Christian societies tend to have more criminals
By naaadh
@naaadh (217)
United States
June 10, 2008 6:57am CST
Why does day after day more crimes are commited in christian societies? There does not come a day in the US which someone would murder a fellow human, would do a bank robbery, or would rape a woman. Does Christianity really supports these acts?
I believe to some extent it does support these acts. Christianity is based on the event which Prophet Jesus was said to be crucified. In Christian belief it is such that, Prophet Jesus is son of God, and that he has sacrificed himself, and paid for all the sins of the whole human kind that came after he was born. Maybe this is the reason why we see so many crimes. If someone has paid for our sins, why should not we sin? Our sins have already been paid for. I asked this question to a missionary, and he said that, forgiveness is only to those who repent. If Jesus did do such a huge sacrifice, and if all the humans never sin, then all the sacrifices that he did is in vain. So Christians are suppose to sin, in order to value their lords sacrifice. And another thing which i came across, from the words of a missionary is that, if you sin your whole life, and at your old age if you repent, your sins are forgiven. This is well good news to those teenagers, and growing up kids. It encourages them to have a life filled with nothing but "fun". They all say they can repent later.
If someone has paid for a restaurant, and told you to eat anything you want, will you stay from eating, or will you eat everything on the menu? If Prophet Jesus has paid for our sins, there is nothing wrong in sinning as much as we want, and later when we grow old we can repent. I used to be a Christian, but i have found enough flaws in Christianity, that i switched to Islam.
On the topic "Was Jesus Really Crucified", a christian missionary, and a muslim lecturer debates...
(8 parts)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJOn4lFVkIw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-wFkN-UhTY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI0DyEmkS0M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W18TQhBrFZA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E4XBD1741U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YguT5fBH0m8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7-tV06wYxs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLe7CGFl3M0
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22 responses
@maryrajam1962 (257)
• Malaysia
10 Jun 08
Hi you should live in Malaysia a muslim country where there are more crimes than Christian countries. Kindly check the facts before talking bad about Christianity.
@naaadh (217)
• United States
10 Jun 08
hi. i have been to Malaysia 4 times. My brother, sister-in-law, grandmother and two of my friends live in Malaysia. My brother attends Malaysia Monash University. I have never seen to the least any sort of crime or heard of any during my stay in Malaysia. And all the rest of the people living in Malaysia from my family never experienced anything like that. I know Malaysia very well. Very much connected to us Maldivians. Maybe from the Christian district there are some disturbances?
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@momoftwingles (129)
• United States
10 Jun 08
Hmmmm....I'd certainly argue (accurately, I might add) that "communities" of all faiths have crime. It is not that the faith supports the crime. Anyone can find "flaws" in any religious doctrine if they try. I'm not saying anything negative about your conversion to Islam...but if you look through the same t(a)inted glasses, you will find flaws there as well. Sorry that I'm not going to go watch your propaganda videos. Stop hating. That is the problem with religion...(all religion)...and I consider myself a Christian...and I say this in faith and after consideration and prayer: The people of faith (any faith) who ruin it for the rest of the people in that faith. You come across very ignorant and others might just see that as a flaw in YOUR faith.
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@naaadh (217)
• United States
10 Jun 08
The videos are put it to those only interested. Its not a special Islamic preaching video which tells you to become a Muslim. But a debate between two faiths.
And im trying to discuss of what i believe about Christianity now, as i was once a part of it.
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@eden32 (3973)
• United States
10 Jun 08
Humans make mistakes. All humans- Christians, Muslim, Jews, Pagans, atheist make mistakes/sin. If you are sorry for your mistake, you apologize and try to make it right. Call it repenting or call it a change of heart, like mistakes regret is also something all humans experience. Children & teenagers don't make mistakes because they figure oh I can repent later- children make mistakes because they are children & they are learning. Which really is no different than adults, we are always learning & sinning/making a mistake is part of how we learn & grow.
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@naaadh (217)
• United States
10 Jun 08
Only Christians are "born as sinners" (A missionary told me himself), where as in Islam, babies are born pure, and its this world which makes it to the man we see before our eyes. So you see the difference. Christianity is based on sinning. It encourages sinning.
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@dreadlord (31)
• Maldives
10 Jun 08
well after knowing the truth i also converted to the real and only true religion.If jesus was god's son how can he die?And why would god send him to earth?WHY!!!And would god just watch Jesus being crucified?!it's totally ridiculous!If Jesus paid for your sins then why are law enforcers there?why!there is no need of them!Even if you do wrong ur not sinning.In Islam you get blessings for the right things you do and sins for the things you do wrong or things which are prohibited.Isnt that sensible?
