Does MyLot need a quality control on discussions started?
By umart13
@umart13 (841)
Ireland
July 19, 2008 12:32pm CST
Hello everybody. I got annoyed two days ago on MyLot.com. I know that you are not allowed to complain about the quality of English, as all are welcome, but are you allowed to complain, when somebody starts a topic about "Anhiser Bush" and it's takeover by a "French" company. This is lazy and insulting to the readers of MyLot.com. The name of the company is plastered all around us, so it could easily be checked. Secondly, the smallest amount of research would have revealed that the bidder was Belgian. How can the quality of discussion be raised on Mylot.com, or should it be accepted as it is?
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@umart13 (841)
• Ireland
20 Jul 08
Hi valeria1. I try too. I think it's the nicest thing you can do. I am multilingual myself, so I understand how difficult it is. I think though that some people should get their facts right before they go looking for the money. That means you are trying to be polite and they are abusing your good nature.
All the best.
UMart
@Emiese (994)
• Sweden
19 Jul 08
Hello! I know what you are saying. I, however do not agree with you.
Firstly, everyone that joins and writes here knows that the discussion is based on opinions. I agree that sometimes the discussions looks a lot more like promoting etc than discussing, but most of the time it is a discussion. What constitues a discussion is people adding their opinions, not facts. If one would only be allowed to put in facts, there would only be statements, and certainly no interesting discussions about people's opinions. The whole point of myLot is being able to discuss anything with users from anywhere all over the world, no matter what culture, ethnicity and race I can get everyones point of view!
Secondly, I think that when joining and being a member here you will have to realize that not everything that is written will be perfect or "right" from your point of view. The whole writing English discussion, I will not even bring up, because most of the time that isn't an issue. About the facts etc, it is your choice to answer to a discussion or not. If you don't like the discussion you can always choose not to acknowledge it with a response.
Thirdly, and most important. Having restrictions on what to write in any way is CENSURING.. whatever you call it. It is enough that people follow the guidelines, and basic laws (not to discriminate etc). As soon as one decide to forbid a certain type of writing it will always be the question of who should be the one deciding what is okay and what is not. I am sure that if you get to decide you would delete very different discussions than someone from remote Russia or Colombia would. Then who is right? And who can decide what is not right.. Can you say absolutely for sure what is facts and what is not. What you read in the newspapers, sees on TV, find on the internet is certainly not facts automatically. Media:s "facts" are always opinions rather than facts.. Very rarely are there facts, or the same "facts" being mentioned in different news.. Compare CNN and BBC for example..
Anyway, I can go on forever. To sum up, I understand what you mean about quality control, but it is you as a user choosing not to respond that is the quality control. Having someone deciding what one can write and cannot write, what is fact and what is not facts is pure cenurship, whether you like the word or not. And until you can say who is almighty enough to be able to decide what is right and what isn't, what is facts and what isn't and what should be allowed to write about and what not, I think any censuring is a bad idea.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
20 Jul 08
using the minus sign because you disagree withg someones
discussion is a mylot no no, it is to be used only if there
has been an insulting derogatory response or a flaming. we
all have our rights to our own opinions and our own ways of
discussing something. you do not minus just because you disagree with the dis cussion or dislike the topic or the person, just if a response is insulting or is flaming
@Emiese (994)
• Sweden
19 Jul 08
Yes, I guess those lines very well boiled it down :) Also, I really do not like any ideas which means that someone has to consider himself good enough to be the one decider of what is right and wrong.. Especially not in a forum based upon discussing people's opinions!
Auf Wiedersehen und Gute Nacht!
@umart13 (841)
• Ireland
19 Jul 08
Hello Emiese, thanks for an excellent answer. Your conclusion is that the quality control is made by the reader, who decides by him-/herself whether to participate in the conversation. The two other views which have come through in the discussion are: a) that the person putting forward the topic makes more of an effort or avoids topics outside his/her area of competence, which is more my view; and b) that the reader uses the "+" or "-" to note his approval or disapproval.
All the best to Sweden from Germany
UMart
@DarkDancer (1011)
• Dayton, Ohio
20 Jul 08
Well, I can see the merit to your idea of a quality control, and I have seen some posts with factual mistakes in them, but every time that happens either some happy mylotter will come along and correct the mistakes, or the post doesn't get answered. We seem to have a self correcting system here at mylot.
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@DarkDancer (1011)
• Dayton, Ohio
20 Jul 08
Thanks! I actually try to pay attention to the body of the post, I hate it when I am reading and see that a lot of people have actually missed what the post is about....
