what would you do?

@dvschic (1795)
United States
October 13, 2008 2:34pm CST
i am an athiest, no apologies no regrets, but i am an athiest, i get tons of people saying they will pray for me and to keep god in my prayers. guess what, i dont believe in prayer and while i would never knock you, how do i let them know that i dont want them to pray for me? it seems silly, but i'd rather they prayed for someone who could use it.. is that wrong? please do not respond by saying i'm going to hell or anything like that, i dont believe in hell or heaven or anything to do with god.. this is not a discussion for your faith, but how would you respond? have you ever been told something by an athiest that offended you?
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
13 Oct 08
Well now, that's a tricky question, isn't it? It's not like there's a limit on the number of people one can pray for but I understand your dilemma. Do you say "thank you" when you're not a believer? Do you say "don't bother" and hurt their feelings or appear rude? I guess I would go with something like "thanks for the offer but I'm really not a believer so I would appreciate it if you didn't." As far as athiests go, I have known athiests in my lifetime and I have some wiccan friends who don't believe as I do either and I can honestly say that, in both cases, they have been more tolerant of my beliefs than others have shown them regarding theirs.
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@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
14 Oct 08
My experience tells me that many people who share my faith say, "I'll pray for you" in order to make another person feel inferior. The OP is comfortable with who he/she is and doesn't go for that. I will never pray for anyone. It makes no sense to me.
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@ivyoon (673)
• United States
13 Oct 08
I agree, it seems that those who don't believe in god or who believe in many gods are less quick to judge or ridicule others' beliefs than the "believers" are to judge them. That always bothered me somewhat.
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@dvschic (1795)
• United States
13 Oct 08
i find that very true. i have no problem with anyone else's faith or religion, unless it affects me. but i never try to dissuade someone from going to church, why do they ask me to go to church? do they think that being an atheist was a snap decision and i haven't though it through? i dont attack religion and i try not to let religion attack me. there is a huge bias towards religion though, most multiple choice boxes complete leave off atheist as a religious choice, forcing you to choose "other" when in fact its 'nothing'
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@ivyoon (673)
• United States
13 Oct 08
I wouldn't really respond to them at all... they're going to pray for you anyway if that's what they want to do. Some religious and spiritual people are actually afraid of athiests and the fact that they don't believe in god. They really do think that these people will go to hell and that they are helping or becoming better people by praying. They're prayers really can't hurt you, especially if you don't believe in prayer. I would just reply with a simple, "thanks" and go on your way. Life's too short to try to get your point across to people who are that strict with their beliefs. They'll never understand you, much as you probably can't understand them and their beliefs. I've never been offended by an athiest, or any other religion/belief, etc. I believe that everyone is different, and as long as you're not hurting yourself or anyone else you're free to believe what you want to believe. If someone gets offended by something you say that's on them, not on you.
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@ivyoon (673)
• United States
13 Oct 08
Oddly enough, your girlfriend's mother probably feels the same about you... she probably wishes you'd "get it"... that's human nature. We all have our own beliefs, and part of being a human being means that we have the right to our own beliefs and the right to "not believe" whatever we want. I realize your dilemma and imagine it can be hard at times, but life is never easy when it comes to differences in beliefs. I hope you can find the strength within yourself to be tolerant of your peers wanting to help you. Sometimes it is because they truly care about you, and that's a good thing. On the other hand, if it is that they are trying to force their beliefs on you, it's okay to step up and say what you feel. Sometimes that's what it takes to get people to stop something you dislike. Good luck to you! :D
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@dvschic (1795)
• United States
13 Oct 08
thanks for your reply. the weirdest one to deal with is my girlfriends mother. she's very devout and always wants to pray with me. i have made it clear that i do not believe, and yet she still wants to pray with me. i dont take offense as much as i just wish she'd get it. thanks for your response and for not proselytizing to me
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• China
14 Oct 08
Good point!
