52 Girls Removed From Texas Compound
By Marie Anne
@Ldyjarhead (10233)
United States
April 5, 2008 7:16am CST
It's hard to imagine that this stuff still happens in this day and age. I honestly don't know how people can still do these things and claim it's in the name of religion.
They are even promoting incest, young girls being paired with their older male relatives. How sick!
The numbers may not be accurate, but they're saying that this commune has only about 150 people in it, and they just removed 52 girls between the ages of 6 months and 17 yrs old.
That's 1/3 of the entire population there. It doesn't take brains to figure out exactly what their motives are.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080405/ap_on_re_us/polygamist_retreat
How do you feel about this? Is it ok to do anything you want if you claim it as being in the name of whatever religion you can dream up?
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@lancingboy (1385)
• United States
8 Apr 08
lol I posted the same topic a few minutes ago. Mine was in the Religion interest though because I hadn't even thought of posting it in the news section.
As for the topic, well I didn't know they were performing incest as well. I knew there were like minors being married off to a bunch of old perverts. The Sunday paper (Houston Chronicle) said that almost 200 women and children were taken out of the compound and many of the children are now in foster care. The police's real target is a 16 year old missing girl, who had been married off to one of the men in the compound.
That founder of Westboro Baptist Church is also guilty of performing incest and beating his children (who are like in their 50's now and still scared of their father) and his grandchilren. Sickos like that shouldn't be allowed to reproduce period!
@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
8 Apr 08
Oh, don't even get me started on the folks at Westboro!
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@koalatbs (2229)
• United States
7 Apr 08
I saw a news break about this just this morning. Like you, I was sickened by it. I heard that now they have removed about 120 women & children from the compound. Supposedly a 16 year old girl called the authorities to report that she is married to a 50 year old man and she also has a child. The authorities are questioning the women & children however they are having difficulties in getting much information from them due to a number of reasons, including their fears and just not being used to disclosing private information. I am sure many of them have lived this way since birth or shortly thereafter and probably feel as if it is normal. Plus, they are likely afraid that they would be punished by the men in the compound if they tell anything about how they are living. I am also sure that they have obviously been brainwashed into thinking that God thinks it is also how they should live.
I agree with you totally Ldyjarhead. It is really really hard to believe that there are still places here in the United States where this type of thing is still happening. It kind of makes me wonder why the U.S. government is spending trillions of dollars a day on a war in another country when we obviously have many pressing issues here in our very own country that we should be focusing on.
@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
7 Apr 08
Yep, they will likely be close-mouthed about it, either because that's the only life they know, or they are afraid.
No doubt they've been 'programmed' to expect that those outside won't understand their way of life, and they know how to fend it off.
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@koalatbs (2229)
• United States
7 Apr 08
I just read this on news on Yahoo... "more than 400 children, mostly girls in pioneer dresses, were swept into state custody... authorities described Monday as the largest child welfare operation in Texas history." I tell you... you have to be careful when you decide to move, which we will be doing soon. You never know what type of area you are moving into. Even if the town itself & your immediate neighbors are ok, you might be close to a small or large (in this case) population of people who have some beliefs/ways that really differ from what you are used to. Sometimes it may not be anything that would deter you from moving to that particular area, but you just never know.
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@mtdewgurl74 (18151)
• United States
7 Apr 08
This is a shame, I wish they had caught these people alot sooner then they did. It says they couldn't find the young 16 year old, her baby girl and the 50 year old man. I am hoping nothing happens to the girl and her baby and I am hoping she may be rescued soon from the clutches of that nasty old man who could take advantage of a child like that. I hope that they will soon close all of them down that exist. Will take some time and alot of man hours but well worth it if it protects the children and young girls who never had a chance to be a kidor teenagers before being forced to marry some old geyser 3-4 times her age. That is rape for sure because what child would even think to consider that even if they grew up around it they had to have dreaded the thought. I am just glad someone finally spoke up. But I pray she is protected from harm from that older man she was forced to mate with.
