If I took a vow of silence
By p1kef1sh
@p1kef1sh (45681)
April 26, 2008 5:02pm CST
would typing into a forum, or discussion board, or IM count for or against me. I am not thinking of rushing off to be a monk just yet, let alone one that requires ordinands to take a vow of silence. But you never know. However, in a recent discussion (posted by a lovely Scottish lady in a very loud and proud sort of way) she conjectured that typing might, or might not, constitute a breach of those vows. What is the general opinion on that? Will I be thrown bodily over the Monastery wall, or am I in the clear?
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@cynicalandoutspoken (4725)
• United States
27 Apr 08
The written word is not a voice. I don't think you will be thrown into the moat for typing if you chose to take a vow of silence. But I couldn't see why anyone with such an amazing voice would ever want to voluntarily silence it.
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@cynicalandoutspoken (4725)
• United States
27 Apr 08
How could I have been so stupid? OMG! If there is anyone who would be able to procure a sixpence for me of course it would be you!
Yes, this week sounds good for a conversation. Just let me know the day and time and I will be there with bells and lingerie on!
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@TravisE (440)
• United States
29 Apr 08
It all depends on the objective of the vow. Some are simply to quiet the monkey mind and for the processing of communication to be slower. Those are fine with allowing for writing. If the goal is to force the human drive to relate to be directed to only God, then even writing should be avoided and possibly so should non-communication contact with other human beings.
It all depends on what you are trying to accomplish, or what facility you are trying to develop.
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@skinnychick (6905)
• United States
26 Apr 08
That's a good question. I would equate silence with noise i.e. talking or lack thereof. So I would have to say that typing is not breaking a vow of silence.
I don't know much about monks so I can't say if they consider typing talking. But they do remove themselves from the outside world and technology in ways so they may actually consider typing as breaking that vow. That is, if they ever were around computers. I can't see a monk sitting at a computer seems like a weird picture.
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@skinnychick (6905)
• United States
26 Apr 08
Thanks for the interesting information. I would not have known that.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
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26 Apr 08
I think that some monks, and nuns, are very computer literate. Many monasteries and convents have web site etc. I had an ancestor that was a monk and I corresponded with his Abbey by e mail whilst researching my family. But whilst I think that typing might be seen as a distraction, I am not sure that it is in contravention of a vow of silence either. Perhaps a kindly blogging monk might pass by and put me straight.
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@sparkofinsanity (20471)
• Regina, Saskatchewan
27 Apr 08
You a Monk? LOL That's it, putting you on You-Tube in your bra for sure and sending to every monk with a computer I know so that you never get accepted to the monastic life! The very idea! *pout, pout*
I doubt they'll throw you over the wall anyway. The world is changing even in Monastaries. PC's are de rigour everywhere you know. Even in cloisters. Monks are canny creatures P1ke. If you could show them a way to make money online they'd let you have at it for sure. But you'd have to change your user name to Monkfish! ROFL
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@whiteheron (4222)
• United States
27 Apr 08
Well, I know of people who took vows of silence and they did often write down things for their followers. They just did not talk so I think that you may be in the clear.
I do think though that it might not actually be in the spirit of complete silence though as you are here going out of your way to converse and are not just doing it because you have to in order to exist or to complete the duties that are assigned to you or to educate and assist followers.
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@nannacroc (4049)
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27 Apr 08
As long as you mute the sound on the computer and press the keys quietly I would think you'd be safe.
I've often wondered about cughing or sneezing, do you have to silence them as well?
@nannacroc (4049)
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27 Apr 08
But would a mouse be quiet on the keyboard? Shouldn't you be as quiet as a fish?
@pumpkinjam (8769)
• United Kingdom
28 Apr 08
As far as I know, when people do a sponsored silence or anything like that, they communicate by writing so it would be ok. Apart from that, you're still silent. It's not a vow of no conversation is it? Just a vow of silence so as long as you don't use a scratchy pen or bang too hard on the keyboard then it should be acceptable!
@pumpkinjam (8769)
• United Kingdom
28 Apr 08
Well, being a monk is different but for general purpose silence then I think it's ok to just not speak. Are monks allowed to snore?
@p1kef1sh (45681)
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28 Apr 08
I think that it depends upon the circumstances. Schoolchildren doing a sponsored silence are probably OK to write notes etc. But within a religious surroundings then nothing should interfere with your ability to channel your thoughts to God. I think I shall hold fire on moving to a monastery for a bit. I am way to talkative.
