My Son Saw His Father For The First Time Since Last Easter

@ellie333 (21016)
January 26, 2009 5:16am CST
I really hope I made the right descision. From Easter to October nothing. My sons father picks him up and puts him down as and when it suits and this was affecting my son but I kept communications open and since late October his dad has phoned him regularly and even put some money into my account to buy his a present at Christmas but I said that until he can prove he can be consistent and not let him down again perhaps it was better he didn't come over until he can come on a regular basis as it was harming him waiting for someone that never turned up when they said. This week though my son had been cring a lot saying he wanted to see his dad. When he phoned on Thursday I said his son was upset and wanted to see him and he refused to come to the house as my angel warriors would attack him, (he has mental health problems and to leave son alone with him until totally well I would be negligent) so I met him on neutral territory at the beach and stayed with the dog but where I could see him with my son and supervise. My son is happy that he has seen his dad and I just hope that he will remain consistent now in visiting. Many people have said I should have just severed contact but at the end of the day I feel my son should still know his father and question anything when he is older. What are your thoughts on this one please. Huggles. Ellie :D
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@zhuhuifen46 (3483)
• China
27 Jan 09
It is really tough for you. You did right to keep a positive image of his father in the mind of your son. The physical separation should not and could not sever the relationship between the dad and son. Sometimes a good will lie will help deal with the problem. Better off both for you and your son to put off revealing the truth when he is grown up. He can feel better now, and will appreciate your good will when he gets older.
@ellie333 (21016)
28 Jan 09
Hi zhuhuifen, Thank you. The main thing is that my son is happy to have seen his father and hopefully his father will see him in future on a more regulare basis, I won't lie, I have told my son that daddy is not well and can't always see him but haven't given details as such. My son can ask his father like you say any questions he may have when he is older. Huggles. Ellie :D
@winterose (39887)
• Canada
27 Jan 09
my son doesn't know his father, his father moved back home to his own countries, he is also schizophrenic, I know how you feel, I would not have deprived my son visits with his father if he wanted to see him but I would have made sure he was supervised as well. It was not out of spite my x is a good man but he has so many problems, he is not in touch with reality.
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@ellie333 (21016)
27 Jan 09
Hi Winterose, Yes it is because of this that I do have to supervise as he wouldn't intentionally cause any harm but would go off and leave him or not notice if there was a danger that type of thing. It is not easy when they have problems like this but he seems quite stable at present as he is seeing various people and is on special meds too. Huggles. Ellie :D
@CanadaGal (4304)
• Canada
26 Jan 09
I can completely empathize with your turmoil over this Ellie. ((((hugs)))) It's been over 1 1/2 years since my boys last saw their father, but apparently they have talked to him on the phone during their last few visits to their grandparents (nuckfuts' family). I don't mind them talking to him on the phone, and in fact, I encourage it. Like you, I don't want him to even think about visiting with the boys unless he can prove some consistency... and telephone conversations on a regular basis are an excellent way to start. I think you've done the best thing for your son, to keep communication lines open with his father. Your son needs to know for a fact that YOU are doing everything you can to encourage the relationship. Otherwise, he may choose to resent you in the future, blaming you for the lack of relationship there. This way, there is no doubt... the onus is on the father.
@CanadaGal (4304)
• Canada
27 Jan 09
Yes, for the sake of your son's happiness, I too hope his father will smarten up and be there for him. But as Dr.Phil says, "the best indicator of future behaviours is past behaviours" (paraphrasing).
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@ellie333 (21016)
26 Jan 09
Hi CanadaGirl, I believe you helped me last tim when I didn't know whether to send a birthday card or not but I asked my son if he wanted to and addressed on his behalf so that in future years I cannot be the one to be blamed for the non-contact. The meeting went well but because of his fathers health I would have been negligent to allo without some sort of supervision. Ny son is happy which is the main thing and he can ask his father all the questions he wants when he is older as to why he didn;t bother for so long etc. meanwhile I am here to give him the hugs when he needs them bless. Hopefully this time his father will reamin consistent. Huggles. Ellie :D
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@jdyrj777 (6528)
• United States
29 Jan 09
My son and daughter have different fathers. Neither father was really ever present or in contact. I never denied the fathers access to the kids. They chose not to come around. I never said anything bad about their fathers to them. I figured i would let the fathers make their own impression to their kids. When my son keep getting in trouble the courts in my home state desided to send my son to his dad, who had not seen each other from age 1yr to 14 yr. My son having ran away from his dads house a yr after going there. Has no contact with his dad today. My daughter a couple yrs ago contacted her father after doing an online search. He finally came to see her and her kids last nov. He also had not seen her since she was about 2yrs old. I think she wants to know him better. One thing is he promised to come for a yr and 1/2 before showing up. Is that impressive or what? Well, like i said im leaving it up to dad to impress thier kids.
