Now giving 10 percent but before I was unable to

@suspenseful (40192)
Canada
April 21, 2008 7:34pm CST
This is about tithes or rather the former times when one was unable to give the ten percent. Now I know that some churches, mine take it to mean that the tithe does not mean 10 percent but the first fruits what you got from God , from your paycheck. Now back to the question. Supposing for a long period of time, you were unable to give the whole ten percent, but maybe you gave five or two percent because that is what you could afford. Now you give the whole ten percent. Do you then have to make up for the times you were unable to?
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
22 Apr 08
Heck NO!
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
27 May 08
I just wonder then since the tithes are supposed to be for the pastor's salary and no one decides to pay tithes or even close to ten percent, or even about five percent, or if no one decides to pay anything (not that were about to happen) how would the pastor be able to preach the gospel, how would the church building be maintained? Because if they balk at paying even five percent or half a tithe, then do you think they are going to volunteer the money when the church roof needs fixing and the minister cannot preach because his boss (he had to take an outside job) says he cannot get Sundays off and there is no other job in town?
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
27 May 08
the Bishop of out church doesnt get paid and does have outside work to live on what thiths that are paid goies for all the fis up and things like that and I would saty that the Mormon CHurch is pretty rich!
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
14 Aug 08
None of our members are that wealthy. And our minister lives quite modestly, he is paid a salary according to his education. So the tithes go not only for his salary but also for fixing up the church. And for offerings, sometimes the bag is very heavy because some of the members will put a lot in.
@reinydawn (11643)
• United States
22 Apr 08
You know, that's a very good question... I personally feel that God will understand that when you don't have the money to give, you can't be as generous. But when you have it to give, you should give what you are capable of giving (tithe or no tithe - there should be no limit). Unfortunately, I don't think the pastors all feel that way.
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@reinydawn (11643)
• United States
27 May 08
I am very glad your church does not place a very strict policy for giving. We all have rough times and that would be a help to know that you wont be looked down upon if you have to hold back sometimes.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
6 Jul 08
I have to fight against what I was taught before I joined the church - that give until it hurts and what our church teaches that God owns everything anyway, and HE does not need our money, but we do it in thankfulness to HIM and so to preach God's word.
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
27 May 08
Our church uses the ten percent as a basis, and says that if you cannot afford to give, then you should give what you can. I know that all I can afford is the ten percent of my pension and Old Age Security and I cannot include the money I make online. I have not been able to save any money until recently, so if there were a disaster, I would really be suffering. Our pastor gets a salary equivalent to what one would make with his education and experience.
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@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
22 Apr 08
I was listening to a radio show just the other day where someone called in and asked this very question.. and the answer they gave was no.. I thought that was a good answer myself.
• United States
22 Apr 08
Ahah! How true!
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
22 Apr 08
I did not think I would have to make up, but I wanted to make sure. None of us could make up for our own shortfalls.
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• United States
14 Aug 08
So the questio is this: Can I get myself in debt with God? I see this is an old post, but thought I would throw in my 10 percent :) If you have been saved through faith in Jesus then you already owe to God a debt you can never pay. So to answer your question. NO! That would be based upon the requirement to give under the law of the old testament. After Jesus' resurection he set in place his covenant. Not giving based on law, but giving based on love. He gave his example by giving his all to us out of love not as a requirement. Now is there blessing in giving a tithe? You bet there is. God has very specific blessing that are aimed at the tither. Other blessings for those who give an offering above and beyond the tithe. But as far as him holding a debt over your head, it is not happening.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
16 Aug 08
I have a debt that I can never pay because HE through Christ nailed my sins on the cross. But it takes time for the old beliefs to leave. I give tithes because it helps to pay the pastor's salary and fixes the church building, pays for the organist. I cannot give more than ten percent. I do not want to give more because then I would consider it as offering God a bribe for HIS favor. Our Church believes that all we own belongs to God, and the elders say to give what you can afford.
• United States
22 Apr 08
wow that is a question I had never even thougth of. I wouldnt think God is keeping tabs on what is earned and expects payment back tho. If you are able to give your 10percent now that is great and I wouldnt really think you would have to do more unless you feel moved to do so.
