Primary school to serve pupils halal meat whether they're Muslim or not

@ronaldinu (12422)
Malta
October 10, 2008 3:32pm CST
According to the daily mail "All pupils at a primary school face being served halal meat at lunchtime whether they are Muslim or not, it emerged today. Dale Primary, which has a large proportion of Asians among its 550 pupils, is consulting parents about the controversial move." A comment hit me by Shabana Ayub, 30, a Muslim parent of two Dale Primary pupils, welcomed the idea of introducing halal meat but only if there were other menu options. She said: 'I think there needs to be other options because there are Hindu and Christian children who go to the school as well.' I really agree with this parent's comment. Other religions have to be respected too. What is your opinion.
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@nanajanet (4436)
• United States
11 Oct 08
I don't understand why they would not allow for all religions. It makes not sense and it is a form of prejudice.
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@teison2 (5921)
• Norway
10 Oct 08
regardless of religion I think there should always be several dishes to choose from whenever government or state are serving meals. vegetarians, picky eaters, fishhaters, salad-refusers should be respected
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@GardenGerty (160713)
• United States
11 Oct 08
That is an issue. But what is halal meal? I know I could search it. I have a friend who says his father, a Christian minister, always said we should not have prayers in school, because " how would we decide which prayers to have?" If it is my right to have my religious items and teachings in public school, then it is the right of all other religions as well. We all have to get along, we share this planet.
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
11 Oct 08
For meat to be classified halal, a Muslim must have slaughtered the animal from which it came by a single cut to the throat and without stunning it first. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1076248/Primary-school-serve-pupils-halal-meat-theyre-Muslim-not.html
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@Galena (9110)
18 Oct 08
if I were a parent I would have my child served the vegetarian option, rather than halal meat, as I consider it a very inhumane method of slaughter.
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• India
22 Nov 08
killing is an inhuman act. wonder how god approves killing? also the method of killing under halal system is very inhuman. i agree with you on your view on the method of slaughter.
@060157 (1059)
• Pakistan
11 Oct 08
do u even know what is halal meat at all? it's just meat and the method of slaughtering the animal differs. the animal is slaughtered by a Muslim and bismillah is read before slaughtering the animal and the slaughtering method differs and is actually more hygienic cause it drains all the blood out of the animal, and if u don't know, blood is a medium that can spread diseases. this way of slaughtering makes the meat halal (permissible to eat) for Muslims. it is just as kosher is for jews. since christians and other people aren't really bound how the animal was slaughtered, this news shouldn't bother them whatsoever. it's just meat for them, with just a label for halal that tells that it can also be eaten by a Muslim, not that it makes any difference to anyone else. the students are being served with halal meat, but i don't really get it how can this change the 'menu' of the school because meat is an ingredient, so what it is to a person who don't care if it is halal or not. it only takes a moment to search for info and clarifying yourself rather than making a mountain of an anthill. but then again, it's a matter of seeking pleasure by criticizing Islam, so who cares researching about what you are actually saying yes? such a shame.
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
11 Oct 08
If you read well my post I did not criticize Islam. I praised the Muslim parent for being considerate to other religions!
@060157 (1059)
• Pakistan
11 Oct 08
i don't even get why such a trivial issue made it into a discussion anyway... it's just that i feel that anything regarding the Muslim world, or any facility provided to the Muslims where they are a minority, is treated like a defeat for the christians or other communities.
@060157 (1059)
• Pakistan
11 Oct 08
and as for the comment of the Muslim woman, she is right too, but introducing halal meat might be the first step for the things to come. maybe the next step by the school would be to introduce vegetarian menu for the hindus since most of them are complete vegs. i don't really know about christians... as far as it is in my knowledge, they dont have prohibitions on any type of food. but i feel that since they introduced a facility for the Muslims, people find it amusing to criticize this action. had it been for a hindus or jews, it wouldn't have had this kind of hype.
