My daughter has failed.
By mamasan34
@mamasan34 (6518)
United States
November 14, 2007 6:25am CST
I am very disappointed this morning. I have had quite an evening last night. My daughter brought her report card home and apparently she just shows up at school to socialize. At least that is the gist I get from her report card. 2 F's and 4 D's the rest are C's and she did pass PE with flying colors. So, at the very least I know she can walk and run properly. Anyhow, I have taken away every privilege I can think of. I am now driving her to school every morning and picking her up every afternoon. She will not be allowed to socialize with anyone. She will go to church and she will have two hours of study time. Her bedtime is changing to an hour earlier so she is ensured that she gets proper amount of sleep. I am so upset and disappointed in her. She brought her midterm report home and it was C's, B's and 1 D. She brings home this report card and it's much much worse! I have emailed the school and informed the director that I want to arrange conferences with all of her teachers and have her put to the front of the classroom away from her friends. I don't know what else to do.
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@carolbee (16230)
• United States
14 Nov 07
I can sympathize with you. Sounds like you are exactly on the right path.
I'd like to tell you a little story that happened to us personally. Our oldest daughter was 15 and decided she wanted to quit high school. I told her ok but she had to go to work fulltime. She took a job at a local fast food chain. She didn't like the job but I reminded her that would be her career without an education. She was still in school at this point and working parttime. Socializing at school was her favorite subject. She went on to finish high school, go to college, ger her undergrad degree, continue on to get her Master's and part of her Ph.D. Today she is a functioning mental health counselor.
Don't give up and toss in the towel but instead make your daughter totally responsible for her studies and attendance at school. You're doing the right thing with punishment. I wish you the very best success.
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
14 Nov 07
carolbee, thanks for sharing your success story with me. That is very inspiring and I truly hope that my daughter will find her way as well. I am trying the best I can, with her dad being in Iraq, it's hard. Anyhow, I just hope that she can pull it together. I know she is very intelligent, but she is extremely lazy when it comes to studies. I also believe that socializing is her first priority at school and this has to stop. Thanks for your words of support and encouragement!
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@carolbee (16230)
• United States
14 Nov 07
I remember those days and know how difficult it is for you. Patience and understanding can be such a trying experience with your situation but hang in there, there is a light at the end of the tunnel. I wish you the best and hopefully one day your daughter will realize you were only trying to keep her in school and do what's best for her. Am sure it's difficult with only one parent at home also. I always use to ask our girls (3) if I would give them bad advice. Made them stop and think. Years later they thank me for being there for them and trying to be a good parent. G-d Bless!
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
14 Nov 07
Well, we had a really good talk this afternoon after school. She cried a bit and couldn't tell me what was wrong with her. I am still at a loss, but I think we are making headway. She is doing her homework right now and I am staying close to make sure that she knows I am here if she needs me. It's tough on her I know, but not impossible. I hope our talk helped.
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@secretbear (19448)
• Philippines
14 Nov 07
it looks like there's something wrong with your daughter. i think you should better talk to her first. i also think that what you are doing are kind of super strict and it might result into something worst than having bad grades. ask her first what is her problem and then you might want to encourage her to study more by promising her a sort of prize if she gets a better grade. of course, you will still impose some restrictions on her like lesser time to hang out with friends or lesser time to watch tv or cutting her allowance. ^__^
goodluck mamasan!
@secretbear (19448)
• Philippines
15 Nov 07
oh i see. well if giving rewards for good grades aren't working then i am out of ideas. and if talking to her didn't give you any clues as to what her problems are, then i think it was a wise decision that you talked to her teachers. they should know the answers since they are the "second parents". anyway, goodluck to you and your daughter. i hope everything turns out fine. ^__^
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
14 Nov 07
I don't know that I am being too strict. This has been going on for some months now. I have tried the rewards for good grades and that didn't work, I have tried so many things. We are still talking, but I think that it is time I spoke with her teachers regarding this to see what they see. We talked for a very long time this afternoon and I didn't get too much from her other than I don't know and I'm not sure. But I think she is thinking now. I hope so anyhow. Thanks for the advice!
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@saivenkaat802003 (4823)
• India
14 Nov 07
yea.. you are correct secretbear.. Mammasan must talk to her daughter, first, and must study what's the problem with her., Instead of talking directly to the directors and puttin her in the first bench, and infact keeping her away from her friends may even aggravate the problem.