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• United States
22 Apr 08
I agree with this poster. I dont think God is going to beat you down cuz you didnt "make it up". Lord knows I sure havent been keeping tabs :(
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
10 May 08
I hope he does not even though it seems that sometimes some people can afford to give twenty or more percent. It seems as though these give as much as you can or give as much as it hurts are directed towards those without that much money. Or at least that is what it seems. I gather that God does not like a resentful giver and if I gave more than ten percent I would be resentful.
• Philippines
23 Apr 08
Tithe preachers (I would say) uses this verse: Malachi 3:8,10 lets study this verse one by one Chapter 8: "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbe me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Chapter 10: "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of Hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shallnot be room enough ot receive it." ---Who is commanded here in this verse to give and to claim tithes? Malachi 4:4 "rember ye the law of Moses my servant, wich I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with statutes and judgements." Hebrews 7:5 "And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren....." Cleary the Israel is the one being commanded here and obligue to give their tithes 10% of their income, take note, not Just in Monetary form? So whose entitled to collect tithes? from the verse: "..the sons of Levi who receive the office of priesthood".....definitely not those pastors today. Ask your pastor, are you a son of Levi? Im pretty sure, not. So why pastor collects tithes today if they are not the one being commanded to? 2 Corinthians 2:17 "For we are not as many which corrupt the word of God;..." 2 Corinthians 12:14 "....for I seek not yours, but you; for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, buth..." --simply they are corrupt and seeks only their only gain. Never in the bile we can read that Christ and His apostles teaches the Christian to give tithes or 10% of their income but we can read the ff. If tithes are not commanded to Christians, what teachings should we follow? 2 Corinthians 9:7 "Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver." ----so a Christian must give according to his heart. It is a christians free will to give any amount he wanted too.
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
24 Apr 08
That sounds like it is correct. I try to give what I can. I did give ten percent this time and it is just a general idea. Sometimes I may not be able to do that much. I would like to help out when I can. I was also thinking of Hebrews when they told about Melchazidek (I do not think I spelled it correctly) and Abraham giving him tithes. So that was what I was concerned about, whether the writer to the Hebrews meant that the tithes having predated the Mosaic Law still applied.
• Philippines
13 Aug 08
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@KrauseHome (36447)
• United States
23 Apr 08
There have been many times in my life where I have not been able to give to God like I should. Some of these times were due to Health to where I could not work, and sometimes other financial things as well. I do find though being blessed more of god when I can give my 10% and wish I could have done so more often in the past as well. I have occassionally gave a little more to make up for the times I was unable too, but for the most part, it would all depend on if I have it to give or not, and how much I need or want the Lord to bless me.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
27 May 08
I do not believe in the prosperity gospel and I know that if I gave more then ten percent of my pensions, since I did not believe in the prosperity gospel, God would not bless me. I can only give what I can. Right now I cannot make up the shortfall as there are also shortfalls in other areas. And I do not want to give more and find it did not do any good. I tried it in other areas, and that did not work. I also do not want to give and resent what I gave. When I feel that I can give, and not have the resentment that I could have used this for something else, then I can make up part of the shortfalls.
@lingli_78 (12822)
• Australia
22 Apr 08
no, i don't think God will ask us to payback for the 10% tithes that we are unable to give to him in the past... i don't think that He even needs our money at all... it is us that need to give offerings to Him as our way to say thank you for all the blessings that He had given to us... if we didn't give it, He won't ask for it as well... it is also another way to show that we love Him more than our money...
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
27 May 08
I would think that that tithe is to pay for the minister's salary and to make sure that the church building does not fall apart. Many of our members were unable to give as much because there were too many members and the ones with their own businesses happened to live in the South end of the district, and the ones that are here are mainly working middle class, so what happened? We just recently got the basement wall insulated after two years.
@winterose (39887)
• Canada
22 Apr 08
you give what you can give, when you can give it, and that means if you can afford to give much more than 10 percent you do, it is all for god's work. If you can't you don't. If at this particular time in your life if all you can is 10 percent, even if you couldn't in the past that is still okay.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
16 Jun 08
I can afford to give ten percent but not more than that, and at sometimes I cannot even give that. I do not know what is considered luxury or necessities in as far as things go. I lived with people who went through the depression and to them, even a new dress when they had money now was considered a luxury and they sure would have thought eating fresh vegetables was a waste of time. So my ideas of luxuries and necessities were screwed up. I mean it took me a long time to realize that if it was a necessity for everyone else, it was also a necessity for me and I had a perfect right to buy it. So I think that I was giving more than I should have. So maybe God said to me,YOU only need to give five percent, but then I gave seven.