@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
14 Oct 08
Well, as a pagan I can sortof relate -- we pagans tend to be very nontraditional with extremely loose belief structures (some of us are VERY close to athiests, in that many of us believe in no Gods whatsoever)...and quite a few christians always seem to want to pray for us. Normally, because they believe we somehow need to "find God". (I believe this is often the case for atheists as well ^_^) ...yeah, it'd be really nice for those who want to pray for non-believers to pray for far worst "calamities" affecting people -- but we don't know if they DO do that on a regular basis and are taking time out for us, for example heh. I sometimes wonder if maybe I should be flattered or something...but my reaction normally is an awkward shrug or just a simple smile...and I go on my merry way. Simple, something they can translate into whatever they want it to mean...and it's a non-starter for conflict. My preferred way to handle all social situations, lol.
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@dvschic (1795)
• United States
14 Oct 08
man, i didn't know god was lost, i should start a search party.. i think people are funny and there is too much focus on religion, i just started this convo to see if i would get the people who didnt' read it and start preaching at me, and boom, i did! thanks for responding.
@Sheepie (3112)
• United States
13 Oct 08
If they want to pray for me, I'm not a believer either, there's nothing you can say to make them believe that they're not helping you. I pretty much just nod when someone says something similar to this. But if I'm being forced to pray, I will mention my rights to my own opinion. Everyone is justified to believe what they want, and a polite acknowledging of this fact should be enough. Some people really don't get it though, like my mom, whenever something happens to someone, she tells me to pray, which is really annoying to me, because of how ignorant it is. I don't go telling anyone NOT to pray, why should my rights be any different?
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@ivyoon (673)
• United States
13 Oct 08
Well said. It always amazes me how much "believers" try to force others into prayer and belief and the so-called "non-believers" rarely, if ever, try to force others NOT to pray or believe. In my opinion, the judgment all comes from the side of the "believers" (who really aren't supposed to judge, right?) Interesting.
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• United States
14 Oct 08
Yeah. Whenever someone does know that I am not a believer in god like you guys are, then I would rather prefer them to just leave me alone when it comes to anything that deals with god. We all have the right to choose what we wish to believe in. I'm used to hearing that god really exists, since I have been hearing the same kind of thing all my life, especially when I used to be a christian. Since I am not anymore, because I started to question the teachings of church, and that grew more intense. If they want to pray for me for whatever reason, then fine, they can do it as much as they want. But it really irritates me when the believers of god tries to get me wrong about me believing that god does not exist, you know?
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• United States
13 Oct 08
I think I would respond with something like,"whatever helps you sleep at night, I sleep just fine" Or a simple "thank you" there is no reason for anyone to force their beliefs on you or vice versa. If they feel like they want to pray for you then let them. It should not phase you either way since you choose not to believe in prayers.
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@dvschic (1795)
• United States
13 Oct 08
i tend to say thank you, but when they want me to pray for them or pray with them, it gets a lil iffy,
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@dvschic (1795)
• United States
13 Oct 08
and its not that i dont believe in prayers, i dont believe in a 'god' .. so u can pray but i dont believe anyone will answer
• India
14 Oct 08
Good topic. Being an atheist myself, i find it very funny at times when people say they pray for me to do well in my exams and other similar stuff. Actually, i don't have any issue with it. I just convey my happiness for their concern in me but i have never really made an effort to tell them to stop praying for me. Saying them to stop doing it, would just mean showing ones attitude in a irrelevant situation.