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@vera5d (4005)
• United States
19 Jul 08
I think people make mistakes, so the best thing to do is politely point out what the mistake is and the reference they must have missed. Who knows? They could have been distracted and wrote french instead of belgium. Mylot is a good place to teach new things to people and help each other, so I think it's better to teach them what was right or ignore it...i've never known complaining to be effective in solving problems.
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@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
20 Jul 08
i think that they should do quality control on the posts that are like not even a sentence long.. other than that and the people you mentioned i doubt it will happen just due to the fact your suppose to be open and discuss things here.. it drives me nuts when i see some one posting something i know is false but i hope at least they thought it was true when they posted it and not for like shock/reply value.. that would piss me off
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@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
21 Jul 08
yeah you would have to prove it which prob wouldnt be worth the time in researching it in the end
@umart13 (841)
• Ireland
20 Jul 08
Ah! moonlitmagikchild. A light shines from Nashville and brings with it a novel suggestion. I find your " control the short topic" idea fantastic and it would solve the problem for many discussions... I also suspect that some of the people proposing the topics are not genuine, but I need to be able to prove this first.
With thanks.
Umart
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@siddiqali (632)
• India
19 Jul 08
I dont think mylot would need that because here we are to discus anything and everything according to the tos.And mylot officially checks every discussion before coming to the forums.
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@umart13 (841)
• Ireland
19 Jul 08
Hello siddiqali. God to hear from you. I agree with you that we are here to discuss anything, but to discuss something a person needs to suggest a topic and to suggest a topic a certain amount of thought and preparation must go into it. This is because the person who suggests the topic is in fact chairing a discussion and needs to do his or her homework before starting. Mylot try their best, but the responsibilty rests with us, or does it not?
Take care!
Umart
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@AmbiePam (91780)
• United States
20 Jul 08
While mylot says that we should be make allowances for users who are not good in English and may have poor grammar habits, it does say, or the last time I checked it said that if the post is very difficult to read or understand, it is reportable. Text speak is against the guidelines, and if something is spelled so badly, and it seems to be a habit, I think you can report it. I mean mylot could just contact that member and ask them to do a bit of checking before they post on someone. I don't think it would do harm to report it.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
20 Jul 08
It is an open forum here. With so many people posting mylot would be far too busy to check the quality of each discussion. The most you can do is to ignore it if you don't like it. If it is extremely offensive and distasteful you can report it.
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@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
19 Jul 08
I get your point - and it's for this very reason that I tend to stick in one interest. I try to avoid entering into any discussion where I might feel 'out of my depth' so to speak. I can relate when talking about personal feelings or events but I have never started a discussion about facts of which I was unsure (I think in the last three months I've only started a discussion regarding the Italian football team outside my favorite interest).
I notice that some of the responses above have misunderstood the point you are trying to make - great pity and I think this also demonstrates how little thought and attention is put into responses on many discussions.
Having said all that this is an Englishwoman in Italy wishing happy MyLotting to an Irishman in Germany!
@umart13 (841)
• Ireland
19 Jul 08
Hello Ms. Mysdianait, thank you for your response and it is refreshing to see that some of the commentators have understood the point of the discussion. It is indeed a great pity that little thought is put into responses, just as my point was that some people give zero thought when they suggest a topic. However, two or three people did address the issue at hand. The best solution is that we control ourselves, but the money is tempting people to go for low quality volume. The other solution is to use the "+", "-" signs to raise the standard at MyLot, but if people are writing rubbish and are being supported by their friends to earn the cash then that will not work. I am afraid that quality may suffer due to the collusion of the powers of ignorance and greed.
Have a nice weekend.
from Umart in Colonia
@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
19 Jul 08
Please don't endorse censorship on myLot! Unless soeone blatantly violates the guidelines, this should remain an open forum! Who has the ability to fairly judge others' thoughts as expressed here?
@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
19 Jul 08
That person probably thinks he or she knows all about it! The point is, we can just avoid those and deal with the ones we like.
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@umart13 (841)
• Ireland
19 Jul 08
Hello cobrateacher. How are you? Please also see my comment above, which you made on Barbie's article. If somebody wants to use MyLot.com to incite racist answers, by inviting a discussion on the takeover of "Anhiser Bush" by a "French" company, then I see a problem. Do you not? How can this person chair a discussion, if he has not done his homework?
All the best from Cologne.
UMart
@umart13 (841)
• Ireland
19 Jul 08
Dear cobrateacher, you are completely correct about accepting the differences of opinion, which other people have. However, I would not claim to be so magnanimous, pretend that I advocate free-speech and simultaneously call other writers "j**ks". I do not think the word is acceptable to mylot :-)
Besides which, I think you are completely missing the point. The point is simply this - Is the person, who suggested this topic, at all capable of chairing the discussion, bearing in mind that he has not checked any of the facts on the topic which he started.