@mtdewgurl74 (18151)
• United States
26 Apr 08
Yes, it is sad. I just hope that they can unbrainwash these children so that they may start to lead a more normal life and pray that when they get of age they don't resort back to that type of cult or go back to the place it all started.
@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
7 Apr 08
It's a crazy situation, isn't it?
If the girls have been there for any length of time they are no doubt brainwashed into believing that this lifestyle is normal and ok. Even though some may have been taken from that environment, it's not going to be an easy task to de-program them, so to speak.
Sad ...
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@ElusiveButterfly (45940)
• United States
11 Apr 08
It is frightening how some people can be brainwashed into following the beliefs of another. I pray these young women are able to recover from this.
@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
7 Apr 08
There needs to be a lot of healing in this world today.
Sometimes I find myself being ashamed to be a part of it.
@gemini_rose (16264)
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5 Apr 08
It is hard to imagine that things like this still go on, it is very rare that you hear these sorts of stories and so it is always a bit shocking when something like this happens. No I do not think it is ok for this to happen, I think it is awful and no way to live, I would hate to be in a place like that.
@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
5 Apr 08
You know, it's rare that we hear about these things, but what might be happening out there that we DON'T hear about?
That's what's really scary!
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@gemini_rose (16264)
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5 Apr 08
That is very true and I expect there is an awful lot we do not know or hear about.
@Thoroughrob (11742)
• United States
7 Apr 08
I think there is alot more of this that goes on than what we realize. It is sick, and seems like they are grooming them. I do not believe it is ok. I think some people just use religion as an excuse to get away with things.
@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
7 Apr 08
Exactly.
And with the freedom of religion we have here, I wonder just how far some will be allowed to go?
@danishcanadian (28955)
• Canada
19 Apr 08
I agree with you. What has been happening at that compound in Texas is extremely sick. My husband and I have been following it all in the news. What's really sick is what these people are doing to the Mormon religion. These are FUNDAMENTALISTS who claim LDS as their church, but they are not true Mormons. They are giving Mormons a bad name.
@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
19 Apr 08
I know there's been a lot more in the news since this first came out, but I haven't been following it lately.
It's still sick, I don't care what other label you want to put on it.
@winterose (39887)
• Canada
6 Apr 08
no it is not okay when it goes against the law of the land, and in north america it is against the law. Other countries it is legal and even women can have several husbands in that case it is called polyandry
@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
6 Apr 08
Totally agree.
Although I still can't understand it being normal for human beings, period.
@CraftyCorner (5600)
• United States
6 Apr 08
There is a very major kink factor at work there in that 'religion' with these old guys with harems of child-women. The boys are usually evicted from the group to eliminate the marital competition to leave plenty of girls to award the followers of Jeffs.
@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
6 Apr 08
It has to be something along those lines, or why else would 52 girls be removed, but no boys?
Makes you wonder ...
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
7 Apr 08
It sure is hard to imagine things like this still happen right here in the U.S. but apparently it does. I sure don't think it's OK to do anything you want in the name of religion but it seems there are those who do feel that way. I watch Big Love on HBO and they show life on one of these communes and it isn't a pretty sight.
Annie
@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
7 Apr 08
And this is just what we know about. I can't imagine what sort of things might be going on that are never exposed.
@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
7 Apr 08
I had the opportunity of doing some research into these types of facilities several years ago, Ldyjarhead, and I was stunned at what I discovered! Basically, these sects are predators upon the female members. The females are not allowed to have an opinion from childhood, and they are systematically brainwashed to obey whatever dictates their leaders set for them. I cannot now remember the title of one particularly enlightening book on this subject, but I remember vowing to keep it for future reference. I will try and dig it up. The lives of these girls and women amount to little more than slavery.
@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
7 Apr 08
I can just imagine (but don't really want to!)
I've read some in the past too, mostly fiction but research based on factual experiences and yes, they are totally brainwashed.
I've read some Christian fiction too about women who left the Mormon church in earlier days. It was very enlightening (and scary).