@dvschic (1795)
• United States
14 Oct 08
it depends on their intention during praying. as noted above, i'm in a lesbian relationship and people want to pray for me to find my man... UMMMMMMMMMMMMM no
@mac1946 (1602)
• Calgary, Alberta
14 Oct 08
I was brought up in two beliefs,both christian,but not the same,this was forced on me throughout my youth,then I went to war,and anyone telling you there are no aithiests in a foxhole,thell them they are nuts. after I got home,I was an aithiest all the way. five years ago,I did find my path,since then,I have been told by my family,I am not allowed to openly show my religious beliefs by wearing my medallions when they are present. when we have holiday meals,like today for thanksgiving here in Canada,the rest of the family had to say their preyers before the meal,I sat as I normally do,without bending my head but did not interfere with them. I was told off after the dinner about this and I just responded,what they would have thought if I had started a thanksgiving ritual at the same time. that did shut them up,and as I said,I did not interfere nor show any disrespect for them,why pick on me? why?because I am a Witch and that does not sit well,so they figure saying their preyers for me it will change me back,haha.no way.thanks for a great discussion.
@dvschic (1795)
• United States
14 Oct 08
i could not withhold my beliefs, if my family doesn't respect them, and some don't, then i dont see them, it is who i am. they can either accept me as me..its up to them
@otshock (271)
• United States
14 Oct 08
From one of your comments, it sounds like you have people wanting to pray for you because you are a lesbian. Most christian teachings tell them that this is a sin. They are also taught that they are supposed to spread the word of god and save the sinners. Unfortunately for those of us who are not christian, this means that we all get preached at for what we do and believe in. Your girlfriend's mother being a christian and wanting to "save" you must make life a bit difficult for you. There's not really a lot that can be done to change the situation. Her religion tells her that she needs to do what she does. I feel for you. I tell people that I respect their choice, but I need them to respect mine, also. I have studied many different religions and chose the way that I follow. If I change my mind, they will be the first to know. I wish you the best of luck with your situation. ~Ginger~
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@TessWhite (3146)
• United States
14 Oct 08
Its not just athiests that have this problem. I have no problem with you being an athiest by the way. My religious choice is Wicca, and apparently Christians have a problem with that. I am forever being told by Christians or Catholics that they will pray for me - so that I will change my religious views to theirs! This annoys me to no end. Even my own mother, who knew my beliefs, would tell me that she would pray that I'd "come to my senses one day." My partner is always telling me that he will ask God to forgive me so that I can join him in heaven. I usually will just say, fine, whatever. But at times when one gets pushy its like what do I say? Do I get pissy and say I don't WANT you to pray for me? Or just shake my head and walk away? I don't understand why those of other religious views feel they have to cram their views down our throats all the time. Don't they understand that instead of converting us its more than likely to send us running faster the other way?
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@dvschic (1795)
• United States
14 Oct 08
i hate when my girlfriend asks me to be believe in god, its not something i'm ever going to change so she really shouldn't hold out for that one! sometimes i wonder if that will be a long term problem..
@apples99 (6556)
• United States
14 Oct 08
I believe that people have the right to there own views when it come to religion and I dont get offended just because someone my have a different belief system then I do, one thing about me is I love and respect everyone as long as they respect me back, and I try not to judge people and I dont comment when someone tells me they are atheist because its not my place to convert anyone.
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@animeniak (425)
• United States
14 Oct 08
I'm an atheist like you too. I used to be a christian, but one day, I started to question the beliefs of the christians, and the text from the bible, too. I do also have my grandmother who keeps on telling me to go to church, because it is good for me. I just say "ok" because I don't want to be rude to her, you know? But then again, I really do feel iffy or something of that sort like you do, whenever there are people who tells me that they will pray for me, or asks me to pray for them. I do get this feeling that I want to tell them that I DO NOT believe in god. I really don't think other people will be offended when they know that you are an atheist and you don't believe in such things. I mean we all have the right to believe in what we choose to believe, don't we? If it was me, I usually just pretend that I am with the followers of god, that's really because I really don't want to be rude with their beliefs. But if I was told to be honest with my beliefs, than I would choose to tell them that I am an atheist, (not really proud) and I choose not to believe in god, because anything that has to do with god just simply does not make any sense to me at all. Hopefully the believers of god won't be offended by that; besides, I have my own rights to choose to believe in god or not... happy mylotting :)
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@dvschic (1795)
• United States
14 Oct 08
you aren't proud to be an atheist? maybe you are agnostic, one who wonders and questions and has no firm belief? i always had a problem with organized religion and could never find that main characteristic that others have, faith, but that's just me. my girlfriend is a christian, i am an atheist and i make no apologies
• United States
14 Oct 08
Prayers are never wasted. If someone wants to pray for you just tell them Thank you. It won't hurt you to be prayed for but it may make them happy. You will just waste more time and energy trying to explain that you don't need or want their prayers. We all need to respect one another but a bit of politeness should cover the situation. How do you feel when people say "God Bless You" when you sneeze? What is the alternative? I am curious since know being told "God Bless You" is offensive to some people.