@Grandmaof2 (7579)
• Canada
14 Aug 08
I don't know who your God is but mine is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ, and I don't have to play games around the lord to see if I'll be punished. I used to go to church and I mean faithfully, as a matter of fact I did the books for the church for two years. I know first hand what everyone gave. I kept the totals to myself which is more than I can say for many others. I no longer give tithes, I no longer attend church on a regular basis and when I do attend a church yes I give a donation but only what I can afford, which is usually 5.00 which has absolutely zip zero to do with what I make each month. I believe in the lord and I would never start or end my day without saying my prayers, always giving thanks for the many blessinbgs of my day and always asking that my family is cared for. I have many many many times had my prayers answered. I know for a fact that I will never go to hell based on the collection plate. Give what you feel comfortable with, I feel comfortable with my Lord in heaven.
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
16 Aug 08
My God is the same God of Abraham, Isaac, Moses, Peter, Paul, etc. I give tithes because if we did not, our minister or pastor would have to take another job and not dedicate himself to preaching the sermons, and to the work of the Lord. I may not give ten percent sometimes, but that is because I needed the money. And I do not want to put God to the test to see if HE will bless me if I could afford to give ten percent but gave five percent instead. I do not want to fall into that trap. So the tithe is not to make the pastor rich, but it also provides for the upkeep of the Church. I do pray in the am, grace at meals, and pray in the evening before going to bed. We also give collections to help the poor and I do not give that much as I cannot afford that. By the way, so far our tithes are tax deductible because they are to maintain the Church. But I am a member of the church and our church system is set up in such a way that there are checks and balances.
• Kottayam, India
23 May 08
it is not how much pay but much heart goes with it.you can give what you have in lean period, and when you have enough you can compensate what is lacking. God Bless you dear.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
27 May 08
I just do not want to give so that I feel resentful and find that what I waneeded was so delayed that I got too old to enjoy it. I think there is something about God loving a cheerful giver. Right now I can only afford ten percent and then there are the other things. So if you count the tithe, the membership in the Women's Society, various causes, I cannot give more than that. If I were to make up the shortfall, I might not have enough left and that would make me resentful.
@lexus54 (3572)
• Singapore
22 Apr 08
I have always been giving tithe since the time I started going to church. Tithe is a symbolic way of expressing gratitude to God for what has done for us by giving back a portion of what belongs to God. Admittedly when I was still working and earning a salary, I gave quite generously although it was less than 10 percent. But since I stopped earning a salary three and a half years ago, I have not changed the amount I used to give when I work. I don't think giving is a retrospective thing, as in having to make up for any kind of earlier shortfalls. We give in trust and from the heart, within our means possible. I have always trusted God to provide, and you know what, He has not disappointed me. He has always provided for me, more than what I can wish, and even in these few years when I am not earning a salary, He still provides somehow in His own ways, and not a day I have ever wondered where my next meal is going to come from.
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@johndur (3052)
• Pasig, Philippines
24 Apr 08
is it really necessary to give 10 percent of what you earn to the church?i thought that law about tithes are already obsolete because it was already revised by Jesus in the new testament which is the cheerful giver thing.giving to the church what your heart can give.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
27 May 08
There is those verses in Hebrews 7: 2 to 9. I think that the Hebrews had the same idea thinking they did not need to give to the Church. It says we are to freely give, and it seems that God thought of 10 percent as the least that would be freely given, since when you save ten percent of your salary, you do not miss that. Also that money given as tithes to the Church is income tax deductible (at least it is in Canada), but no one is going to tell you that outright. So at least you give the ten percent and you will get it back or most of it.
@dix19on (118)
• United States
7 Jul 08
i give god what i can if i have my ten percent i give it. if not he donot get it .some time i just donot have it and im not going to rob our steal.so my question to you is are you going to hell for not paying your dues.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
7 Jul 08
I try to give the ten percent, I did it off the money I make from my pensions, but since I have had some bad times - not financially, but my husband having a mini stroke and could not get into proper therapy until this week, and our plans to go to Florida shot and probably forever, that perhaps God wants me to pay the tithe on my interest as well. I have heard that if you do not give the whole ten percent then bad things happen. I do not want to test God, but perhaps maybe I should. It might not be going to hell, but it might be that God would not answer one of your prayers with a yes instead of the usual no.