@ellie333 (21016)
2 Feb 09
Hi Jdyr, So you have experienced first hand the emotional difficulties that come with it but I like you kept the communication open it was my sons father that chose not to visit but now he has sen my son, my son does seem a lot happier but because of his mental health I have to have supervised visits. I agree if we interferred there would be resentment aimed at us rather than the fathers. Huggles. Ellie :D
@jdyrj777 (6528)
• United States
3 Feb 09
I dont believe you mentioned the age of your son. Whatever the age im sure he can already see how his father is. Make sure you talk to your son about his feelings concerning his dad. Its too bad that so many fathers have to be that way. They dont even act like they care about thier childrens feelings at all.
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@jdyrj777 (6528)
• United States
29 Jan 09
I dont want any of them to say i interfered with the realtionships.
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@Humbug25 (12540)
26 Jan 09
Hi ya ellie333 This is a bit of a tricky one isn't it? Well firstly I think you did the right thing. You supervised the visit and that was important. Why don't you do the same in the future? As and when your son wants to see his father you can simply call him and set up a supervised visit so then your son know's that he can see his dad when he wants to. It might be months on end or weekly who knows but at least there will be no pressure for your son to see his dad if he doesn't want to and you can make sure his dad makes the meeting. It can't be easy for you and you have to do what is best for your son and not what is best for yourself, it's hard being a mum!! Good luck ellie
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@ellie333 (21016)
26 Jan 09
Hi Humbug, I think if I had allowed an unsupervised visit with his fathers mental health state I would have been bad as a mum so this will continue until he is better. I don't even have a number to contact the father on so I have to wait for him to call my son to arrange but he has been consistent since on medication so things can only get bette I suppose. Yes being a mum is not eas but I do try to do the right thing for my son but it is hard sometimes knowing what is the right thing if you get my drift. Huggles. Ellie :D
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@Humbug25 (12540)
26 Jan 09
I know you do your best for your son! I really do hope that all carries on well. My son's got to see there father 5 months after we fled the marital home. That was the last time they saw him which was 2 years ago now. He chose not to turn up to the next supervised visit and the boys haven't really asked to see him. I think one asked me about 6 months ago but I really wasn't convinced that he really wanted to. Also it is not a possibility so it was pretty much end of story and he didn't seem bothered when I told him and explained to him that he couldn't! Phew it's a hard life!!
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@ellie333 (21016)
26 Jan 09
That one and only visit after 5 months must have been dificult but if he hasn't bothered since it probably isn't going to eh! It is horrible when the kids are caught up in it all though but you have been doin an excellent job with your three boys on your own. I struggle enough at times with my one cos as you know my girls are grown and live away. Huggles. Ellie :D
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• Netherlands
1 Feb 09
Hi Ellie!! I personally think that you did the right thing for your sons benefit and in the long run yours also. After all, your adorable son that loves to cook doesn't understand at his age the full extent of the problem and probably won't for many years as he is so young. But I Do Know that you are a very good mother and that you kept a very close eye on him during the visit with his father and instead of crying now, he seems to be happy, which is great because he was so sad not long ago and I know that broke his heart as well as yours, and that is what I think a good and caring parent would do. While it may not..Is Not, the ideal situation by any stretch of the imagination, you are very well aware of the mental problems of your sons father and when it comes to breaking your sons heart or giving in a bit, even though you don't want to, I think we both know which way you will lean as long as you think it is safe. It is a hard situation you are in but you also know your Ex and his mental problems and as much as I Hate to say it, with the problems that he has, he probably is not going to be the best example as far as showing up every time he is suppose to, but at least the times he does show up you have a very happy little boy on your hands and I know that does your heart good as well as your sons As you can tell you and I have had this type of discussions before! Talk to you very soon...[
@ellie333 (21016)
2 Feb 09
Thanks Greeneyedlady, This is very strange answering you as I think I know who you are LOL. I have sent a PM to see but appreciate your support on this one. Huggles. Ellie :D
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• Netherlands