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@Darkwing (21583)
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27 Apr 08
Sorry, my friend, but I think you would be thrown over the Monastery wall. The vow of silence is taken in order that the monk may go beyond the noise from inside and outside himself, will be able to hear the cry of others, as well as the call of God.
If you're typing, and interacting with fellow Mylotians, then you're not going beyond the noise from inside and outside. You are allowing it inside the mind. Therefore, you can't hear the cry of others and the call of God.
Brightest Blessings, my friend.
@p1kef1sh (45681)
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27 Apr 08
It has taken 36 posts but at last you have come to deliver the final, and positive answer to my question Darkwing. I was nearly convinced that typing would be acceptable. But I know that it is not. Thank you my Friend. If you wouldn't mind catching my suitcase. I'm coming over the wall!
@ElicBxn (63608)
• United States
27 Apr 08
Ya know, my former roommate decided to try not talking for an hour once a day for a while. She decided that brief notes were okay, but not whole writen conversations. She would try finger spelling to me, but I am lousy at spelling, I can read fine, but if you spell a word of more than a few letters aloud or with finger spelling I get lost.
I finally told her that a point was fine, but fingerspelling was conversation. We did develope a few specific signs for the cats' we had then names.
@ElicBxn (63608)
• United States
27 Apr 08
Well, she can hold an entire conversation with only the slightest encouragement from me with a few grunts and "uh-hu"s. That suits me just as well actually. I rather thought myself that if she was going to be silent, then she should also use the time for prayer. I can go for hours with out talking, but I will also go to sleep.... I need to read or watch tv or something, even better if I'm doing something with my hands to keep me awake.
@mummymo (23706)
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27 Apr 08
Well isn't the vow of silence meant to make the monk reflect on his own thoughts and relationship with God? somehow I think that typing on mylot or anyplace else would contavene that vow. Please, please don't ever do that pike my darling - we would be too sad without you to cheer up our days! xxx
@applefreak (3130)
• Singapore
27 Apr 08
personally i don't think you'll be thrown out of the monastery. the way i look at it, the vow of silence is meant to stop a person from saying what's on his mind. not that you're not supposed to say it at all. but by not being able to talk, you actually need to take the time to pause and think how to get it across.
i'm sure the monks/nuns have their own way of communicating. sign language is still communication. nothing sets it apart from typing. so the vow is not to stop you from communicating with another, but just to make you HAVE TO stop and think about what you are about to say.
@applefreak (3130)
• Singapore
28 Apr 08
i won't say they are desperately trying to communicate with each other. but sign language do include a bow to show appreciation or a frown to show displeasure. so in a way they are still communicating with another. maybe they do consciously try to avoid communication unnecessary. unless a person stays alone, with no single soul in sight, mind or reach, it's impossible to NOT communicate with another. cheers :D
@danishcanadian (28953)
• Canada
12 May 08
I like to take things extremely literally, so for me silence would mean "lack o sound, or lack of speech.
If they wanted me to take a vow of "not typing, chatting, texting, myloting, etc" they would need to specify that.
@34momma (13882)
• United States
26 Apr 08
LOL i am not sure really. what an interesting question you have post here. i am going to A$$UME, that posting and chatting on IM would be cheating just a little bit,. good thing you are not going off to become a monk my friend
@p1kef1sh (45681)
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26 Apr 08
I can see it from both sides. I am communicating and not concentrating on my faith, albeit silently, but I am not actually making any noise. The deal is that I use all my energies to channel my prayers and devotional thoughts. Good job I am not going off to be a monk. I did have the most wonderful apple pie in a convent in Ireland once.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
28 Apr 08
I think discussing or typing into a forum would be considered part of the vow of silence. The vow of silence includes not only talking, but writing. After all, there are probably deaf monks as well so the vow would have to include something they could do, like typing on mylot to tell of the Abbot's love of cream cheese with onions on his ham and rye sandwich.
So you decide to be a monk and have an overlying desire to myLot, you had better hope there is a pile of mattresses on the other side of the wall.
@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
27 Apr 08
I think, p1kef1sh, that your vow should be considered in the manner you originally perceived it. Was your intent no communication, or simply no vocal communication? I have learned that when people are deprived of one way of communicating they will invariably find another way to communicate. It is human nature. Written communication would not qualify as vocal communication in my book.