@Vladilyich1 (1454)
• Canada
12 Oct 08
Halal is almost identical with Kosher and is a higher quality of food. I don't see what the problem is. I buy Kosher all the time because I like to know what's in my hot dogs.
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• Canada
13 Oct 08
I agree with you on that one, Vlad. The thing is that it's a Muslim preference, and other religions want to be represented. I eat a lot of Kosher meat myself, but i eat it because it's good, not because I am a fanatical Jew who insists on it. I'm not a Fanatical ANYTHING!!! It's the Muslim fanatics that are causing the problem, here.
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@Harley009 (1416)
• India
18 Oct 08
danish, What problems Muslims are making here with Halal food? "Halal food" Means "Allowed food". The meat doesn't differ much, but it has slaughtered in satisfying certain conditions. Muslims are not supposed to eat non-halal foods, that is why they are providing it. However if no-halal food is available we can eat kosher food. If no halal food is available and our life is in dangerous we can eat anything to keep alive, Allah is All knower and most forgiving!
@Pigglies (9329)
• United States
13 Oct 08
I think that because parents are free to send their children to school with any foods they want, the school should not have to change their menu for anyone's religion. No one cares that schools generally have no vegetarian options, yet bring religion into the picture and people are forced to act all politically correct. You bring your own food if you don't like what is served, it's that simple. No one is shoving non-halal meat down their throats.
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@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
11 Oct 08
Hi ronald, I couldn't agree more, we must all respect each other. Blessings.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
11 Oct 08
I think that parent is a very good example of what we should all be like. Not catering to special interests but taking everyone's feelings and customs into consideration. I've never heard of Halal meat, I'll have to look that up. Oh, I see now, it is made according to their dietary laws. Well, I think it's a good idea as long as other, non-Muslims aren't forced to eat it if they don't want to.
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@liquorice (3887)
12 Oct 08
Well, like a couple of other people have said, it won't make much difference at all if the meat is halal. It's just killed in a different way to non-halal meat, and I'm sure that nobody will be able to taste the difference anyway. Nobody who currently eats meat there will be disadvantaged in anyway, and it ensures that the meat that they serve can be eaten by more of the children, so it makes sense really. The only concern I would have is that if the whole kitchen is going halal (rather than just the meats permitted by islam), are they going to reduce the variety of meat that they can serve in their kitchen? If they can no longer serve pork, bacon and other pig products as a result of this change then this might disadvantage the non-muslim pupils who enjoy eating these things. However, if they have several menu options (eg. regular, halal, vegetarian etc..) then this might not be a problem.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
11 Oct 08
i agree. don't think that's fair to the children at all. what is halal meat?
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11 Oct 08
Hi ronaldinu, Gosh! religion has gone school dinners too, Well I agree with this parent, as they are other religion involved here, I think this has gone beyond. Tamara
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@angelia286 (2029)
• Singapore
11 Oct 08
Actually I happen to think that it's of no big deal at all. Lol. Afterall, halal and non halal is about the same kind of food, just that there is no pork or pork by-products that are being served. Not such a big deal at all if you come to think about it. All Christains and Hindu people are able to eat Halal food as well, it's only beef that the Hindus can't take. So perhapes the school might consider removing beef on their menus too out of respect to those Hindu students? This is a suggestion that the school might want to consider seriously if they want to respect all religions. However, for Christians (if I am not wrong), they are allowed to eat almost everything, so in that sense, there should not be much of a problem in food for the children in this religion. In Singapore.. There is a wholely Halal food court over in the Eastern part of Singapore. Lol.. the food served in this food court is all Halal food - from the Chinese food to the Japanese food that is sold there. However, there seems to be nobody complaining and in a way it kind of brings up the revenue of all food stalls as the Muslims are able to eat food that previously they were not able to! So it's a win-win situation for all. Of course, this is just my own opinion, and well happy mylotting!!
