A quick English lesson
By ElicBxn
@ElicBxn (63594)
United States
December 4, 2008 7:42am CST
Now, I know that there are a LOT of people here that don't speak or write English as their primary language, I know that if we were dealing with any other language I wouldn't be here, but there are a few things that I think people might like to know.
English has a lot of words that sound the same but are not spelled the same or mean the same thing.
There, their and they're are 3 examples.
"There" is a place - "put the cup there," "over there," "there are a few things."
"Their" is 3rd person, plural, possessive - "it is their choice," "their place," "I like their car."
"They're" is a contraction of "they are" - "they're going out," "they're nice people."
Another one is sight and site.
"Sight" is vision or a view - "you came into my sight," "you are a sight for sore eyes," "sightseeing."
"Site" is a place - "web site," "a site of a historic battle," "working off site."
I have to say that while I have terrible spelling, I really grit my teeth when I see someone - anywhere - writing things like: "How are things their where you are?" and "I was glad when the bus came into site."
I know there are lots of others, light and lite, great and grate to name a few.
Again, I understand that many people here don't speak or write English as their main language, and this really isn't toward y'all (as we say in the South) but more for people that are supposed to be fluent in the language!
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@tamarafireheart (15384)
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4 Dec 08
Hi ElicBxn,
Gosh! what an English lesson, I think that was great, as I am from the UK, I inderstand all this, but there are lots of youngsters that cannot spell the right words, I don't understand that as some of them are still in edcation and that really bugs me, don't they get english lessons or don't they spelling lessons? let alone people other country trying their best to write English here and I feel very humble for that.
Tamara
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@ElicBxn (63594)
• United States
5 Dec 08
Honesly, Tamara, I'm surprised who many English people do as well with their language as they do considering that they can end their education in what amounts to the 8th grade over here in the states! Maybe the school system is just better?
Nahhhh....
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@spoiled311 (5500)
• Philippines
4 Dec 08
hi elic!
well thank you for sharing. i wonder if that will really benefit the non-english writing/speaking group here.
anyway, thank you for the effort. i just hope this topic doesn't get deleted. hehe
take care and God bless you! :-)
@slickcut (8141)
• United States
4 Dec 08
I do know that this is true...Some are people who are not in their primary language and it is hard for them...Also I would like to say that i have seen old letters,from years back,for instance my grandfather....I read some of my grandfathers old letters that he had written to my Mom who has since passed at the age of 89 years old....In these letters,i noticed that a lot of words such as "sight" was spelled "site",which is incorrect,however thats how the older folks back then wrote,and some were supposs to be educated,so that tells me that even some of the teachers back then wrote & spelled things wrong..Its sad bit it is true...My grandfather had a beautiful handwriting but many words were incorrect....I also have a friend that calls a "sink" like a kitchen sink,she calls it a "zink"...which in this period of time is wrong,but many oldsters use that term in speaking of a "sink"...So i do know that some words have been corrected and is spelled differently that they use to be....By the way this is a very interesting discussion...
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@slickcut (8141)
• United States
5 Dec 08
I know some that say "warsh" my ex used to say that,he said it sounded funny saying "Wash'....I also hear people say "fangers" for "fingers", so its funny but it seems like however they say it ,we still seem to understand....Those books you have ,i supposs thats how they spelled it back then...I just wonder if it was just changed in our day, but use to be spelled like those old books you have...?
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@ElicBxn (63594)
• United States
5 Dec 08
Don't be so sure about the education, often people dropped out after 8th grade and honestly, until the 1930's/50's some spellings weren't set in "stone."
I have - some where in storage - some books printed in the 1905-1919 that spell the word "clue" "klew" or "clew." And the pronuciation of "sink" and "zink" could be a more regional affair - I add an "r" to the word "wash" because of my east coast parents, and I have a friend who's mom is from Arizona who also says "warsh" because of the heavy east coast influence in AZ.
Oh, and the beautiful handwriting thing, well, they were CONSTANTLY drilled on the handwriting. Heck, even in the 1970's I had a boyfriend who said I should develope a better handwriting. Needless to say, he rapidly became and ex-boyfriend... One of the things I learned in Library school, was that even 100 years before then (1970's) librarians had to write clearly with a clean hand and beautiful lettering - I can't READ my handwriting if I don't PRINT!
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@ElicBxn (63594)
• United States
5 Dec 08
Its just to demonstrate that English is evolving, that words aren't set in stone, but that until it does become a single spelling, I'm going to stumble over words that are mis-used.
And since things have been pretty much this way since I was a child in the 1950's, I doubt they are going to change in my lifetime... Mind you, I have met ladies at mom's place that can remember the first horseless carriages around town...