'There but for the grace of God, go I' ...
@Chey1970 (1186)
• United States
5 Apr 08
I myself, don't agree with it at all. It has been going on for years now. And really who am I to say, who is actually to blame. I mean yes, they always have one who is the leader to this, but those that join such, do it on their own accord (90% of the time).
@Chey1970 (1186)
• United States
5 Apr 08
Yes, I understand completely, and I am not saying that the leader of such, shoulld get off scott free. All I am saying is the the children taking from this compoud, the parents, (if the children were born there, or taken by their parents) should be held accountable. It's sort of like one person planting a seed in another and from there it grows. A child born or brought their really had no choice. However the parents did, they chose to follow such (the 90% of their own accord). Perhaps not this particular incident, I mean the thousands of incidents like this one.
In my opinion not only should the leader of such be brought down, but every single parent of the children.
@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
5 Apr 08
But they prey on those that are easily swayed.
And of course there are the children that are either brought or born into it.
They can't make their own decisions, and by the time they're old enough where they can, that's the only life they know.
@Lambchoper (538)
• United States
26 Apr 08
I feel enraged by this and by any atrocity committed in the name of any religion. Freedom of religion should not become a hiding place for perverts or warmongers.
@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
26 Apr 08
I absolutely agree! Religious practices may vary some, but breaking traditional law and brainwashing people and taking advantage of innocent children is not what our forefathers had in mind.
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
5 Apr 08
It is not Christianity if anyone is insinuating. We are supposed to have only one spouse at a time and not have a bunch to chose from. Not only that, the incest is wrong. Those poor girls. It is just a means of control, and domination, and using God's name without HIS approval. I hope that something is done to stop these heretics and abusers.
@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
5 Apr 08
Oh, I don't think anyone has insinuated that Christianity was involved.
I was just curious as to everyone's thoughts about creating an organization that would sanction things out of the norm and claim it was allowable under religious freedom.
@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
6 Apr 08
This is sick, people will use religion as an excuse for anything and it does not make it right. I think it makes it even more wrong, as if something like this can be wrong.
I feel so bad for those poor children, you have to wonder about the adults - especially the female adults that are here and allowing this to happen. What is their mental state?
@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
6 Apr 08
I would think that that joined voluntarily are easily preyed upon, and their offspring won't know any better.
Yep, definitely sick.
@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
6 Apr 08
I'm glad someone finally is giving Warren Jeffs what he deserves. He has been in the news for years having children with children and marrying those youngsters off to the older men in the compound. Hopefully all the men who were taking advantage of the situation with those little girls will be jailed as he is and brought to justice.
I'm all for religious freedom, but no one should have the right to proclaim himself God which is obviously what Warren Jeffs was doing b/c he sure wasn't going by the Bible when he promoted that sort of stuff.
@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
6 Apr 08
One could only hope that they'd all get their due, but it's unlikely that it would happen here on earth.
@SheliaLee (2736)
• United States
5 Apr 08
That is absolutely horrible!! I feel that it is absolutely wrong to do anything you want and claim it is okay because of "religion". These people that do things like this have a lot to answer for, I just pray that they will see their need for the true God before it is too late for them.
SheliaLee
@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
5 Apr 08
Exactly.
It only takes one single step to wash all that away. It's so simple!
@quiltedblessings (1066)
• United States
5 Apr 08
THere has to be a line. Seriously. Doing whatever you want, no matter how wrong, and saying its "in the name of such and such religion" does not make it okay. I mean, it is one thing to say "I don't eat meat due to my religion", but to say "I believe that incest is okay, because it keeps our religion pure" is absolutely ridiculous. I'm very glad that they got those girls out of there, hopefully they can all figure out how to overcome their brainwashing and lead a better life.
In no time at all, every pervert in the world will start their own "religion" just to get control over children. Its so sad.
@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
5 Apr 08
My point exactly. If it's illegal, it's illegal, no matter what 'religion' you profess.