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@dvschic (1795)
• United States
14 Oct 08
when someone sneezes i say salud, which means health, its all pretty comical, if you look at the origin of why we say something when someone sneezes, http://health.howstuffworks.com/sneezing.htm Many people have become accustomed to saying "bless you" or "gesundheit" when someone sneezes. No one says anything when someone coughs, blows their nose or burps, so why do sneezes get special treatment? What do those phrases actually mean, anyway? Wishing someone well after they sneeze probably originated thousands of years ago. The Romans would say "Jupiter preserve you" or "Salve," which meant "good health to you," and the Greeks would wish each other "long life." The phrase "God bless you" is attributed to Pope Gregory the Great, who uttered it in the sixth century during a bubonic plague epidemic (sneezing is an obvious symptom of one form of the plague). The exchangeable term "gesundheit" comes from Germany, and it literally means "health." The idea is that a sneeze typically precedes illness. It entered the English language in the early part of the 20th century, brought to the United States by German-speaking immigrants. Virtually every country around the globe has its own way of wishing sneezers well. People in Arabic countries say, "Alhamdulillah," which means, "praise be to God." Hindus say, "Live!" or "Live well!" Some countries have special sneezing responses for children. In Russia, after children are given the traditional response, "bud zdorov" ("be healthy"), they are also told "rosti bolshoi" ("grow big"). When a child sneezes in China, he or she will hear "bai sui," which means, "may you live 100 years." For the most part, the various sneeze responses originated from ancient superstitions. Some people believed that a sneeze causes the soul to escape the body through the nose. Saying "bless you" would stop the devil from claiming the person's freed soul. Others believed the opposite: that evil spirits use the sneeze as an opportunity to enter a person's body. There was also the misconception that the heart momentarily stops during a sneeze (it doesn't), and that saying "bless you" was a way of welcoming the person back to life. We now know that sneezing is a reflex action and is most often the sign of something relatively benign, such as a cold or allergy. A sneeze also can be provoked by being outside in the sunlight or from smelling a strong odor. Still, we persist in the custom of saying "bless you" or "gesundheit," mainly out of habit and common courtesy.
@bigott (618)
• India
13 Oct 08
its all about faith and believe. I always thought that atheist only pretend themselves but in real they do believe in god. but from last 1 year i changed my idoleogy and start thinkin' that if there exist a theist then there should be atheist to balance the forces of nature(conservation of energy sort of thin'). BUT i ask u to believe in god coz he believes in you!!!
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@dvschic (1795)
• United States
13 Oct 08
see , you didn't read my post. i am an athiest, i dont believe in your god and do not appreciate that you cannot respect my decision. i respect yours, i would never attempt to change your beliefs, i think that they are truly personal and between you and your god. you need to respect people's choices and just back off.
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@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
14 Oct 08
Right on, DV. Respect doesn't always project respect. You are doing right. Better than some who proclaim to be Christian. Christ spoke. When people didn't listen, he walked away. He didn't follow people in mylot world and tell them how bad they were for not following. Do what Jesus would do. I have found better minded people in the minds of athiests than in the minds of Christians. Condsider that. Counter if you can.