@vmksvmks (413)
• Canada
11 Oct 08
In Canada that would never happen so i am sorry i just can phantom this type of thing happening Sorry i do not know the culture and the real meaning behind this I tend to making too many suggestions re foreign countries and religions so i will gracefully bow out Good Luck
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@mtdewgurl74 (18151)
• United States
26 Mar 09
I agree that they should be other dishes offered because not all kids will eat it and parents would be mad if the school didn't serve food their children would eat. They do need to provide for all religions no matter what they are but this is a step in the right direction.
• Canada
10 Oct 08
Is this primary school in Malta? I am glad to see that a MUSLIM parent is talking about alternative options for non-Muslims. She sounds like a true representation of what Islam is supposed to mean. I completely agree with her.
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
10 Oct 08
No it is in UK.
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• Canada
13 Oct 08
I really hate what Muslims are doing to the UK, especially since the English wouldn't have the same rights in a Muslim country.
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@LittleMel (8742)
• Canada
26 Mar 09
not all Asians are muslims. a lot of Chinese and Indian people are not muslims. in a cafetaria there must be a list of choices so they should make it convenient for everyone, not just muslims since other parents pay for their students to be schooled there too.
@Humbug25 (12540)
11 Oct 08
Hi there ronaldinu The things is that halal meat will cost a lot more and will send the price of school dinners sky high. At my son's schools they offer a vegetarian meal and of course children can always have a packed lunch. I think that we are very accomodating in the uk towards other religions baring in mind we are a Christian country or at least was! My brother is in Kuwait at the moment and has experienced ramadan in a muslim country first hand. Even though he is obviously a foreigner in Kuwait he was still not permitted to drink water in the streets during the hours of daylight. Other countries do not always tolerate other people's beleifs. The father to my kids is muslim so I do understand some of the in's and out's of the religion. I have always stuck to the phrase 'when in Rome do as the Roman's do' and respect the culture, tradition and religion of the country I am visiting.
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
11 Oct 08
I am a Catholic and I have two of my friends who are Muslims. We don't discuss Religion as we are never going to agree about this issue. We are still friends. I do respect Muslims. However I think that Europe is stretching things a bit too far. A case in point was a Muslim politician in Italy who asked for the removal of the croos from the classrooms. If you are a guest in a country you have to respect the values of beliefs of others. I don't expect to go in a any country and they remove any religious symbols because of my Christian belief.
@Humbug25 (12540)
11 Oct 08
I just thought I had better that I am most certainly not racist at all, if I was I would never have married a muslim and lived the life of a muslim for 10 years!!
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@Humbug25 (12540)
11 Oct 08
My sentiments exactly!!
@sejuti (38)
• India
11 Oct 08
To actually understand the implications of halal meat, we need to go back in history. Mohammed started the eating of halal meat since he headed a small group of believers that had to gain supremacy over barbarians through war. Typically, when halal is done, the animal is put to tremendous pain and torture, which floods its body with various enzymes. This meat, when consumed, fills the human body with aggression, cruelty and brute power, dulling sensitivities. The halal meat was prescribed for those warriors because they had to overcome TREMENDOUS odds. This situation does not exist today. In most cases, in the civilized world, we dont need to eat halal meat and fill our body with negative energy. Certainly for children, it should not only be avoided but banned.
@Harley009 (1416)
• India
18 Oct 08
Sejuti, Great Reply! Do you know how halal meat is prepared?
11 Oct 08
please see my last comment in this discussion thank you
@sejuti (38)
• India
13 Oct 08
what goes around comes around...cruelty to animals included...
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
12 Nov 10
I think that parent is right. After all, Muslim does not eat pork, and pork happens to be the favorite meat of Chinese. Some people are vegetarians, due to religion influence or family influence. If the school changes all menu to halal menu, those poor kids who are vegetarian will go hungry. it is good to consider the Muslim children. However, it is better to have different food so that children can choose.