@cripfemme (7698)
• United States
22 Apr 08
I tithe as well, and take it very seriously. I don't give all my money to the church, because I don't believe that's what God intended. In the United Church of Christ, at least the branch I belong to, it is considered acceptable to support social justice organizations and consider your donations to them as part of your tithing obligations. As to the second part of your question, I don't believe that you need to make up the exact amount you should have tithed. However, I believe in giving a little extra if you can afford it.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
22 Apr 08
I believe we do what we can. I give my tithes, but I doubt that God would want me to go without the necessities. I can never understand people who will give everything they own. Or people who think that you have too much and should give more to the church. God loves a cheerful giver not a resentful one. I will help others through my offerings, but if I put $1.00 in the collection plate rather than fifty cents, that will mean I will go without something I need. We have services twice a day.
• Philippines
22 Apr 08
No you don't have to give that..Tithes should be given heartily and not 10 percent of your salary. Give as you can. Nothing forceful. It doesn't mean that when you give a few you will go to hell..give freely..As it was said in the bible..Freely, freely I give unto you..Freely freely give.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
26 May 08
Ten percent is nothing to me now, but it was before I got my Old Age Security and since my husband does not go to church, I would like to give the ten percent, but nothing over that. I do get it back as it is a charity, but I do not want to be charged for what I could not give before. And I do not want to feel that "Oh I have to," I know that 10 percent is a reference point and that means giving God back something of what HE gave us and the what we gave us is for the pastor so he can preach the sermons without having to work elsewhere and neglect his studies. I would hate that I had to make up for what I was unable to give, and I would hate to think that I would have to give more like fifteen percent. I could not afford that.
@stephcjh (38473)
• United States
22 Apr 08
I would sure hope that we didn't have to go back and make up for it. I have never been able to afford to give much to a church. It takes everything we have just to survive anymore. I would love to help the church out but then my family would go without because of it. I just cannot afford to give like that.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
27 May 08
God understands. It is the ones who afford to give, that HE is mad at. I could not afford to give and I gave a little more than that and I went without a lot of things. Now I can afford to give ten percent, but that is all. Even though it is income tax deductible, I have to wait until March or April of next year to get the money back. I cannot afford to make up the back tithes if you want to call it that.
@cdparazo (5765)
• Philippines
22 Apr 08
I can't really say because honestly, I have never ever given that comes close to 10% of what I earn to church. I am Catholic and I just give what I feel like giving. It doesn't even come close to 1% of what I earn. Though I feel I little now but normally, it doesn't bother me. For one thing, we are not required to give the 10% to the church. But instead, we are encourage to do works of mercy and to be more giving. I give in other ways besides money.
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
27 May 08
I was wondering who pays the father who preaches the sermon at Mass. Surely the money has to come from somewhere. One percent seems very small.
@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
22 Apr 08
Take a long unprejudiced look at your Gifts to God. Do you think your tithes are the best way to help in God's world? Does God really care how you Give, or to whom? For instance, is there a poor family living near you who would benefit more from your tithes, than would the Church (which probably uses your money to further the Ministry)The Christian Church (of late) is getting some very poor reviews (even from the Pope). Perhaps you could better spend your 10% elsewhere!
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
23 Apr 08
Oh you really think that low of me. First I used to be one of those poor people, second we have the collection plate that is for the "needy at home and abroad" and I put my money in it, third, I used to make $80.00 now I get a little over $600. My husband is not a church goer, so I cannot take ten percent of his money and give to the church, fourth the tithe goes to pay the minister's salary and do repairs and upgrades to the Church, and fourth I live in a working class middle class neighborhood where most of the people are working for someone and not for themselves.
@rlc456 (415)
• United States
22 Apr 08
I'm sure there are others things you give from your heart that total to your 10%. I think God understands. I feel its not just 10% of money it totals to our works we do also.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
27 May 08
I think ten percent is fair. If you are unable to give, because you have so much debt, and by doing so, you will not be able to eat, pay your utilities, taxes, etc. and cloth yourself or pay shelter, then God would understand if you cannot pay ten percent, but if you are able to maintain your household and have a lot left over, and can fork away a lot for stocks and bonds, surely ten percent of your salary seems fair.