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@maryrajam1962 (257)
• Malaysia
10 Jun 08
You think you know Malaysia when you don't live here. I have been to other country for your information and I did not see as many crimes as I see here. Islam encourage more sinning than Christianity. For muslms it is alright to commit sin as they can come out of hell. As for Christians they cannot come out of hell as it you have to stay there forever. Muslims treat women as second class citizen. Women can be beaten by their muslim husbands and women are inferior creatures in Islam. Two women witnesses are equal to one muslim male in Islamic court. Women are forced to cover their hair as exposure of hair will attract rapist. In this country most of the rapists are muslims and most of their victims cover their hair.
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@naaadh (217)
• United States
10 Jun 08
I presume that you have not seen because you did not look for it, or maybe you visited as a tourist?
In Islam, if a person does a sin and asks for forgiveness he or she is forgiven. But, if that sin was committed thinking he will repent later, it wont be forgiven. Whereas in Christianity, it is so easy to commit sins. No matter what sin you have done, no matter how brutal your life has been, and even if you had repented in the past, you are forgiven. People takes this for grant and sin. I have lots of Christian friends, and all of them are true Christians. But within every two words they would say "F%% Jesus", and words like that. They take their own lord as a joke, a phrase. And about Muslims and hell, unlike most Christians, Muslims do fear hell. And even if they are taken out of hell, Muslims know the extent of punishment in there. See some of the top Muslim countries, like Mecca. Crime never occurs there. NEVER. Just mild enough to say never. And I'm in a 100% Muslim country Maldives. Why don't you come here and see how many criminals are there, how peaceful it is. World knows Maldives as a peaceful place. And i don't mind how many times you say that i don't know anything about Malaysia, i regret that, i do know a lot about Malaysia.
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@naaadh (217)
• United States
10 Jun 08
Thats a lame excuse you are showing. Here in Maldives, lots of non Muslims, who are not residents of Maldives lives. But we don't kill them, nor do we force them in to believe anything. Them practice their beliefs with freedom. Check other countries.
Now to the point where you said Muslims kill, which occurs only in the middle east. It has happened only when the Americans poked their nose in middle east, invaded those countries and killed thousands of innocent lives to begin with, for nothing! Muslims should kill those who invade their countries. Muslims should kill those who take over them. We both know this is the truth.
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@maryrajam1962 (257)
• Malaysia
10 Jun 08
Islam is not a religion of peace. It encourage killing of non muslim. Check the Koran! Jesus did die on the Christ and I know about the lies of Islam very well as I was once a religous teacher!
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@maryrajam1962 (257)
• Malaysia
10 Jun 08
Hi There are no disturbance in Christian area. Most crimes are from muslim areas and most crimes are commited by muslims. You are just a visitor to Malaysia. Why don't you immigrate to Malaysia since you claim Islam is a good religon and since some of your family member live here? Do you know many muslims here are waiting to renounce Islam? Check the facts before making blind accusations!
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@naaadh (217)
• United States
10 Jun 08
Even though I'm a visitor i know Malaysia very well. And in every part of the world there are crime makers. I'm not saying that there are none. What I'm saying is that more Christians are emerging as criminals. And even though you are from Malaysia, it does not mean that others don't consider the fact of your country and how it is. I know a lot about Malaysia. These are not fake accusation's. I suggest you take a ticket to other parts of the world, and then you will know where your country lies in the criminal records. You know that Christianity does encourage sinning.
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@naaadh (217)
• United States
10 Jun 08
What ever you say, Malaysia in on the majority Muslim countries list. 16,750,240 people from Malaysia are Muslims which is 60.4% of the total population. I can imagine if a mass amount of people of the 60.4% are waiting to renounce from islam, ill know about it.
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@MrNiceGuy (4141)
• United States
12 Jun 08
You can in no way claim that Christianity promotes sinning. It expressly does not. It does have a forgiving loving God, unlike that of Islam and other religions, but it does not base itself on sin or the fact that sin is acceptable.
Sinning happens everywhere. The US and the West are not "CHristian societies" they are societies that have Christians in them. In the west government and religion are separated.
@WhatsHerName (2716)
• United States
13 Jun 08
Ha ha, and "there are no gays in Iran" as the president tried to tell some students here in the U.S.
Did you ever think that maybe there is just as much crime in Islamic states only it's not reported because the press isn't free to report such things. You are in for a big surprise when you die, the first one will be that Jesus is God and Muhommad was just a man who molested a 6 year old little girl and had a mental problem.
Post all the debates you like that Jesus didn't die on the cross, that won't make it true. 