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@wifeofharvey (1156)
• United States
4 Dec 08
I am more amused than annoyed by that type of error. Yes, I do know the difference, and I use the proper spelling of the words. I am a terrible speller and have to look up the correct spelling of many words. ROFL, the trouble is you usually have to be able to spell the word correctly to find it in the dictionary.
If after a couple of sentences I can't understand the grammar of a post easily I just skip it. And I just skip all in 'text speak', with those I find I am so involved in figuring out what each abrev. means that I miss the whole line of thought, lol. By the way, did you know y'all is singular??? The plural form is 'all y'all'.
@wifeofharvey (1156)
• United States
5 Dec 08
LOL, that 'ya'all' was meant to be funny, I am in Texas also.
How about bear vs bare??? Do I bear with you in this discussion or do I bare with you?
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@ElicBxn (63594)
• United States
5 Dec 08
I too mostly skip "txt spk" discussions - I have even reported them as violations.... And boy do I know that you can't look up words in the dictionary if you don't have a ghost of an idea how to spell it - and why does ghost have an "h" in it anyway???
And, honey chil', I live in Texas and y'all is both here, it is a very regional thing. Like "you guys" "yous guys" in other parts of the country.
For example, from the Beverly Hillbillies "y'all come back now, hear?" is used as both the singular and the plural.
THERE'S ANOTHER ONE! "Hear" and "here!" dern it! "Hear" is audio and "here" is place!
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@CarlKnittel (692)
• United States
22 Dec 08
Yous, Younz, Ya'll they all come up around me. Souther is adopted by many but the other 2 show up in folks from Pittsburgh and Buffalo. In Georgia it is important to understand that Ya'll is singular and All Ya'll is plural. I did notice a person here on my lot who regularly uses "you all" which, I suppose, is academic southern.
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@nanajanet (4436)
• United States
4 Dec 08
I am like you. Do you know what word I see written incorrectly, many times over, even by business professionals? Lose!
They will write, "How do you loose 10 lbs."
I just want to scream, "IT IS LOSE!!!! GET IT?!!!"
LOL
Even when I was learning another language, I tried very hard to do it correctly. I am amazed at the rules we learned in school that kids do not learn now, like I before E, except after C, or when to use "a" before a consonant or "an" before a vowel sound or say "the" (tha) or "the" (thee) the same way.
I know that I have caught myself typing it incorrectly, and I try my best to catch it, as grammar check does not always do it, especially when I am writing fast.
@BarBaraPrz (47313)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
5 Dec 08
Maybe they really want to set those 10 lbs loose...?
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@nanajanet (4436)
• United States
5 Dec 08
Hahaha!! Yes, I want to "loose" the "wait"!!! How is that?
Maybe we can do an entire post with using the wrong homonyms, yes?
Here is a list...
http://www.cooper.com/alan/homonym_list.html
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@jillmalitz (5131)
• United States
4 Dec 08
The English language is one of the hardest to learn. It doesn't always follow the formula of sentence structure like the Romance languages do which are based on Latin. And you are right because there are a lot of words that sound the same, but have different meanings.I still remember a class discussion in high school about lie down, lay down etc. Such fun. LOL!
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@ElicBxn (63594)
• United States
5 Dec 08
English is an amazing language, its considered a Germanic language, but has "top" heavy Norman French influences and - AND it was pretty much altered by invasion with in 2 generations because the invaders married (or at least lived with) English women and didn't speak the language so they learned a "pidgin" form of the spoken language and that's what comes down to us today as English.
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@someonesmom (5761)
• Canada
4 Dec 08
Hi ElicBxn,
Wow. This is a very interesting topic. I understand what you're getting at here, as I've seen a lot of this also. As for my spelling, I try my best not to misspell a lot of words. I use Firefox, so the spell check comes in handy. As a matter of fact, I challenge myself when I've incorrectly spelled a word. I keep trying to get it right, without actually using the spell check. It's a good teaching tool as well.
When I do see things written the way you've mentioned, I often think that the individual just hasn't taken the time to reread what they've written. I 'usually' do so, before I hit the post button. I've caught myself many times, using the wrong version of there, for instance. I'm often typing along, and the 'wrong there' just flows from my fingertips, if you know what I mean. Then when I go back, I discover my error, and am able to correct it before I post. For many here, speed is of the essence, as they're trying to get in as many posts as possible. It's just the way they do things. I'm a reader, so I like to look through the discussions, and take my time in answering, but that's just me.
