Am I doing it right?

@jpso138 (7851)
Philippines
February 4, 2008 9:04am CST
I have a 4 year old child. He will be 5 year old this month and he has been the apple of my eye from the very moment he came into our life. Now that he has grown and is already in the nursery school, I am very proud that he has started to learn from school. Since he is only one, we have devoted our free time, our resources and affection to him all the time. So and so that every time he ask for something like toys and things as long as we can afford it, then we give it to him. As of last count, he now has 2 sacks full of toys, some of it are damage already and some most of it are still in good shape and functioning. Almost every week we go to a mall and just enjoy the movies, some food, and window shopping. But every time we go there, we will never miss buying one for him since he would insist for us to buy one for him. I would like to know if am doing it right or am I spoiling him already?
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@babykeka80 (2084)
• United States
4 Feb 08
In my opinion you are probably spoiling just a little bit. Does he understand when you say no? We spend a lot of time doing things and getting things for my daughter but when I tell her no she understands. She is not quite as old as your son. She is only 2 but you do not want him going through life thinking he can get anything he wants at anytime he wants. Good luck.
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• United States
4 Feb 08
It is good that he listens and is rewarded for a job well done. As long as you and he both know your limits then you are probably doing just fine. There are many parents that dont teach their children the value of the things they get and they have no appreciation. This doesnt sound to be the case. Good luck.
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@jpso138 (7851)
• Philippines
5 Feb 08
Yes, I am happy that he listens. I believe that you have done a better job since your child is only two and you have imparted a good standard of discipline already. Well, I am learning as life goes on. Your ideas are well taken and very much appreciated. Goodluck likewise!
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@jpso138 (7851)
• Philippines
4 Feb 08
Actually there are situations that I say no and he listens very well. He studies and has good results. This is also the thing, every time he perfects his exam, I or my wife usually give him a toy as a reward. I think this is okay but we are overdoing it already. Your opinion is well taken and I will try to control things slowly until I resolved this problem.
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@sminut13 (1783)
• Singapore
4 Feb 08
i would think you're on your way to spoiling. i do that for my son too though i'm much stricter than my hubby on this. you should buy him but you should also know when to limit him. if he always keeps getting what he wants, later on he might throw tantrums if he doesn't get them making it tougher for you. i do that for my son and so far he's ok. recently my hubby's been like never mind, buy for him and always buys something. so now my son is always asking my hubby to buy this buy that. even when we're not going out. my son will also be 5 this dec by the way. so they're more or less the same age. he has also filled one sack already. i told my hubby we can't keep buying like this. next time when there's another baby we can't afford it so need to discipline now.
@jpso138 (7851)
• Philippines
4 Feb 08
I believe we are in the same position. At least I know that I am not alone in this kind of situation. I have this gut feeling that I am spoiling my son already. the problem is my wife also do the same as me. In fact that is the reason why we have 2 sacks already since I think the other sack were the ones that she bought. I appreciate so much your opinion and will try to control this set up. Boy, its really hard since there is no real guide on how to handle cases like this.
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@sminut13 (1783)
• Singapore
4 Feb 08
grins, exactly hehehe we can only get help from people who've experienced it and can advise us. i too feel at times that my son is on the road to being spoilt but fortunately it hasn't been that bad yet. there was once when he went out to play and when i called him to come home, he didn't want to. he was young, maybe around 3?? not sure. my hubby's short tempered so he usually got angry fast. i had to persuade my son to come in. i usually coaxed him and he came after quite some time but other times, i had to speak harshly. when i spoke to him patiently and he still didn't listen my hubby used to get angry and scold my son who's afraid immediately. hehehe i used to tell my hubby, you need to have patience. if not your son is going to be immune to your scoldings. i'm the one always at home, so he'll be immune to me you can say. but he must ensure that he can love our son and yet at the same time, make our son respect him. can't always love him. he'll be complacent. after that, you could say my son always listened to me as i used to tell him that daddy will get angry ok. grins. i'm glad too that you too have the same problem as me regarding the toys. i hope it works out for our children. best of luck.
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@jpso138 (7851)
• Philippines
5 Feb 08
I believed you have the perfect tandem. Your husband and you and it is quite important that way since there is balance of things. Well, in my case, its almost exactly like yours, only thats its the other way around since I am the father. My wife is very much the same as what you do and I am the short tempered. But sometimes I take control of myself since I might be overdoing the discipline to much. You have given a very wonderful insight and I appreciate it so much. Parenting is not an easy task, but with the way things are going, I believe we can make it through. Maybe one day our children will become friends also in myLot......