@dvschic (1795)
• United States
14 Oct 08
i think people are funny, i didn't ask god to believe in me. and i think a big problem i have with religion is the need to convert others. if you break down all major religions into their fundamentals, truly down to their bare bones, they are VERY similar, yet no one will come out and say so. by freeing myself from religion, i'm able to take each individual on its own basis and debate it without rhetoric..
• United States
14 Oct 08
This reminds me of a thing Dane Cook, a comedian said. A man sneezed and he said "God bless you". the man said "Oh, I'm atheist". This is just a way that people who practice their religion show their respect. When someone says "oh ill pray for you" their showing you respect in knowing that they care for you. If your atheist the least you can do is say thank you. Don't be all offended when someone says that they are going to pray for you
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• Defiance, Ohio
14 Oct 08
How are they pushing religion on you? Just because someone says they are going to pray for you does not mean they are pushing their religion on you. There all kinds of religions out there and all kinds of prayers by these religions. If someone says they are going to pray fo ryou, it is showing they care for you. Otherwise they would not want to pray for you.
@dvschic (1795)
• United States
14 Oct 08
i say bless you, even though i dont believe that the soul leaves the body when you sneeze and thats the original reason people said bless you during a sneeze. i'm talking about people pushing their religion on you.. i dont go out of my way to push atheism on someone and i'd ask that some one not push their christianity on me.. a lil more respect for peoples beliefs
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@taiguy (478)
• United States
13 Oct 08
Well, allowing someone else to pray for you isn't going to hurt anything .. so there is little to worry about. I usually just smile and thank them. If you ultimately wrong (people are way to fanatical about these things in my opinion) then no harm done. If they are wrong then they basically get to re-assert their belief. From my experience athiests are more interested in analytical discussion of the origin of these religious beliefs. Religious fanatics seem to be soley interested in changing your mind (you know, for your own good). Personally I fail to see how humans can truly "know" what is really out there when we are stuck down here. Further more what may be the "scientific origin of earth" may just well be a "pagan god" to someone else.
@dvschic (1795)
• United States
13 Oct 08
i think allowing someone to pray for you is annoying. why should i have someone pray for me? i dont believe. why should they be allowed to force their beliefs on me? i'm just wondering, not trying to start a religious riot
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@taiguy (478)
• United States
13 Oct 08
I believe other people forcing their beliefs on people is extremely annoying. But, on the other hand, if you do not believe in prayer how is them praying for you forcing their beliefs? They would be more alike to forcing an empty thought upon you. Do you get a boiling feeling on your skin when they pray? In that case it would definately be annoying.
@capirani (2840)
• United States
14 Oct 08
I have never personally met an athiest. So I have never had a discussion such as you mention. However I was thinking about this when looking at your discussion earlier and had not yet decided whether to respond to it. I thought about this one thing only: No matter what any of us chooses to believe, facts will be facts and truth will be truth. Belief and faith are choices we all make. I choose to believe there is a God and that He has created the universe and probably a whole lot more than anything we can ever imagine. I choose to believe Jesus Christ is His Son and came to earth to die for our sins and rise again to eternal life so we can also live eternally with Him. Now I may be wrong. Or you may be wrong. But what I thought about was this. I would rather believe there is this wonderful God who loves us this much and end up being wrong than I would believe that there is no God and end up being wrong. I would not want to face God on that day and try to tell Him when He asks me what I have to say that I had chosen not to believe in Him. Believing in Something and finding out there was nothing is much better in my mind than believing in nothing and finding out there is Something and I had missed my chance.
@dvschic (1795)
• United States
14 Oct 08
see, this is exactly what i'm talking about. this is a discussion about how to respond to unsolcited advice regarding my lack of religious preference. this is not about your religion or what you think is right, its about no pushing your beliefs on someone else..
@capirani (2840)
• United States
14 Oct 08
Not pushing anything on you at all. Just my opinion. Like I said, either of us could be wrong. And we all make our own choices.