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@revdauphinee (5703)
• United States
11 Jun 08
you may find more criminals in a christian society because christians allow freedom and not all who live in that comunity must or even are christians unlike some comunities we are allowed free will !if we choose the wrong path it is then our falt and we will eventualy pay the price (hell)we are definatly not supposed to sin we are if we are a christian supposed to love others never to kill and to allow Gods gift of free will to be acted upon My God will forse no one to accept him it has to be our choise to do so !
@shobhan51 (376)
• Malaysia
11 Jun 08
How one interprets the bible or any other religious books depends on individuals. The statement that christians are the ones who sin is a sweeping statement. I am neither a muslim nor a christian but I feel no religion is flawless. It is up to us to study the text and interpret it the way we want. I discard what I feel is not applicable in my religion today and only hold on to what is acceptable as all religions have to evolve with the times.
@shobhan51 (376)
• Malaysia
13 Jun 08
I am from Malaysia and I fully agree with Maryrajam. We cannot say that Islam is a better religion than other religions. Yes there are Muslims here who wish to renounce Islam but are strictly forbidden to do so. Other religions do not set so hard and fast rules. There has been cases here in Malaysia where those brave enough to leave Islam, were subjected to ill-treatment. The religious dept. here also issue fatwas (Islamic term used by the religious dept. to control deviants and deviation from the norm)
Religion is one's own communion with one's God. Why should anyone human dictate to another which religion or values one should adopt. If we study religion and its basic philosophy, all religions seem to have the same basic ethics and moral values based on universal human rights.
Religious values should in fact make human beings more moral conscious, civilised and cultured. I believe all followers of the various world religions have to respect each other for unity in diversity is what God himself really wants.
@shobhan51 (376)
• Malaysia
13 Jun 08
Naaadh, you stated that crime is more among Christians, what do you say about the killings done in the name of Islam? Do you think that was right?
@shobhan51 (376)
• Malaysia
13 Jun 08
In this blog itself, I have come across Christians who respect all other religions and their values, but I have yet to come across Muslims except for those like Salman Rushdie and Taslima Nasreen, who have created waves in the Muslim world just because they criticised Islam and its outdated values. Those Muslims brave enough to stand against Islam are being tortured and hunted by the Muslim world for their criticism on Islam. Have you ever heard of Non-Muslims who criticised their own faith being hunted this way by believers of their faith? If there is please let me know.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
10 Jun 08
Naaadh, do you realize how much of your life you waste disliking people you do not even know and trying to be *right* about them and their beliefs?
There are over 300 MILLION people living in the U.S. so, yes, there is going to be crime, the more heinous ones will be widely reported but that does not mean that the majority of Americans behave that way. A reasoning person would also see that those who commit horrible crimes against others cannot be Christians because their hearts are black. Your understanding of what it means to be a Christian and what Jesus Christ sacrificed his life for is very lacking and, if you sincerely wanted to understand, I would be more than happy to spend hours sharing my beliefs with you but, I've read your posts, and that's not where your interests lie. If Islam is your choice, I am happy for you because that is an honorable religion and one that will bring you peace and joy if you let it. But, don't make assumptions about all Christians and what we believe because, again, you've got it wrong. I'm not interested in viewing debates about whether Jesus was crucified on the cross or not because my faith does not require hard evidence. My faith is what is in my heart. My faith is what keeps me from sinning as I travel through life because my faith dictates that I do the best that I can at all times. If I fail then my faith will forgive me if I ask for forgiveness but it's not something that can be faked.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
10 Jun 08
Thanks kcook. Some of the things people believe still shocks me...I don't know why. Hugs back atcha!
@Daninaband (120)
• United States
11 Jun 08
Lol Your Kidding right? lol Do you even know what a Christian society is? It sure isn't what you described here.
Prophet Jesus? Hmmm? If your placing Jesus at such a low level. Condemning men for there action of sin. This does not make any sense. If your saying Murder and act of violence is wrong then why in your religion is it ok to strap bombs to yourselves and commit Murder? Blowing yourself up along with innocent others. Isn't this what your trying to blame on Christians? Come on now. Get it right.
@Zergonipal (807)
• Poland
10 Jun 08
You know that you are offending Christians with such view of this case? If you knew that your own mother is always paying for everything you destroy in the shop is this enough for you to go and demolish this shop? Think before you write something stupid. It's not true that all you have to do to say "sorry God, I didn't wanted to be a bad man" before you die. You won't understand who deserve salvation and who doesn't, couse you simply can't. You're not the one that judges people.
There are bad peoples everywhere and you are refering to a small part of them that thinks that are Christians but they aren't. They are simple sinners and sometimes monsters too. Don't put in the same line Christians and human monsters. You can too say that policemans are killers, couse thay can shoot to people and then walk free. Some of them even kills people without reason, or are overusing their position. Hell yeah! Policemans are bad peoples!
