simple. Your friend needs to learn that, maybe she thinks of discipline as something that will hurt her relationship with them. Blessings.
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@estergamad (16)
• Philippines
8 Nov 07
It is very important that we should dicipline our children at an early age. Parents are given the responsibilities to correct their children when they done something wrong. They are here in this world to guide them & show them the right way. To dicipline is not just to spank them or hurt them so that they will learn their lessons. We have to show them what will happen to them if they will continue doing wrong thing.
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@lingli_78 (12822)
• Australia
7 Nov 07
definitely... children have to be disciplined when they are still young... the older they get, the harder it is to discipline them as they already get used to get away with whatever they do... it is like a plant... the older it is, the harder it is rooted to the ground and the harder it is for us to pluck it out... i feel sorry for your friend... i think she is going to feel the pain when her boys are older and already going to school...
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@deebomb (15304)
• United States
7 Nov 07
Kids need and want guide lines. They don't think that you love them if they are allowed to do what ever they want. Besides the fact the other people don't like misbehaving kids. She is probably just too lazy to get up and correct them. Kids are a lot of work and part of that work is to dicipline them. as they get older it will be harder and as I said befor other people won't want them around and neither will other kids. Her kids will probavbly be amoung those that end up in jail and she will be scratching her head wondering what went wrong. There probavly is nothing you can do to get through to her. But you can dicipline them in your own home. You don't have to put up with their bad behaviour in your home. she may get the hint that way.
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@slickcut (8141)
• United States
8 Nov 07
If she really loved her children like she should she would correct them..She is more or less letting them raise themselves.How are they to know right from wrong if not taught?They will grow up to resent her, because children like to know they are loved enough to be corrected..It is a lot of trouble teaching children right from wrong, could it be that she is lazy?I do agree with you that children that are left alone and never taught anything will grow up without guidelines and they are sure to be grownup hoodlems...Well you could tell her that if she continues to ignore her childrens bad behavior that they will not regard or respect authority,and some where down the line someone will put them in their place and it might not be to nice...the other thing about children who are not corrected is i do not want them around me,and everybody hates to see them coming.When people have bad kids other people talk about their children and how they are brats and they will talk about her to..If she is a christain tell her to read the Bible on how to rear a child....spare the rod spoil the child...If you love them you will correct them...its all in there.I hope this helps some...
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@frecklelip334 (1668)
• United States
7 Nov 07
ugh, i hate this issue, cuz i think kids NEED some form of discipline. time out works great at my house...we 'threaten' by counting to 3, and if we get to 3 it's time out....and we started this very early on, and now our son hates when we say, 'no'...he'll fight, then we say 'do you want time-out', and if he throws a fit, we say 'one...' and he instantly stops...'no, no time out' he'll say, and he'll go and pick up his toys for example.
now, when he IS in time-out which rarely happens anymore, we do the minute per age thing, he's 3, so he'd get 3 minutes in time out. then we go over, get on his eye level and tell him why he was in time out, then make him apologize and then we hug and say i love you.
so it's not like we're spanking him with our belts as our father's may have, and we're not just screaming orders at him. but it's a form of discipline and cuz we started early, he responds.
so it bothers me as well when a parent laughs all this off.
here's an example of what bothers me, we had a meeting yesterday for a group i'm involved in. it's once a month, and sometimes these 2 mother's come with ALL their kids, sometimes they don't. well when i see them walk in, i roll my eyes. the nursery is open for us at that time, so whoever has kids can put their kids in there for the couple of hours, OR the kids can stay it doesn't matter. BUT i like to put my son up there, as he can play outside, and mingle with other kids, not be stuck with mom doing craft things, haha!
well one of the moms doesn't want her kids up in the nursery, and that's fine, AND her kids are GREAT! very well behaved, she has 6 i think, and they all kinda take care of each other, and help each other AND mom out. SHE has control and i admore her, she is as calm as i've ever seen, it's amazing.
BUT there's this other mom, who brings her 8 year old son, (i think all these kids are home-schooled, which is great), BUT this other mom, well you can tell there is no discipline. he's really too old to play in the nursery, but then he should be sitting with all the others then, calm and having fun with our projects. NO, he runs and spills things, and mouths off to his mom, well she barely tells him to sit down and whatever.
so we were trying to rearrange the room back to what it had looked like when we arrived, and obviously it was time to clean up...and she's standing there, flipping her hair, letting her son run wild, beads were spilled EVERYWHERE, SHE's not making an effort to get moving, so i approached her son and said, "can you please pick up your beads, we need to get these tables put away now". he looked at me and said "that's not my problem, leave me alone". i went over his mom, and simply said "we're cleaning up now, i need to move your table, can you please take care of these beads", as i am NOT going to tell her how to mother her child, nor was i going to TELL on her child for mouthing off to me, BUT she has raised a brat, and all i can say is she's a spoiled brat herself. BUT i bite my tongue.
but it irritates me when she KNOWS what time we leave, she sees everyone else helping and she stands there and flips her hair and thinks she's not responsible for her child's mess...everytime i tell ya....when i'm in this situation, i'm rushing my son to help and help myself then if it's time to go. but my son is also only 3, he needs help still, her son is old enough to clean up some spilled beads THAT HE spilled, i SAW him knowck them all over.........ugh, sorry i went off on a rant, but it all stems back to paying attn to what your kids are doing and taking action............done, haha!!
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@BlueAngelRS (2899)
• Canada
7 Nov 07
I agree with you discipline is very important to a child...I was given advice when my son was very young to start at a young age and I don't regret taking that advice at all and he is now 14...If she lets them get away with everything now and just laughs it off is not a good thing...I would explain to her what will happen when the children start school if they are not taught of rule following or discipline...Schools follow rules and discipline and they will just not listen to teachers. I have a friend who has four boys and they weren't disciplined when they were younger and given everything they want...And to this day...They are 15, 14, 10, and 7 I believe and they walk all over their mom...It takes her along time for them to listen.
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@mrtimharry (1180)
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7 Nov 07
Not sure whether the fact that I have no children excludes my opinion, but parents who let their kids run wild through shops etc are one of my pet hates. I believe that everyone be they adults or children need boundaries with appropriate punishment when these boundaries are exceeded.
Sometime I feel a child will need a smack to enforce those boundaries, where a child runs into the road or attempts to mess around with the oven. At the same time the punishment needs to be appropriate, and feel that canes and belt are excessive
Tim
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