The English language is so complex as you've mentioned, that it can be mind boggling. Another good example is, 'to too and two.' I mean really, did 'we' have to make it all so difficult?
Just my thoughts here. I 'still' aspire to be a published writer someday. I was taking an actual writing course awhile back, which I've never completed. I learned pretty quickly from my tutor, that if anybody is going to write professionally, there is zero tolerance for any type of errors. These include spelling, grammar, and punctuation. This is for those who actually hope to have a book, article, short story, poem, etc., published. Very daunting.
Anyway, I hope my ramblings have made sense to you here. I really think that each individual views the whole myLotting experience differently. Everyone has their own reason for being here. Thanks again.
Take care.
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@tyc415 (5706)
• United States
4 Dec 08
I am supposed to be fluent in the language and there are many times I have to stop and think whether or not it is supposed to be a certain word spelled a certain way or just regular words with their spelling. I do make mistakes myself, too bad we don't have spell check in MyLot, I could sure use it.
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@ElicBxn (63594)
• United States
4 Dec 08
My client uses Foxfire and she's got spell check, but they won't catch these kinds of errors (tho she would! )
I am famous for my bad spelling, but these are really spelling errors, they are inappropriate usage errors.
The scary thing is that some of these people that I see these error with, claim to be earning money with their writing!
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@writersedge (22563)
• United States
4 Dec 08
The words that kill me are:
quit
quite
quiet
I've had to reread sentences because instead of quit your job, they have quite your job or quit the job, but they meant it was quite the job. And nobody seems to ever write that it was really quiet at their house, it was quit or quite at their house.
Here and there = places
@ElicBxn (63594)
• United States
5 Dec 08
Yeah! and those aren't even SAID the same, they just look simular! I mean, I retired back in '05, but really, I would've quit that job anyway! The job was fine, really, but the people! Most were nice, no problem, but the new boss... she was quite a peice of work! And then, when I came home, there was no rest for the weary, no peace and quiet...
See, I got "quit" "quite" "quiet" and "peice" and "peace" in there!!!
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@katemeow (847)
• Singapore
4 Dec 08
this is true. i guess it can be a bit confusing for some since these words sound the same :) thank you for sharing these tips!
also, i think sms or text and LOLspeak language has something to do with the deterioration in spelling. i think most people know the differences in the examples that you have just shared but prefer using shorter words to express how the feel. i am sometimes guilty of this because i use the expression LOL a lot :) haha!
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@ElicBxn (63594)
• United States
4 Dec 08
I don't really mind the "LOL" but I do mind "txt spk" I disagree, their and there are the same length, why not use the right word?
NOW, when I write by hand, I use the letter "t" to stand for "the" so I will write, "t man took tir book over tre where ty're likely to find it." But I sure don't expect you guys to read that!
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@michael_nonan (384)
• Philippines
5 Dec 08
I don't know bout other countries but where i came from, English is taught from 1st grade up to 2nd year in college. and it's all mandatory. it's in our law. so here, we study English language for 12 years.
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@ElicBxn (63594)
• United States
5 Dec 08
Heck, we do that too, actually 14 years here in the states if the person doesn't drop out of school. I'd almost bet most of your people would have fewer problems of this nature than those who think they know the language because they speak it from birth...
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@michael_nonan (384)
• Philippines
6 Dec 08
14 years, thats something i can understand. its because thats your language. im in the philippines. try studying two languages from prep school? kids got confused all the time. and we don't even use it in everyday conv. i think some states there laso study a second language ryt? for how long?
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@061234217 (133)
• China
4 Dec 08
English is difficult for me... As a chinese,I have learnt it for nearly 10 years.But I'm still not good at it.Many people say Chinese is the most difficult language in the world.I think it is because they are not chinese,as I am not English or other English speaking countries.
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@ElicBxn (63594)
• United States
4 Dec 08
Well, that's why I started out saying that I am not including those of you that English is a second (3rd, 4th or whatever) language for, I'm talking about people that say that English is their first language!
I KNOW how hard English is, it only begins to make sense if you understand that it is the result of multipul invasions of the British isles by people that didn't speak the language!
Its thought that within 2 generations English lost all its "gender" endings to things that all other Indo-European languages have. And why? Probably because there were invaders who didn't speak the language who came in and married the locals.
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@CarlKnittel (692)
• United States
22 Dec 08
Chinese is quite hard to learn to read. Speaking is a whole other matter. I know people who learned to speak Chinese, Japanese, Korean and Vietnamese but I can't think of any who learned to read any of those languages.