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
11 Jun 08
you actually only know what you "THINK" you know and that is what you are expressing here. Just because you say it is so does not in any way mean that it is. You need to stop believing that you can't be wrong just because you think you aren't . You are being very foolish and making a fool of yourself....open your mind up a bit there!
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@Zergonipal (807)
• Poland
11 Jun 08
It's quite sad that you think that you can repent for such a sins like rape. I think that you are making fools of everyone here and make them post here for your cash, or you are just really blind. I hope that this is that first thing. I see you have NO IDEA about Christianity. Only fools says that they know something when they don't. A wise man first want to gain atleast some knowledge about the case he want to talk about. You are reffering to criminals and you are saying that any other Christian can be like them, couse there's no reason why he shouldn't be. This is just pitiful. I think that all of us should pray for you, couse you really need some wisdom.
@lissavalerian (247)
• United States
13 Jun 08
What? People can't repent for rape? I thot there was only one sin that was considered "unforgivable".
@maryrajam1962 (257)
• Malaysia
11 Jun 08
Naaahd, I am standing alive because I move out of muslim area and I now live in a non muslim area. I do not mix with Muslims and keep my distance from them. I take all precaautions so that I do end up up as one of their vcitims. In the western countries some so called Christians do not practise their faith. Here in Malaysia you can come across muslims who pray 5 times a day and rape their own family members! When I mention many muslims want to remounce Islanm here I did not say all 60% of the msulim population want to renounce Islam. At least 10% of the so called 60% muslim population in Malaysia are not Muslims.
@maryrajam1962 (257)
• Malaysia
11 Jun 08
Regarding the non muslim country that I seen. I did not go there as a toursit. I worked and lived in that county for some time.. Yes the crime rate was very low compared to my country Malaysia. My mother is from another non muslim country and she too commented that there are more crimes in Malaysia compared to her county.
@getnbuy (1312)
• United States
11 Jun 08
You are very confused. All of society is committing crimes and these are supported by the devil or the adversary. Jesus Christ does not say crimes are alright. He says repent and don't do them any more. He also says to live a sinless life, not wait until the last minute to repent and start being good. We are judged by what we do in this life. I am sure your religion is the same. Religion does not encourage evil. Satan does.
@Idlewild (6090)
• United States
11 Jun 08
I don't think your point is true, if you were to look at all Christian and non-Christian nations.
Some countries may have lower crime rates because they are dictatorships and have a very aggressive police force and paid informers.
And some countries have very strong punishment for even minor crimes, such as Iran. If you know you may be executed for committing a petty crime, you'll think twice before you do it.
@Guardian208 (1095)
• United States
11 Jun 08
naaadh,
I have to admit that I am not a muslim scholar so perhaps you can help me. Does Islam recognize Jesus as a prophet?
@blackmantra_x (2732)
• Philippines
11 Jun 08
Good day.. I would just have to say that we just be careful trodding this topic. For me christians, jews. muslims, buddhists, pagan or atheist are men and women. We have the same blood, we felt the same pain, we rejoice when we're happy. It's not important if we believe to be born a sinner or born a saint, what's more important is what we have done during our stay in this world. We sin/make mistake because we're not perfect but we can be sorry and repent for it. I'm a Christian, I believe that the goodness of men/women does not lie in the religion he believes but it lies on his humanity.
@skaterx (530)
• Finland
11 Jun 08
I guess it doesn't have anything to do with christianity itself, besides being able to be forgiven for sins. I think its more that Christianity happens to be prevalent in Western society... but ok, as i read your post, im not sure where these facts come from. What is the definition of crime, and what do you mean by more crime? There are alot of crimes happening in other societies outside of western society too, like rape, genital mutilation, capital punishment, torture, etc in non-christian and non-western areas, so I don't think its true that we have more crime. It's likely that more of crimes in western society are at least reported because of better and fairer police and justice systems. Sometimes crimes in some countries don't even get officially reported. Its really sad. But people have choices on how to live, and its really up to themselves to be good people, and up to the police and community to enforce that, and to keep everyone safe. It has nothing to do with religion at all.
People should try to aim to be good people, no matter what. You don't need a book to tell you that, we live with other people around us, and we need to be fair to people, and respect others, and that's the most important part.
@TessWhite (3146)
• United States
11 Jun 08
I don't know that Christianity has more criminals. It could be simply that there are more Christians? I was raised Christian, but have since changed my choice. I don't think it matters what religion anyone is, as long as they are raised with morals and values. My son was not raised as a Christian, but I certainly imparted morals and values upon him as a person. He doesn't practice any religion but yet has respect for others. So for me, I'd say its more the environment you are brought up in or living in that influences you.