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• United States
5 Feb 08
MY daughter is soon to be 3. My husband when she was younger would insist on buying her something every payday or if he had a little extra money. Of course we had to stop because of the space. And now all we do is buy her a little something IF she behaves, its incentive but then she is 2! I agree with the person who said you are n your way to spoiling him. My ex mother in law does that with my older daughters and my oldest is now starting to measure love with how much money spent on her and shes 9!!
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• United States
5 Feb 08
You're welcome but also keep in mind that my ex mother in law and I do NOT get along and my husband and I believe part of her reason for giving my older daughters whatever they want whenever they want is to spite me because I can't afford to do that!
@jpso138 (7851)
• Philippines
5 Feb 08
I see, I'm sorry to hear that. But you don't have to worry about it. The best thing we can give to our children is our love and care and no one else could give it better than us parents. Thanks for the insight and best wishes to your family!
@jpso138 (7851)
• Philippines
5 Feb 08
Very interesting. I believe I have this fear of going into that situation for my child when he grows older. That is exactly the reason why I brought up this discussion. Now, I have receive your message and its very nice to know that my thinking all along was right. I also fully agree with you that the grandparents also contributes to spoiling since they usually gave in easily. Your discussion has given me another reason to start what I wanted to do. Thanks!
@chrysz (1602)
• Philippines
5 Feb 08
I guess you have spoiled your child already. I have a five-year old daughter too but she knows that we can only afford toys not more than PHP100. We buy her more expensive toys only on special occasions so that she'll have something to look forward too. She also knows how to take good care of her toys, she got I guess 4 boxes of toys and nothing is broken (we either dispose off broken toys or have it fixed). We did not buy most her toys, they are either gifts or "inheritance" from my sister who is a year older than her. When she wants something expensive that we cant really afford or we find impractical to buy, we just tell her to ask her aunt and grandmom in the US to buy her the toy she wanted. i'm glad she knows how to wait and listen to our explanations.
@chrysz (1602)
• Philippines
5 Feb 08
Sometimes my child would try to look miserable and get our sympathy by saying that "I just a charity, they just give me old toys. I can't have new toy!" But when we start enumerating her expensive toys (she's a girl but she likes Thomas and Friends a lot, she keeps a train set and started collecting Thomas when she turns 3) and the toys she got on her bdays and on xmas time, she would suddenly realize that she is still lucky. We also let her watch news and documentaries about poverty. There are lots of docus here in the Philippines that shows how kids only eat congee with just a little salt or rice and water only. Some kids play on the street, on landfills trying to make new toys our scraps. Though it is not that recommended for kids their age to see those docus, I find it helpful in explaining to my child that she is indeed lucky. It would also be helpful if you set example. My child knows how I love pens but I never buy pens higher that PhP50 (USD 1.25). Most pens I use are only Php10. I also recycle boxes, tin cans etc and she sees it. Being thrifty doesn;t mean that you have none.Its just a metter of prioritization. Hope I helped you a little.
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@jpso138 (7851)
• Philippines
6 Feb 08
You have surely help a lot and I am absorbing what you have share. Thanks a lot for the brilliant ideas!
@jpso138 (7851)
• Philippines
5 Feb 08
I envy you on how you handle your daughter. It really clear that I am overdoing it. I believe that since you were able to do that and your daughter listens and wait, you have disciplined her well. In fact, I friend of mine has the same set up with you. He and his wife always set a limit to the amount of toys they buy for their only son. I tried it on some cases, but I usually fail and end up buying more or an expensive one. I'm gonna try to do it with more control and determination. After all, I am inspired by all of your suggestions and opinion. Thanks!
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@ebuckley (13)
• Hong Kong
5 Feb 08
Unfortunately, there is no users manual that you get when your child is born. We all have to give it our best and hope we're doing the right thing. I can not make a call as to if you are spoiling your son or not. But, as a father of three, I can say there is one thing that you must do. Be consistent. If you think you are doing the wrong thing when you buy him a toy every time, you are now in a position that you can not just stop because YOU think it is wrong. There must be a valid reason. If he is not throwing a tantrum or causing problem, I would be inclined to say that there is no reason to change your style. However, rather than going some where that perks his desire for you to buy something, try an outing to a location that would keep his interest but doesn't require you to buy him anything. Or maybe avoid shops all together if possible. Get him to be interested in something other than shopping. Change the environment for your outings and see how he reacts. I would only stop buying him something if he acts up and only then make him realize he can not just have everything he wants. But it sounds like this is not the problem. Try different settings. Then you have removed the major portion of your worry. I would be interested to see how this works out.