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
14 Nov 07
me too gabs. I really am very worried about her. She is such a good kid and I know she is intelligent and witty. I have talked to her this afternoon and I asked her what she would do if it was her little sisters in this position and what advice she would give them and she told me her answers, which were very good ones and I told her to take her own advice and apply it to her life. I could see that she was thinking about it. So, hopefully we have made some headway on this.
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
14 Nov 07
I have tried talking with her for so long. I just don't know what to do anymore. I know that she needs to be punished for not bringing up her grades, but there has to be an underlying problem. I have asked her if she is having trouble with her vision, hearing, depression, if she wants to speak to a counselor or to another friends mom or something to that effect. I am at my wits end, today I told her that she will speak to someone or I will make the decision for her. So, she opted to speak with her counselor at school. So, hopefully something will come out of it. Thanks gabs!
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@webeishere (36313)
• United States
14 Nov 07
YIKES! I had the same problem with my son. He never graduated High School due to his feelings about school. He did take his GED a few years later earning a High School equivilent diploma. Just as good as a HS graduation diploma. Well it looks like the punishment you doled out may be working a bit. The grades have improved a lot actually. The schools here in Minnesota have parent teacher conferences a few times during the year.
HAPPY POSTINGS FROM GRANDPA BOB !!
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
15 Nov 07
I am hoping this works for her. I know that she is a very bright kid and she is just having something going on that she doesn't feel she can talk to me about. Mom at this age is enemy number one I suppose! Anyhow, I told her this afternoon that I am always here and I love her, or else I wouldn't get on to her so much about her schooling. Friday I meet with her teachers and we will get to the bottom of this. Thanks Grandpa Bob! I have a GED too, and I am finally going back to college. I just want my daughter to make the right decisions for her now, instead of figuring out 25 years from now she actually wnats to go to college! Thanks!
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@miracleworld (201)
• India
14 Nov 07
i think u shout help your daughter more in her studies and properly explain to her that we have a brilliant brain and we just have to work hard and utilize it properluy. just give a crash course on inportance of learning
Regards
Harry
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
14 Nov 07
Thanks Harry, great advice! I have been trying to do that more often. Most often she tells me she doesn't have homework and she did it at school, I want to believe her because I want to trust her, but I guess I need to be a little more intuitive. Thanks!
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
15 Nov 07
Harry, that is a fantastic idea. I never thought to enroll her in music. She does love music. Maybe that will be something that she can find interest in and it can help her with concentration of her studies. Thanks for the idea!
@miracleworld (201)
• India
15 Nov 07
Kids do say lies, they may learn in from school itsself. help her in studies, find out her worst subject. and make her understand that we have a life long learning process, only with learning we can properly think and logically find solutions to problems that we face in life. and motivate her. and make sure that the child understands what she studies logically rather than , studying everything By heart, and also make her understand that we learn to remeber not to forget.
I can see u have got many more advices...take care ...always remeber to give her breaks atleast after 1 hour. and make the girl wash her face when she gets tired, breaks are very important, brings the energy back. take care , have fun teaching, if possible give the child piano classes, it will expand imagination and intelligence, ofcourse memory power, i said piano cause its a master instrument the biggest of all haveing 8 octaves. learning piano is really amazing and ofcourse easy to play, i am a guitarist studied music from trinity college of music. anyway take care have fun
regards
Harry
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@Monkeyrose (2840)
• Canada
14 Nov 07
I think if she failed that many classes its a little deeper than just socializing. Does she have a learning disability? Is there something going on in her life right now? I suggest talking to her about it to find out whats going on. Its actually very difficult to fail a class when you attend it. I think you are doing the right thing by talking to her teachers. Possibly get her to see a counciler.
@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
15 Nov 07
Yes, I believe this as well. I keep asking her if there is something wrong, having vision problems, hearing problems, problems concentrating, depression issues? She says no to everything. I have encouraged her to go see the school counselor or the counselor at our church and it would be completely confidential and I wouldn't have to know anything if it would help her figure out what is going on, but she says she doesn't have any reason to see a counselor. I will give her some more time and ask again in a week or so. I am definitely going to be meeting with her teachers on Friday and I am very anxious to find out what they have to say. Thanks for your support!
