What is it with men...!?

They sure are two different things, sarah! "I feel that the words say more about the person than the person he is describing." Excuse me if I have misread, does it mean that, in your opinion, the abusive person doesn't mean to insult the relation but the very person he/she is abusing!? or that the person who is abusing is showing his own character than the one he is abusing?

The second one. A person who uses that type of words to describe Anyone shows his lack of class and is worse than the person he is calling the name.

Thank you for explaining, sarah, I am with you and think the same about abusive person!:-)

Hello theprogamer! "I know WOMEN who gravitate to the men that do this all the time" Is it because those women like to be verbally abused in such manner or it is because they like something else about men who do it? There is a difference and I hope you do see what I am saying here!? It is very nice of you to intervene and correct people who do it. "How womanly is it to verbally, emotionally or physically abuse a guy?" I think abuse of any kind, in any form and manifestation is not a healthy exercise. It doesn't matter who does it. It wouldn't be womanly if someone indulges in that kind of activity. And, I did try to cover that not only in my discussion description but also in question by using word 'human' because I have seen abuse directed towards both. It appears that I didn't word my discussion as it should have been, for which I take responsibility. It is my observation, though, that men do it much more women wherever I have been or whatever country's population I have been in contact with. I am not contradicting your experiences or observations, it is quite possible that, in your case, there were more women doing it than men! "I disagree vehemently. Women do this more often than you want to believe. You can even see some examples here on mylot with threads denigrating husbands/boyfriends the ones of which are completely lopsided or otherwise unwarranted" Your disagreement is appreciated, it provides everyone a better chance to grow and learn! I would say though, if you see the description in my discussion starter, I make distinction. The two important and notable issues here are that, and which you might have observed yourself, one the slang/abuse word itself. Have you noticed that even when "women" use abusive/slang words, the target is usually another persons' female relations!? like son of B..., mother.... etc. Second, abusing someone directly concerned like husband/boyfriend is not same as abusing someone who has nothing to do with the problem you have with other person!! like mother or wife or any female relation of one you are angry at! It doesn't make abusing the person directly concerned right though! You see from where I am coming!? Have you seen someone say 'son of a dog' or fatherfu....! Thank you for your sharing your perspectives, I appreciate!:-)

I am sorry for the confusion, theprogamer. Though I have never seen some of the abuses/slangs you are talking about but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Plus, direct abuse is still different, though despicable, than one directed at someone who has nothing to do with the problem. You are right, generalizations are made and that's just not right! Thank you for coming back and adding more to what you already said!:-)

There was some light confusion and yes I've seen women use some women-based slang. It does make for a "facepalm" situation. People overall don't realize they are doing it. In response to the other remark... I've heard father-f*cker before (and variants). I've also seen the f word attached at guys in general for various situations (namely in relationship talk or "All men are...[samples: dogs, f*cks, d*cks, losers or... attach f'ing in front of these remarks]" type talk), as well as the other samples I highlighted earlier. That part of my point is still there though. There is female based derogatory slang and words... but there is also the same type that is specifically male based.

I got the impression that you are generalizing though you didn't specifically say 'all men' but it was how you worded your discussion. Generalization doesn't also mean 'all' but only generally speaking. Anyways, I stand by what i said that abuse, in any form, is not only with men but also with women. I see and hear a lot of women abuse men too verbally if not physically.

You seem to be right, cdparazo, I think it could be worded better and sorry for the confusion! And, thank you for coming back and sharing your views, I appreciate and agree!:-)

Hello cdparazo!:-) Your views are appreciated, but I don't know from where this impression is formed that I am talking about 'all' men and physical abuse. I have cleared it in my comment to response above yours. I would like to hear your views, if there is any change!?:-)

Hello I_LUV_U!:-) I have the same observation that usually it's men who indulge themselves in such kind of abuse words. And, to me, it's a sign of their lack of respect for such respectable relations. If they do it just because they are careless, it's still a sign of irresponsibility and disrespect! You also seem to be right that mostly these are uncivilized people but to my surprise I have seen so many so called civilized people doing just that! I wonder if it's a habit they can't overcome!? There may never be utopia in this sense but we can always learn to be better and I do hope to see humans growing! Thanks for sharing your views, much appreciated!:-)

Hello julyteen!:-) You are right that men and women are equal in the eyes of who created them. It would be good if we refrain from doing such things that may be a sign of our lack of respect for others. Thanks for sharing!:-)

Hello Esoteric1! I too think that it would be hypocrite to not respect others' mothers by indulging in abusive slangs insulting this relationship but getting furious when others do the same. You are right that women are not weak actually. I said it in the sense that they are physically and emotionally weak, generally and relatively! You are also right that there are many women who are protectors of their families. Telling abusive men that they can do better and women not to accept it is the best way to go in my opinion too. Thanks for sharing!:-)

Hello lecanis!:-) Thank you lecanis for answering the very point I raised in my discussion starter. I would assume that you have read my comments because from responses that I got, it appears that I was unable to clearly state what I meant! You have raised some interesting points. First, that they don't even realize that they are abusing a relation that has nothing to do with someone's anger over another and second that it may be reminiscent of women being viewed as possessions rather than individuals having full personal identity, to which I tend to agree! It does make me feel sick that people don't pay attention to what they are saying and would insult none other than relations which, for the most part, are very respectable. Even if they aren't respectable for someone, it doesn't stand to reason that one should insult someone who has nothing to do with the situation between two individuals. Thanks for sharing your views!:-)

also to add when a man has to hit a woman to feel like a man then he is a coward and afraid of his weakness and is sick and should be treated or get help somewheres.

Hello foundmyangel, First of all, welcome to mylot. I hope you would be enjoying your participations here!:-) I am myself a man. I would first like to clear that nowhere in my discussion starter I said that all men are like this. Moreover, if you read my first two paragraphs, I am concerned with verbal abuse not the physical abuse which is also a grave matter but not the subject of this discussion. Perhaps, it is not that clear if one only reads the questions and not the opening parts but it is possible that I haven't worded it clear enough. I was, as an object of this discussion, concerned about slangs/abusive words existing in different cultures/societies which involve insulting women and women relations of a MAN and "verbally" raping a woman! So, with this clarification, I would like to hear your views!?

Hello irishkoolcat! Welcome to mylot. I hope you will enjoy your participations here!:-) You are right about abusive relations, but I was talking about abusive language and slang words used in different societies. They mainly target female relations of someone even if it is a man. The there are those who verbally rape other women by using vulgar and low language, I find it cowardly!