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@jpso138 (7851)
• Philippines
7 Feb 08
Yes, I will definitely do that as a way of diversion. I will get back to you once I do it. Thank you very much for the time, and sharing. Its brilliant.
@pheebsy (21)
• Philippines
5 Feb 08
i also have a five year old, well i am not saying that you are doin it wrong, i know there is that feeling that you cannot just help but give in to the child, but anyway, i will just share what i do. Before I even gave birth, i promised myself that i would raise my daughter in such a way that he/she would grow as a nice responsible person. What I usually do is when she asks me for something, I present it as a reward because of something good she did. In that way she'll grow up knowing that life is not getting always what you want but earning it. It is ok to splurge on infants, but for kids who are beginning already to understand the world, it is better that little by littl, we inculcate to them how life should be handled.:)
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@jpso138 (7851)
• Philippines
6 Feb 08
A very beautiful way of raring up your child. With what your doing, I'm sure your child will grow to be very responsible. I do believe that I am overdoing it after all the response. I hope that someone else will read your response and learn from it. Good day to you!
• Philippines
7 Feb 08
thank you ... cheers to us moms :)
@anup12 (4177)
• India
13 Feb 08
I think that is your sole decision and you have to think about it. YOu only have to make the decsision about your child.
@jpso138 (7851)
• Philippines
14 Feb 08
You are right, it is my decision and purely mine. In fact I am actually assessing the answers of everyone to come of with my decision. I am very much grateful to all the opinions and answers of everyone since they can help me in coming up with my decision.
@mouse27 (1155)
• Canada
7 Feb 08
i have an and 8 yr old a 6 yr old and a 3 yr old my 6 yr old doesn't get everything he wants because me or his father can't afford it , my oldest lives with my mom and my stepdad and they would get her whatever she wanted and still do because they don't feel like fighting with her when she throws a fit cause she doesn't get what she wants. in my opinion you can raise your child however you chose as long as your not beating the crap out of him. (which i don't think you are) jsut don't give in to him when you say no mean it don't let him throwing a hissy fit change your mind. you can even teach him a value of a dollar by telling him that you want him to go thru all his old toys and pick out all the ones that he doesn't like anymore and sell them and tell him that he can get a new toy with the money he makes from the old ones
@jpso138 (7851)
• Philippines
8 Feb 08
That is another interesting input. Thank you very much. I shall take not of this and apply the said suggestion later on. Thank you very much!
@anna_82 (115)
• Philippines
5 Feb 08
hi, well for me yes your spoiling your child. because as you said your child has lots of toy already and its just stock.you can buy him anything as long as he really needs it.it's a big help for him also.you should teach him that everything is not just easy to get.i have a child too shes 6 years old and she want to buy everything also but we always tell her that we can buy but the important only. and she understand it. and right now she is the one who telling us that we should not buy if it's not important.:)it's good that your focus all your time to your son and it's enough and that is the very important that you show to him how you love him and care for him. hope it's could help .thanks
@jpso138 (7851)
• Philippines
7 Feb 08
Yes, I guess that would be what I will do. I will try to instill that values, since it is not only through toys that we can show our love and care.
@mflower2053 (3223)
• United States
7 Feb 08
I do this for my daughter when we go shopping. She is only 2 but once she understands a little bit better she has money that I have been saving everytime someone gives her cash for her birthday or Christmas. I will tell her she has that much and once she spends it thats it so they can learn about spending money. I think it would be a good idea for you to do that with your son. When she gets alittle older I will also give her some money for doing things around the house.
@jpso138 (7851)
• Philippines
8 Feb 08
Yes, I will do that as well. It will let him see the value of money and learn discipline. It will also show him the value of work. Such a pleasure for taking time to share your idea.
@shrub62 (42)
10 Feb 08
You are on your way to raising a person who will expect instant gratification all the time. What happens when you cannot afford it some day or what if he cannot afford something as he is older. He will be so used to getting everything he wants that he will not be able to handle not getting things. He will end up thinking anything he wants should be his. People like this will often charge up credit cards because they have to have things and have not learned how to wait for something they want or how to work for something. Children need to learn how to work toward something they want and to save for it so they will not end up in financial trouble later in life.