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@plasma (673)
• India
14 Nov 07
Not a big deal, many people fail in exams but come out with flying colors in this big test of life. No amount of pressure tactics can overnight make her your ideal child or a winner. Maybe, you didn't keep and tab on her activities earlier and that's why her grades disappoint you. A young mind always looks out for joy and fun and if she's found her chocolate factory in her friends and outings, you can stop her but you can't shut her. The best thing is, you becoming her friend and trying to help her find that fun in studies and books. It's hard but it's possible
Best of luck
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
15 Nov 07
To me it is a big deal, but your right, things won't happen over night and I am not expecting them to. I just want her to show some initiative right now and really take care of her issues at hand. Thanks for the advice and encouragement plasma!
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@gorgeousdreamer (1034)
• Philippines
15 Nov 07
At least you are now watching your daughter's activity. But don't be too strict to her. She might not enjoy her freedom and there might be a possibility that she will become a rebel child. Try to be open to her. Try to build mother-daughter bonding. Communication is one of the best things to maintain a harmonious mother-daughter relationship.
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
15 Nov 07
Thanks for the advice. I will definitely have to really be careful about that. I don't want her to rebel against me. I just wnat her to try harder. I am trying to be more open with her and we have had several talks and things like that.
@electrohippie (23)
• United States
15 Nov 07
i can relate my daughter has failed as well and last year she was on the deans list i just dont get it but i can say this all we can do for our children is show them the way we cant force the issue or risk the reverse affect so im sure you have tried but ask again and again on what she needs just tell her that you want to help because thats your job not because you want to force her to do well in school explain why you feel this way and ask her her opinion on the matter and whatever it takes for her to open up for you and get to the real reason sometimes this takes a long long while to surface but support her no matter if shedefies you or not one day she will see that you are right after all
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@electrohippie (23)
• United States
15 Nov 07
has she given any reason at all to why she has failed or do you get the famed"i dont know response"
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
15 Nov 07
I have gotten the I don't know, the there's nothing wrong with me responses. So, I guess I will get some insight Friday at the teachers conference hopefully!
@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
15 Nov 07
I have been telling her those very same things! I told her that I want her to do her best, and if she does that I will be proud of her. I just want her to try. Thanks for the advice and words of encouragement!
@bluewings (3857)
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15 Nov 07
I am probably not the best person to advise , but I do agree with posts that say you need to have a heart to heart discussion with her. However, I feel the discussion shouldn't be about studies, academics or grades;I feel it should be about any problems she might be having in her personal life , but for that you'd first have to win her confidence and make her feel at ease while talking to you. I know it is difficult in such circumstances , but this probably is the best approach.Once you understand what's causing the lack of interest in studies or what's more important to her/what's bothering her , you might be in a better state to help her out.
Lastly, whatever happens , have an open heart and my suggestion ,if I can call it one, is to try and be a friend first and parent later.Hopefully, things will improve :-). Perhaps trying not to show your disappointment about the academics to her while you talk to her would work better in knowing the real problem.
@bluewings (3857)
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15 Nov 07
Glad to know the conversations are already helping! To me that's the right approach to start with.Good luck!
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
15 Nov 07
We have been talking more this last couple of days. I think the picking her up and dropping her off, giving us more time to talk and not speaking about the grades during those conversations has opened up a new pathway for us. She knows how I feel so I don't need to reiterate my feelings over and over again. Thanks for the advice and your suggestions were very good!
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@isaiah12 (416)
• United States
14 Nov 07
I know one year my youngest daughter's grades in math went down. When I took the time to talk to her and look into it, it was due to the teacher she had that year. I found out every other child in the class was doing bad also.
If she won't talk to you try to find someone she will be comfortable talking to. It will help alot if you know what the problem is. Has she in the past done well with her grades? When did the grades start going down? Has anything happened during this time that could be upsetting?
Talk to her teachers also. You might be able to get an idea of what is going on by not only her grades in class. But has her actions changed.
If you can find out if there is something causing the grades going down hopefully you can help her through it.
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
14 Nov 07
Our life the last couple of years has been a whirlwind. I know it is hard to bounce back after moving to a new state, her father and me getting re-married, and her father deploying to Iraq. Her father has been gone for 6 months now so she should be bouncing back for the most part. She used to be an honor roll student and the last year and a half she began struggling with her grades. I have tried talking to her, I have told her finally today that she will find a counselor to speak with at school or I will make the decision to find a counselor for her to speak with. I told her I can't help fix the problem if I don't know what is wrong. I told her it would be like me asking her to fix the car and she knows nothing about it. She understood, but I don't know how far I need to go to get to the bottom of things. I am trying though. Thanks for your thoughts!