• United States
14 Oct 08
it cant hurt anything for someone to pray for you even if you dont believe just say ok i appreciate what your doing and go on about your buisiness, or you can just have an open mind and think about what it will be like if you are wrong and people really do go to hell cuz that would suck so thats why i believe (id rather not take a chance)
@wolveren (1586)
• Cebu, Philippines
24 Oct 08
Ah there ya are. I finally found you guys. I normally would just shrug off anyone who talks to me about religion and just laugh it off. I don't subscribe to the thought of a being capable of letting his people suffer and punishes them for not believing. If I were such a being of great power, I would rid everyone of their misery. Make everyone happy, not let them crawl for forgiveness and all that crap. Like a huge child having tantrums if he doesn't get what he wants. Lol. Matter of fact, I remembered one friend who was an athiest and he told me about how he didn't believe in all those religions and dieties. I said why are you telling me all this, I don't know of any god you are talking about. Lol. In a world where the majority of the people are controlled by fear, politics and religion, we are a minority. I leave them alone to whatever they think is good for them. Lol. Ok if it is any consolation to those who oppose I'm goin to hell. Lol. That should make everyone happy. Hehe.
@wolveren (1586)
• Cebu, Philippines
24 Oct 08
As a follow up. No pun intended for those who are believers. I respect your beliefs no matter what they are. Whatever I said might have come from some deeper thing that I hold on to. I have had my share of conceptions and revelations in my own way. All that is my opinion and doesn't necessarily mean I am attempting to thwart anyone. I regularly stay out of these kinds of discussions because I might just say something to offend some people and I totally hate that. I shoulda kept my mouth shut. Lol. But all the same, Happy MyLotting!!! I still believe the world should be a happier place if we put down all our differences and have that positve energy inside. It's all cool bein' good to everyone.
@amoisan (240)
• Canada
14 Oct 08
i think if your an athiest you would not start a topic to try to get a rise out a god worshipers i think you were looking to get a ton of posts from mad people now i give it that you got my attention but im not mad because i use to be a athiest and i know you veiw but trying to make people mad now thats not cool. have i offended you?
@dvschic (1795)
• United States
14 Oct 08
no you haven't offended me, nor have you read the post to which you responded, it clearly stated that i wanted opinions on how you would react, not your personal opinion on god or me. how did i attempt to make god worshipers mad? i asked a question and left god out of it..
@amoisan (240)
• Canada
14 Oct 08
i did read it and whats the best way to get an opinion but to say that you did not want to hear what most of the people have to say about religion and not to flame you i agree on the not flameing you part but plz dont say i did not read it if i did not word my self properly sorry i just think you wanted a topic that would get a rise out of people and this one does.
@dvschic (1795)
• United States
14 Oct 08
how does my question cause issues? if people are secure in their beliefs then my questions should not affect them in any way. having true faith means that you can support your view without fear, because you know your faith is valid. asking how as an atheist i should respond does not challenge their beliefs in any way.
@hellcord (673)
• Romania
13 Oct 08
1. Tell them that it's unsolicited prayer, it can be considered Spam, and you'd like to unsubscribe :D 2. Tell them that if they Pray for you, you will Voodoo for them ;) 3. Tell them you already Saved at the checkpoint, no reason for Jesus to do another Save :P
@dvschic (1795)
• United States
14 Oct 08
I LOVE IT! just start speaking in tongues whenever they get in your face or start to pray..
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@hellcord (673)
• Romania
15 Oct 08
aye, brother! Tongues for the Win :D
• India
14 Oct 08
being an atheist is not a bad thing but you must take care that you don't hurt other's feeligs and their sense of faith...being an atheist myself i understand your feelings when someone tells that they will pray for me...i agree it is ridiculuous but one should not be rude and tell people that you don't value their prayers or believe in their god...coming to the point I hav not ever offended nyone by my views but I'v seen people do that...which is clearly wrong and should not be done...
@dvschic (1795)
• United States
14 Oct 08
shouldn't they take care not to offend my feelings too? or does my lack of faith put me beneath their needs? its just a question, playing devils advocate here..