Europeans should be able to vote in US Elections
By theprogamer
@theprogamer (10534)
United States
January 11, 2008 9:15pm CST
I kid you not, the thoughts are out there. This article sums up what happened and has some ideas on the matter.
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/01/10/liberal-europeans-should-be-allowed-to-vote-in-us-elections/
Because I'm kind: long story short - Because things in the US influence the world, the world should be able to vote in the US elections.
My thoughts and opinions on it. The original article with the voting idea is rather narrow. It literally has tunnel vision (you can easily see the blame on one target). In reality, plenty of politicians, corp heads, factions have enough responsibility for the nonsense we've been seeing. The article also focuses on recent years and fails to note a lot of corruption and political incompetence has been happening for at least a couple of decades (and this is at multiple levels of government). Anyone without a decent grasp of past events along with the present and anyone with a tunnel vision blame mania (as I've seen here, in media and in politics) is not really worth considering; and plenty of times not worth the time.
On the rest of the topic: Its interesting there are plenty of people in the world afraid the US would do something like this to them. But if the reverse idea is applied (like I've brought forth) then no one cares and/or its the "right" thing to do. Indeed, it seems like a nice double standard and handicapping session here. Stateside isn't allowed to do anything to the world (or anything, period); meanwhile everyone else should be allowed to do whatever they want to the states. Sickening in my opinion. Seriously, look carefully at your own countries. Would you want other nations electing your officials? And for what reasons? Because they live next door? Because you trade with them? Plenty of interference and ethical issues here to deal with here. Any reasons why something like this should happen? Anything that hasn't been brought up yet?
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@academic2 (7000)
• Uganda
12 Jan 08
May be the Europeans should because the influence of the US on the whole wide world, Europe inclusive, is so phenomenal that deciding who leads America cannot possibly be left to Americans alone-do you realize that it was this domineering influence of America that led Blair to blindly follow Bush to Iraq? If the British had voting power, they could possible have had the occasion to shape the political landscape of America, and their own inadvertently! Very interesting and probably contraversial post theprogramer
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
12 Jan 08
Hello Academic2,
If I may, I'd like to play the 'devil's advocate' here.
So, you're saying that it is acceptable for Europe to influence the USA, yet distinctly unacceptable for the USA to influence Europe?
If I'm understanding your intent correctly, then this is perhaps the most unabashedly elitist creed that I have ever personally seen in print.
If I've misunderstood your intent, will you please set the record straight? Thanks!
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@theprogamer (10534)
• United States
12 Jan 08
In ways I agree here, but I also have disagreements. I have to point out again that if the roles were reversed no country would accept the US voting in their elections. It would be very similar to a puppet regime and definitely an interference on a sovereign nation. Also know that other nations/regions influence the US in their ways too (Mexico, Canada, Europe, Middle East). In any case I still say each nation should be left to its own voting and its own government. I do realize there are forces that are trying to countermand this, but again I have to bring up sovereignty. Without this recognition, not much would stop nations from trying influence others in rather gross ways (takeovers, violence, war).
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@williamjisir (22819)
• China
12 Jan 08
Hello dear programer. It would not be hard to have a new president to be elected if people in other countries take part in the activities. I think that it is still better for the domestic people to vote for their loved president as they are sure to know better who could help them to lead a better and richer life.
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@williamjisir (22819)
• China
12 Jan 08
Hello again. I need to delete the word 'not' in the second sentence. I guess that you have figured it out that I have a spare word in the sentence. hehehe.
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@theprogamer (10534)
• United States
12 Jan 08
I agree with this and yes I did figure the error post wise. Worry not.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
12 Jan 08
Good morning Progamer,
Ya' know, this opinion has been floated among political undercurrent since I was working on my undergrad degree, in the early to mid-80s. And, though I can't personally confirm it, I suspect much, much longer than that.
Although, ask anyone who supports this creed, and a loud clammer will be heard that what's good for the goose, is definitely NOT good for the gander!
Perusing the link I see that the same old argument has been made -- American hegemony. Yet, Europeans fail to consider that when they created the European economic coalition, the specific intent behind the merger was to extract the global hegemonist mantle from the clutching hands of the U.S.A. Which with the help of certain members of OPEC, they are working feverishly to accomplish. Yet, without a strong European military power, they are inadvertently dangling the mantle before Communist Chinese eyes. And, how much will they regret that if, and when it actually happens?
The nations of Europe have no commitment to allocate the necessary resources to finance a strong military. And, whether anyone wants to admit it or not, military strength is a key component of a hegemonist economic policy.
My sincerest apologies to my European brethren, who would just like to go about their daily lives. It's not my intention to offend. Yet, I'm compelled to point out the obvious: arrogance is a fool-hearty characteristic to be prominent amongst any leadership. It is much more advisable for national leaders to embrace wisdom, a respectable command of economics, and common sense over elitism. Yet, we Americans are hammered when we've done so. The overall sentiment from our European brethren when Teddy Roosevelt, Ronald Reagan, and even Bush were elected is that we ignorantly elected 'dumb cowboys' to the highest office of the land. Though for many, myself included, the verdict is still out on Bush, the fact remains that we must be doing something right to have elevated this nation from colonial obscurity to sole super power status in 232 years.