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@phillygirl606 (1112)
• United States
15 Nov 07
There is nothing wrong with your daughter. She in no way needs counseling. I went through this stage in high school. My friends were much more important to me than my grades. Just stick to what your doing. Taking stuff away from her. Thats what my mom did and I straightened out real quick. She just doesn;t realize how important her grades will be to her in the future. right now all that matters is her friends and whats going on. I'm sure she will show improvement quickly since you have put your foot down and taken things away from her.
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
15 Nov 07
Thanks phillygirl. that is a relief to hear that there might not be anything wrong with her. I am just a big worry wart! Well, I will just keep plugging along and letting her know that I love her and that is why I keep on her about her schooling and everything else! Thanks so much!
@bong_domingo (878)
• Philippines
14 Nov 07
Hello mamasan!!! i quite understand how you feel, i have 6 siblings and only 2 are really performing well academically. modesty aside, i also did well in school despite hard days when i had no money for my snacks, when i usually go to school crying because my parents had a fight just the other night, when i had to stay up late watching over my baby sister while doing my assignments. Pretty hard then but it all paid off (i guess). When my siblings were into schooling, my parents were kind of matured and were recieving good pay enough to raise our family. I can see they were growing having a better environment than i had then. And so i couldn't understand why the failing marks???? just so disappointing.
I never really understand that until i became a teacher. I had students who come to me and share about the same thing. For some, they were not performing well academically because they "intelligent" at something else like sports, music, painting and the like that are most likely right-brain intelligence. I got some advice from other educators and told me about "multiple intelligence" and this whole brain learning in classrooms.
I used to teach college algebra and my students then were very poor at x's and the y's and even simple equations. So i tried a different thing like teaching variable through colored figures, teaching mathematical equations through story-telling, solving mathematical problems through various activities where they really have to move around and mingle. It paid off :-) most of my students who got a failing mark in their previous algebra class got through my class with flying colors.
Maybe you can look into how subjects are taught to them in class. You said your daughter made it through PE with flying colors, maybe that's where she's good at right now. Or maybe you can try to have a heart-to-heart talk with your daughter.
@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
15 Nov 07
That is fantastic! I will definitely ask the teachers if that might be a problem for her. She is very athletic and I know she has a hard time focusing on things that bore her and most subjects bore her. I had a heart to heart with her this afternoon and I think we made some progress. At least I hope. Thanks so much for your interesting response and advice. I will have to investigate.
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
15 Nov 07
That's very interesting. I know from my experience that I get bored easily, so maybe this is her problem. I will talk to her about it this afternoon. Thanks.
@bong_domingo (878)
• Philippines
15 Nov 07
yup it will really bore her if academic subjects were taught in a lecture manner..... i have a younger sister who is now in second grade and usually absents herself because the teacher is boring or that the teacher keeps on repeating the same subject which she easily masters.
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@shmokoy (124)
• Philippines
14 Nov 07
My mom did that to me way back when i was in highschool. As a parent you're doing the right thing. But remember, if you go overboard, you might make her a rebel. I may know not know the way your daughter thinks but just be a bit careful. She may not be able to handle all that at the same time. Might end your relationship with your daugher. If you really wanna give her all that punishment(i recommend it =D), then give it one at a time, week after week. See her progress as it goes on, if she's improving then slow down. Just let her show you her test scores. Make sure it hasn't been altered though. But that's just my opinion and you're the parent. Good luck.
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
15 Nov 07
That is sound advice, I will have to rethink my way of doing things regarding this. It is always good to have an outside point of view to get a fresh idea. Your right, it might be difficult for her to handle all at once, I do need to set the ground rules and compromise a bit on some things. I did do that tonight. I have not allowed her to watch television, but tonight, I allowed her to watch Animal Planet. I think that she can watch t.v. but it has to be something educational. I know she loves animals and loves watching Animal planet, so I will allow her to do t hat during her free time. Thanks!
@lingli_78 (12822)
• Australia
14 Nov 07
i'm sorry to hear this mamasan... i know this is not easy for you... raising and educating a child on your own while your husband is in iraq is tough... i wish you all the best and i hope your conversation with your daughter helps... education is very important and it is her future... hopefully, she will realise it too... good luck...