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@spoiled311 (5500)
• Philippines
4 Dec 08
hi elic!
well thank you for sharing. i wonder if that will really benefit the non-english writing/speaking group here.
anyway, thank you for the effort. i just hope this topic doesn't get deleted. hehe
take care and God bless you! :-)
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@BarBaraPrz (47313)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
5 Dec 08
Join the club. I, too, am dismayed by misuse of words by supposedly native speakers of English, but when they don't bother to teach spelling in schools anymore... In fact, they stopped teaching it when my youngest sister was in school, and she's a grandma now! Why, back when I was a young'un... we even lost marks on a history exam if there was a spelling mistake!
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@ElicBxn (63594)
• United States
5 Dec 08
I didn't have to spell right on history exams, but that's good, because I can't spell! But my sister was the victim of an "equal opportunity teacher" who couldn't even correctly SPEAK the English language, much less TEACH it! She still (at 51) will say "ideal" rather than "idea" because of this MORON! A few years later that stupid woman lost her teaching job and became an aide - probably ruining another generation after those she actually, so called, taught!
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@frizzy_flirt (19)
• Philippines
5 Dec 08
HAHA! nice topic..
this is helpfull thanks..ciao!
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@munhozmib (3836)
• Sao Paulo, Brazil
5 Dec 08
Hello, ElicBxn.
I do not have English as my native language. I was born in Brazil, and I live in Brazil. I have never had a real contact with a foreigner. But it doesn't mean I shouldn't know how to write things. I try my hardest not to make any mistakes, and I am always studying, searching the meaning of words and trying to find out the way they are spelled. I believe that, no matter where you are from, you should do this too (not you, but everybody).
Some mistakes that are usually seen is the difference between "THAN" and "THEN". Than is used in comparative sentences. "I am rather fly a kite than drink some water.". "I am taller than you.". Then has another meaning. It may have a similar meaning to "so". "Then, I started doing this.". Then is used to mean something like "at that time". "I was fishing. At that time, I found her.". "I was fishing. Then, I found her". People should not confuse than and then.
But we are all learners, even if English is your native language. There is no problem in making mistakes, as long as you are allowing to learn how to fix them.
Respectfully,
Munhozmib.
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@ElicBxn (63594)
• United States
5 Dec 08
I do agree that since this is an English forum, then people should endevor to use the best English they can. And you are right, the than/then problem is a tricky one, actually one I had to fight with for years. I do understand that people that post with different languages are working with that additional handicap of having to work through posting from thinking in one language and writing it in another.
I think its great, awesome actually that there are some people that post for whom English isn't their native language and they do so well - yourself included - but what bugs me are the native speakers who mess up so badly...
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@munhozmib (3836)
• Sao Paulo, Brazil
9 Dec 08
Hello!
I have also seen many natives writing in a poorly manner. But this happens, there are people who will not care too much about their language. When I am writing in English, I think in English. All my thoughts. When I am writing in Portuguese, I think in Portuguese. :D
Respectfully,
Munhozmib.
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@lvaldean (1612)
• United States
5 Dec 08
It is the mistake I make most often, to versus too, that is. Especially when I am going a mile a minute in forums such as this.
I write in other forums such as Helium and Hubpages and try to be more careful, but even then....well, I find myself making similar mistakes quite often.
Then there are some of my other favorites
Than versus Than
Threw versus Through versus Thru
i.e. versus eg.
I could go on
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@rocketj1 (6955)
• United States
5 Dec 08
I KNOW the difference between these words. I believe many people here do too. I also know that I have accidentally typed the incorrect word in many of these cases, not because I DO NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE but rather because I ACCIDENTALLY TYPE THE INCORRECT WORD. Please be forgiving to fallible humans such as myself! You realize now, that people such as my editor husband, will now be watching your responses like a hawk!Good luck!
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@ElicBxn (63594)
• United States
5 Dec 08
If, and I do mean IF, these were typos, mis-types, I would agree, but I see some people that are ALWAYS using the wrong their/there and they are saying they are writers or want to be writers.
I understand typos/mis-types and, as I said, I do understand people for whom English is a second language getting things wrong, but these people are supposed to be English speakers.
And he can edit away, I do some words intentionally wrong and I have NEVER claimed to be able to spell, tho (intentional) if I think it really won't be clear, I'll check myself.
I also try to write the way I speak and I'm from Texas - so BITE me.
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@camomom (7535)
• United States
5 Dec 08
Thanks for the lesson. I think some English speaking people just type or write them that way because they are faster to write or type. That they actually do know the difference. Don't forget that there are younger mylotters also that may not know the difference. You only have to be 16 to join. Non-English speaking mylotters are still learning our language so I think we all just need to be patient. It isn't their fault if they don't know.
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