@jpso138 (7851)
• Philippines
14 Feb 08
You have a point there. Well I will find a way to let him see the value of money. Though I am not saying that I will let him work for everything to obtain toys, but I will find a way.
@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
7 Feb 08
Yes definately! A child should not expect special treatment, and you have been teaching him to do just that. Your child should not be able to insist that his parents do anything. Who is the boss in your family, you or your child? Its time you decided, and took measures to act upon it. If you don't, the time will come when you will wish that you had!
@jpso138 (7851)
• Philippines
8 Feb 08
You are definitely right. Time will come that If I don't do anything then it would be difficult for me to do the things I wanted him to understand and learn. The best time to start is when he is still young. It would be a good foundation as he grows up.
@kiran1978 (4134)
• Australia
8 Feb 08
He sounds like a very lucky boy raised by loving parents that dote on him and give him lots of loving affection. 2 sacks of toys does not sound too bad for a 4 year old, I think my three year old has about the same. I think there is nothing wrong with taking your son to the movies and window shopping, that is great. However maybe you should not buy him something everytime as he might come to expect that everytime he goes to the shop he gets a gift. Also he then he will not appreciate things you buy him as much. But him gifts once in a while. But spending quality time with him like you do is the best gift your child could ever have.
@jpso138 (7851)
• Philippines
13 Feb 08
Yes, I do believe the best thing that we can give to our child, and perhaps not only to our child but to our family as well is the quality time that we spend with them. It is not the value of the toy but rather the value of how much we care for them. Maybe perhaps that is the reason why I buy him toys most of the time since my work entails me to go out more often and not spending time with my child. For the lack of it, I compensate it with toys. However, I always try to find a way to be with my son and my family in the best way I can. I know that your child is so lucky to have you as well. I appreciate so much you input and wish you and your family the best.
@jpso138 (7851)
• Philippines
13 Feb 08
Yes he is indeed lucky. But the way things are going and with all your inputs, I am slowly learning that what I am doing is wrong. You are definitely right about what your saying. When the time comes, he will have this attitude of wanting everything without waiting and even perhaps not seeing the value of money. I will do my best to follow all your advices and slowly instill in his mind the value of working and earning even at this early stage to shape him into a good person as he grows. Best to you and your family.
@gemini_rose (16264)
4 Feb 08
You know what, we were exactly the same with our children, anything they wanted if we could afford it they would have it. Maybe it is spoiling I dont know, I didnt feel that it was, but what stopped me doing it was this, because they were getting everthing they wanted all the time, they stopped appreciating it, they would have it and then within weeks or even days they would break it and it would upset me. So I stopped, and now they only get the things they really really want for christmas and they get a little something they want for their birthday, and if they do really well at school they get a reward of some kind, they also do jobs in the house to earn money so that they can buy the little toys they want, then if they break them then thats their money they have wasted. And this has worked and they are now starting to appreciate all the things that they get. But its lovely that you take him out every week to the movies and that, I wouldnt say that was spoiling him, I would say thats like quality bonding time you are having, but buying him something all the time may lead to spoiling.
@jpso138 (7851)
• Philippines
5 Feb 08
I am pleased to have your input and I will start to instill more of this set up since this is a way to make our child understand the value of work and appreciate how it is like to received when you have worked. It will also show them how to care for things since it would not be so easy to acquire it. You are doing a great job on your child and I admired it so much.
@gemini_rose (16264)
5 Feb 08
I have 4 children, 1 is now working and earning his own money so he just now helps out around the house which goes towards his keep. Then I have 3 younger children, 7,5 and 2, they do household chores to earn weekly pocket money. (even the 2 year old helps!) I pay them every monday, and I also make them put a percentage in their bank accounts, so they put it away themselves and can see their money grow. Then with what they have left I take them round the shops and they get themselves a little toy and some sweets, just lately though they have been putting a little bit more away for when we go on holiday so that they will have some to take with them. So they are learning and they are appreciating the value of money more. I mean it wont work for everyone as everyone is different and has different ways but since I started doing this with them, I have seen a real change in the way they are with their things and their money.