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
15 Nov 07
I am really hoping she realizes this soon. She is such a smart girl and I know she can do this! Thanks for your response!
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@chertsy (3798)
• United States
16 Nov 07
What about making her bring home books that she made the F's and D's in, even if she doesn't have homework and make her study. You can talk to her teachers about extra homework that she can bring home as well. Then have her sit down with you when your doing yours.
My oldest is only 11, but I have already told her that the grades that she will get in high school matters more than she will ever know. This time and age, jobs are getting harder and harder to come by. You can also try a scare tactic, tell her if she doesn't do good in school, where does she see's herself once high school is over. Would her dad be happy with these grades.
What you have written is all good ideas. Just keep at it with her. Get her on a tight schedule, she will thank you later in life.
Good Luck.
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@chertsy (3798)
• United States
17 Nov 07
I think that's the best thing to do. I do hope this gets better. I sometimes wish this was the case with my oldest. She has a learning disability and honestly it's killing me that no matter how hard I try to help her, she's not getting better. Good luck, remember to have patiece with her. Maybe tell her if her grades come up to a certain level, she can be rewarded something. If she keeps it up at the end of the year maybe something big as a Ipod, or something she wants. Just an idea.
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
17 Nov 07
I am going to try to initiate the rewards thing again. Maybe it will work this time. I am also having her tested for ADD. After speaking with the teachers she displays many of the symptoms and I think it is at least worth the effort to check it out. Thanks!
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@taiguy (478)
• United States
14 Nov 07
I am not a parent, but to me it sounds like you are going in the wrong direction. First, the school may not be doing a very good job of keeping her encapsulated in the subjects. Alot of times it is more about interest then ability. Second, taking away her socializing seems pretty drastic, and could even backfire on you. She needs to be able to socialize to be healthy, and pushing her in a unhealthy direction isn't going to force her to be interested in school subjects.
I can see how punishment is in order on the lines of grounding or what-not, but don't think brute force is going to change her attitude. I agree with the teacher conference, but I would rather see you getting a tutor (one at a time) for each subject that makes her understand if she doesn't do her work at school then she will have to take extra time at home.
@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
15 Nov 07
Those are all very good points and I will certainly take them into consideration. I haven't completely taken away her socialization. She socializes with her friends at church and she sees her friends at school during breaks and lunch. Thanks very much for your insight!
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@lynboobsy11 (11343)
• Philippines
14 Nov 07
My daughter now is in her 5th grade school in elementary and in her first grading period I'm not quite satisfied with her grade also. Her big sister help her through her studies and most of the time me also but we ended up arguing and sometimes I lost temper on her. That's why I ask her teacher to take a tutorial on her so that she can make up through her grades. As a result of her exams these past few days are good and I'm glad. About your daughter don't worry maybe just a little time to spent on her studies and maybe vitamins also can help for her to coup stress in school.
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
15 Nov 07
I asked her to start going to bed a bit earlier and I am starting to make hot breakfasts for her in the morning. She said it did help her to be more alert, so maybe we are on to something. Most often she would have something light, like toast and cereal and juice, but I am going the extra mile and making a heavier meal in the morning to keep her alert until lunch time. I know I have been kind of lax about it. I am going to look into tutors as well. Thanks for the advice and sharing your story! I have lost my temper before as well, it happens. I am glad to hear that your daughter is doing better!
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@marissa0124 (179)
• New Zealand
14 Nov 07
Have you tried to talk to your daughter? There might some things that bothered her and cannot focus on her studies. You should have one on one discussion once in awhile to know what she wants. Show her how important education is..=)
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
15 Nov 07
Yes, we have these talks every once in awhile. Today we had a long talk. She really doesn't know what is wrong. She says she can't figure it out herself. I think she is just depressed about her father being gone. I know it is hard, I miss my husband too, but we have to persevere. We will just have to work together and make things happen.
@kundan_pratap (5)
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14 Nov 07
no need to talk with other people.please talk with your daughter as a friend.Friendly ask the reason.Is she having any problem in understanding or what?..it's only you and her who can solve this..try to analyse the problem and understand your daughter.rest on you.
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
15 Nov 07
I have talked to her several times. She won't tell me anything. I have to go to her teachers now to find out what is going on in the classroom and what they see. I am working hard at trying to solve this mystery. Thanks for your comment!