Kind regards.
UMart
@paid2write (5201)
•
19 Jul 08
We, the members, are the quality controllers of myLot because when we see a post that is of poor quality we can give it a negative [-] rating. If the discussion or the post is in violation of the rules we report it [!], and if it is a good post we rate it [+].
If someone has made a mistake in their discussion topic you can respond to it and give the correct information. People do post things without checking them. I have seen speculation, hoaxes and misinformation posted as being factual, and usually someone will respond and point out that this is not true.
Anyone who uses the internet should be aware that you can never believe anythng you see on the internet without checking it out first.
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@umart13 (841)
• Ireland
19 Jul 08
Dear paid2write, you took the words right out of my mouth. Your answer is very similar to the conclusion I came to when I replied to the response just before yours. The ultimate responsibility does rest with us. Personally I would never start a topic in which I have no interest, or where I am not able to chair the topic. I hope that it is clear in the example I gave, that the individual was not capable of chairing the topic.
Thanks very much for your answer.
Umart
@shoffman2000 (560)
• Alexandria, Virginia
19 Jul 08
My lot writers are worldwide and the ability to write in English vary. Sometimes their best efforts are limited by their education. How would you like to write in spanish or french or german. we must be welcoming of all members of my lots in their contribution to the success of my lots!!!!!!!!
@umart13 (841)
• Ireland
19 Jul 08
Hello shoffman2000. Once again somebody is trying to turn the discussion into about English to earn their couple of cents. The discussion has nothing to do with English, but rather the qulity of thought which went into writing the discussion topic.
All the best from Germany.
Umart
@Kemboi (341)
• Eldoret, Kenya
20 Jul 08
Umart13 thank you for raising that issue some of mylot members do post a discussion which are not digestable. This has been an issue which needs seriouse attention. Some of us are poor in linguistics that is languages or can mylot start sessions for the other national spoken languages like french and others so that people will be free and we shall have accommoded each other. Can that work really.
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@JigglesWong (17)
• Canada
19 Jul 08
I think its good as is every bodys diffrent and we should leave it at that
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@umart13 (841)
• Ireland
19 Jul 08
Hello jiggleswong. I agree that everybody is different, but do you not think that somebody should do their homework, before they start a new discussion. After all, they have to be prepared to answer questions, or do you not think so?
All the best from Germany.
Umart
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@liquorice (3887)
•
20 Jul 08
I agree that people should know something about the subject of their discussion before posting, but sometimes people don't realise that they're making a mistake and feel certain about what they're writing, (I know that's happened to me a few times!) It's then up to us to correct them. If I made such a mistake then I'd be grateful for anyone who took the time to tell me what the correct spelling, or nationality was.
It must be very difficult to contribute to discussions in another language; we should count ourselves lucky that English is our first language and this comes easy to us, it must be so much harder to do this in a foreign language. Imagine if it was in Tagalog or Gujarati?!
myLot is a fun site, not an academic forum, so my feeling is that as long as people posting discussions can make themselves understood, and can contribute to a discussions then that's fine. I love the idea that everyone's welcome here and the way that you can 'meet' people from so many different places. It's much like having a converstion with someone, and the best way, I think to deal with these things if they annoy you, would be just as you would if you were having a proper converstion with them!
@liquorice (3887)
•
20 Jul 08
Hi umart, It's never occurred to me that people might be deliberately spelling things wrong and pretending to not be able to speak/write good English. Is that what you mean? I might be being a bit naive here, but why would they do that? Do you mean that they're just making up supposed 'facts'? I think that would be a bit risky if optimising earnings/reputation is their aim, as they would probably just get marked down quite a lot. Sorry for not fully understanding your point, but d'you mind explaining how exactly they're being chancers?
@umart13 (841)
• Ireland
20 Jul 08
Hi liquorice, Thanks for you comment. I also like the idea that everybody is welcome. Being from the UK, you know the meaning of the phrase "Chancing your arm!" This is exactly what I am trying to discuss here. Those chancers ruin it for everybody else and a lot of good-natured, open-minded and helpful people are being made a laugh of by such chancers!
Regards!