@pumpkinjam (8767)
• United Kingdom
5 Feb 08
As long as he understands that he gets the toys and treats when you can afford it then that should be ok. My kids have far more than they need! They know that they don't get anything if they misbehave but they don't expect things. What you are doing is ok but you shouldn't let him insist or expect. He should be old enough for you to explain that he can't always have something. If you thin he has too many things, you could ask him if he would like to give something to a child who is not so lucky and maybe say that for each toy he gives away, he can then have a new one. There is nothing at all wrong with giving your kids all you can give them. He's lucky (and so are you) that you have the means to give him so much. I would just say that he needs to know that.
@jpso138 (7851)
• Philippines
7 Feb 08
I see, sound like a good idea, I think I'm gonna go with the set up, its like sharing the old one, and having a new one for him. That way, he will learn how to share. But I think I'm gonna control the buying of toys little by little. That way, he will see, the value of money. Thanks for your idea. Love it!
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@Gemmygirl1 (2867)
• Australia
5 Feb 08
Unfortunately, it's definitely spoiling. If a child gets used to having what they want every time they ask for it, then they will continue to expect it as they get older. They will never be able to fully understand the value of saving for what they want because they will just think of it as - why bother - when i can just ask for it & get it like i always do. I think at the age of 5, you should probably stop buying what he wants, when he wants it. I think little gifts every now & again are fine but you don't want to be doing it when he wants it, he'll never get out of that habit. Especially since you say that when you go out, he insists you get it & you give in - kids should not demand things & if they do, they really should be told NO, demanding things is pretty disrespectful & you don't want this behaviour to go on so that he still does it as an adult. Good luck :)
@jpso138 (7851)
• Philippines
5 Feb 08
And the score keep rising, I have come to realize that from all your ideas and opinion. I have realize that I am doing the spoiling thing already. Now I am more convinced and will do the best of my ability to do and follow your suggestions. Goodluck likewise to you and your family!
@idowrite72 (2213)
• United States
6 Feb 08
I had 4 children and no resources to buy them even near everything they wanted, but I would say that you are on your way to spoiling. I have a son who has 2 children and he is doing the same with his 2, without the money for such spending, and I tell him that it is not important to buy them everything that they need. They will know that they are loved and if they are given only things they have earned or only things now and then, they will learn to appreciate the things that they do have. His children are good with their toys, though, and he is now passing the ones they have outgrown on to his sister's child. There will come a point where you won't be able to give him what he wants and then what?
@jpso138 (7851)
• Philippines
7 Feb 08
You are right. Its a wake up call for me. Very interesting point. I will do the necessary adjustments so that my son will realize. Thanks for the very wonderful input.
@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
4 Feb 08
No you're not. Spoiling your child in such a way doesn't teach him to appreciate anything and everything he recieves but instead he'll start EXPECTING to get something every time you take him out. If he doesn't learn that he can't or won't be getting something every time then he'll learn to be very unappreciative of all he gets and he'll start throwing temper tantrums every time you take him out and not buy him something. He needs to learn the value of the dollar and in doing so he needs to learn how to earn his toys by doing things such as cleaning his room, making his bed, and putting his dishes in the sink. By doing those things he'll learn the value of the dollar.
@jpso138 (7851)
• Philippines
5 Feb 08
You also have a point there. I will weigh down things and will surely let him understand the value of everything. Even if that something is very cheap, it is important to let him no the value of work and money.
• United States
5 Feb 08
It's fun to buy toys for your child, and you can afford it. However, if you let him have a new toy everytime you go out, he is learning to expect these treats. I'd like to see you say "Not today" sometimes. Let the toys be treats instead of expected. He has two bags of toys at home and doesn't really want them after the novelty wears off, true? He's young -- giving into his INSIST is going to get bigger as he gets older. So stop now :)
@jpso138 (7851)
• Philippines
5 Feb 08
You have perfectly predicted whats happening joyce..... Its absolutely true. I will do what you have suggested, no questions asked.
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5 Feb 08
Hello jpso138, for my opinion your on the way to spoiling your son. Try not buying him the things he want then observe his reaction. If he just let it go then your child is not spoiled yet. But if he really cries and is starting to have tantrums then you should start disciplining him.
@jpso138 (7851)
• Philippines
5 Feb 08
I believe so, Most of the response is either its almost or I'm doing it already. I will try to find an way to slowly adjust so as not to make it so hard on my son. Its a pleasure to have your point of view.