So, to Marxists everywhere I say: "Hands off! You've already broken your systems, don't try to mess with ours!"
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@theprogamer (10534)
• United States
12 Jan 08
Very good points here, Luna. I'll say that some people actually want the system broken for selfish reasons, and maybe the idea is part of that only hidden in another 'front' reason.
Also its interesting that other countries do not want stateside to tell them what to do, but these countries have no problem with telling stateside what to do. I noted this, but really wanted to reiterate it.
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
12 Jan 08
I do not believe that would ever be allowed. That would be a quick road to disaster.
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@theprogamer (10534)
• United States
12 Jan 08
On both main aspects it would be. Organizing it would be a nice nightmare. Heck plenty of parts of the government aren't even really organized, could you imagine a worldwide vote for the US President. And what happens if the 'correct' outcome doesn't occur? Will everyone start whining about cheating? Will they take this whining to much more extreme and violent formats? Possible.
On another hand, having a countries leader elected by other nation's citizens... did anyone pay attention that countries are sovereign entities governed by their people and selected modes of government? Its almost like the rules only apply in some cases but can be broken when it serves the 'good' -_-
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@4ftfingers (1310)
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19 Jan 08
That reporter is a complete idiot, and pretty much represents the close mindedness that Americans have unfortunately been stereotyped as. He talks about the EU as if it's a continent of 3rd world countries. No Europe doesn't need US military protection. No it doesn't crave American culture, McDonald's is really not something to be proud of. And Europe has it's own cash.
I'll be blunt, the only reason why Europeans would want to vote in the US elections is because after Bush, they think Americans are too stupid to make the right decision. Not my view of course!!
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@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
26 Jan 08
Good discussion, progamer. If this becomes a reality, it looks like it would be another step towards a one world government.
If you don't mind, I would like to share this in my blog, because I just read a blog about how they want to separate Jerusalem and make it into an international city, and so it would no longer be the capitol of Israel..
@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
27 Jan 08
Thanks progamer and that is what I did, went to the original link so they can read it for themselves...:)
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@theprogamer (10534)
• United States
26 Jan 08
Well its fine by me if you share, but be sure to leave a link to the original pieces so they are there too.
I remember hearing about the Jerusalem plan before though, it was a few years back, but I definitely remember something along those lines.
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@JoyfulOne (6232)
• United States
23 Apr 08
No way!! That should never ever be allowed. If anybody wants to vote in U.S. elections (of ANY kind) then they should be a U.S. citizen....period. So, if they think they should be allowed to vote in our elections, then are they going to let us vote in theirs?! (Fair is fair!) That has to be the most whacked insane idea I have ever read or heard of. Other countries are supposed to settle their disputes and make their wishes known through the United Nations. If this kind of thing were allowed to happen, then it wouldn't be the U.S. anymore, it would be world domination in the very least. God forbid that this should ever happen!
@thatcrazyqbanita (3312)
• United States
12 Jan 08
i agree. europeans are much smarter than some people who vote in the U.S. If europeans were allowed to vote, we would have never had this idiot for a president.
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@theprogamer (10534)
• United States
12 Jan 08
I'm actually not convinced of either premise. Plenty of people in both areas are very stupid and so are their leaders. If anything I think we'd probably get the same, similar or a worse outcome if this did become reality.
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@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
23 Apr 08
I can't imagine ppl actually thinking that they should have a say in the voting procedure simply b/c it may or may not affect their country. I don't vote for Canada, Mexico or any other country simply b/c it isn't my place to. I don't live there and their public officials don't run the U.S. I wouldn't expect anyone outside the U.S. to have any say in who we vote in...that would open the door to other countries trying to vote in ppl to follow their own agendas.
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@eyewitness (1575)
• Netherlands
12 Jan 08
I don't think it would be a great idea.I mean we europeans would have never voted for Bush to be President.We all knew he would be a bad one.And if we would have to vote in US elections that also means that you would also have to vote for our european governments.I think the world would be a total mess.
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@kamran12 (5526)
• Pakistan
26 Jan 08
Hello theprogamer,
I don’t think it would serve any good purpose to allow Europeans to vote in American elections. America belongs to Americans and only they should have the right to decide about their fate. Allowing Europeans to vote would undermine American sovereignty. I hate to see America poking its nose in everyone else’s affairs and I would hate to see others interfering in American internal affairs as well.
But, I must say that exposing other’s tunnel vision, Mr Warner Todd Huston, himself, has demonstrated a tunnel vision and grave lack of understanding of Europe. A victim of self inflated ego perhaps, eh?
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