Umart
@Remembering1996 (2219)
• United States
20 Jul 08
MyLot moniters most of the discussions here and will see to it if they don't approve of the discussion. I would honestly let MyLot decied on this for every one know's the rules of the do's and dont's here and if they want to break them MyLot will look into it. They also say that we also have to help keep an eye out for certain things and if we see something that they don't catch to just send them a private message and they will look into it. Other than that I really think you should contact MyLot admin on this. They can give you a better answer to this seeing it's thier site and they make the rules. Good luck
@umart13 (841)
• Ireland
21 Jul 08
Hi Remembering1996, thanks for your comment and for your advice. I thought it would be interesting to discuss the issue first, before contacting MyLot. I think the discussion did raise a lot of issues, which made it worthwhile and hopefully raised the awareness of bogus discussions.
All the best.
UMart
@excellence7 (3655)
• Mauritius
20 Jul 08
I think it's the personal views of people. If quality control would have been imposed, this would have discourage many people to 'be themselves' while replying. People would have not responded as genuinely as ever. Critics- this is a right to provide our views. So, we can't impose on human views. If the views are not correct according to others, then there is a debate- in such a situation, we learn more as we see the emergence of more ideas from both 'for and against'. So I think quality control must not be introduced on the perception of people here.
@excellence7 (3655)
• Mauritius
20 Jul 08
I agree with you that people do post topics in interests which are not of their interests themselves. But these form parts of critics which is a right of individual. Freedom of expression is a fundamental right of an individual. So we just have to know how to approach such posts. It depends on our approach, we can show the world our perception through our words. It's rightly said that the pen is mightier than the sword. So, if we believe some people are bringing irrelevant posts to a certain discussions, all we need to do is to provide our concrete perceptions which will be an attack for the irrelevant posts. It's said that 'Ignorance is a bliss', we need to ignore the posts we think is not matching to our perceptions and post our perceptions.
@umart13 (841)
• Ireland
20 Jul 08
Thanks for that your excellence7. How then do you deal with people introducing topics in which they clearly have no interest? MyLot is a discussion forum and without that interest, there can be no discussion, but merely comments on a terribly worded topic.
Regards
Umart
@mjmlagat (3170)
• Philippines
1 Aug 08
Hi there. This might be due to the fact that some members here are just posting discussions for the sake of money instead of being helpful and informative. Some would just tend to posts or even get articles from news or stuffs like that just to fill in their hunger for earnings.
Yes, I agree with you that mylot should employ the strongest and the most efficient quality controller ever just to filter undesirable posts and blatant errors recklessly posted by these people.
Happy Posting!
@Wolfechu (1193)
• United States
20 Jul 08
I suspect if they introduced quality controls here to anything resembling a decent level of discussion, output would drop by about 95% and they'd be out of business within six months.
If you're that concerned, mark down crap like this; the option's there, and it limits the level of damage such people can do. Or respond and put them right.
@umart13 (841)
• Ireland
20 Jul 08
Hi Wolfechu, I like your attitude. But if I try to put some lazy sod right, then he will probably report me. Also I agree with you completely that a lot of people would disappear. It would not surprise me to find that some of these people are making deliberate mistakes in their discussions and are people using false names. Most of the Asian people I know have perfect English, especially in India and Pakistan, where it is the second language.
All the best
Umart
@Wolfechu (1193)
• United States
21 Jul 08
I'd tend to agree about who's making a lot of the mistakes; Most Asians I've known have excellent English, and I can usually guess which posters here are using it as a second language. Those ones, I cut a lot of slack. If it's just inherent laziness though, or woeful ignorance like in your example, I go to town on them. This is probably why my star is a '7'. Doesn't seem to be hurting my earnings, though. And I've yet, to my knowledge, to ever have a comment deleted.
@amanda08 (647)
• United States
20 Jul 08
I think we should leave it.. I guess we really don't have a choice... I think there are bigger things to worry about rather than if someone spelled Annehiser-Busch properly.... and if they didn't know it was a Belgian company then so be it... I am sure that you or someone else corrected them... good grief people... you all are gripey sometimes about the most ridiculous things! ;)
@umart13 (841)
• Ireland
20 Jul 08
Yes armada09 you are perfectly korrekt!! And how is he waether in Japan today?... Dear amanda08, I think you are right and that we do not have a choice, but if you let "chancers" continue to start bogus topics then MyLot.com is doomed.
Or am I being ridiculous ;-P
Take care
Umart
@amanda08 (647)
• United States
20 Jul 08
maybe it is not necessarily that they are starting "bogus" topics... maybe they are just not as familiar with our language,... and even if they do start a topic that it seems they know nothing about.. well then that just gives us other mylotters a chance to straighten them out and fill them in on the facts... don't be so picky... thank goodness I live in the land of freedom of speech... oh, but I forgot, most people only want that rule to apply when it affects them.. not others..;)