2 Feb 09
Yep! Yep! Yep! You know exactly who I am and I PM'ed, (?), you back to confirm it!! I can only hope that my support helped you some how and some way and helps you to be comforted that at least one other person out there thinks you did the right thing! Hugglie Poo!! (I make myself sick)!! ;) I'm going to have to come up with something as cute as Huggles but that's going to be a hard one to beat!! ;)
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• United States
27 Jan 09
I deeply feel for your situation. I don't know what is worse not knowing your father or constantly feeling let down by him. Sounds like your son enjoys his time with your father so I can see how it would be hard to severe ties. Maybe you can distract your son so that he is not thinking about it as much and I would explain it to him in the best way possible if you haven't already. It's not that his dad does not like him it is that his dad does not like himself, he sounds mentally ill which I feel for his soul as well. My son is 10 months and has never met his father and unfortunately I doubt he ever will. I consider this a blessing in disguise for he was a sick man as well leaving me in an abandoned apartment awaiting eviction while I was 4 months pregnant to go and live in Las Vegas. Some people are just inevetibaly not all there in the head which on the positive side gives us an example of what happens when you don't try to relate and be kind by others. Maybe it is a good thing your son does not see him all the time, he won't learn unhealthy ways, a blessing in disguise. God bless your son and his father and you for watching your son go through this.
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@ellie333 (21016)
28 Jan 09
Hi Jenna, Thank you so much, yes my sons father disappeared when I was pregnant with him too but has flitted back in and out of his life, not mine since then. Now my son has seen him he seems satisfied so I won't encourage too much of a frequency in visits but regular non the less. I thank God daily for my blessing and thank you for your thoughts and prayers too. Huggles. Ellie :D
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
26 Jan 09
Hi Ellie333 I think you are a good mother and I do agree with your decisions wholeheartedly. Even though if your relationship with his father has failed, your son should not suffer from this. Even though your son's father might have mental problems, he is still his father. It is a natural thing to have a desire to know who your parents are and to have some type of relationship with them. I am glad that you went an extra mile and agreed to meet on a neutral grounds to enable your son to meet his dad. I am sure that your son will be grateful to you in the future that you did not severe all contacts with his dad
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@ellie333 (21016)
27 Jan 09
Hi Ronaldinu, Thank you, I feel it is important too for a child to know both parents but it was his dad that didn't bother and would just flit in and out but as he is now getting medical help he does seem more stable and my son really enjoed seeing him. He can ask questions when he is older but he knows his daddy is not well. Huggles. Ellie :D
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
27 Jan 09
I think that later on your son will thank you for giving him such chance. Let me say it again "You are a wonderful mum!"
@moondancer (7431)
• United States
26 Jan 09
I don't know ellie we just get snipets of info from time to time on your ex. You are the one that knows him best. I think that as long as he is not harming your son in ANY way it's okay for him to see him. Likewise since your husband has a dementia problem I wouldn't let my son alone with him and me out of earshot. You have no idea what he is saying to your son. This would really worry me. What kind of things is he telling your child? Does he say things off the wall to him or that is not true. Ellie this would worry me badly. When and if you allow him to see your son again I'd be with them on their visit what I mean by this is I'd be "with" them right there not out of hearing distance but being able to see what's going on. I'd be within earshot and close enough to correct what is said at that time or later. Many times the ex will say things against the mother to the child or other non essential things to the child that they have no business hearing. It sounds like your ex may say things that would not be good for your son to hear. As for letting him see him, if he is not harming him you wouldn't want you not letting your son see his dad become a problem between you and your son. Don't worry about this if your husband says and does things that will harm your child in any way. Your childs best interest is what matters.
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• United States
27 Jan 09
You have no reason to apologize ellie, I apologize for what I meant was that you are not going to "tell all" so to speak and you shouldn't you don't need to. It's that we just get snippets from everyone about things and events going on.
@ellie333 (21016)
27 Jan 09
Hi Moondancer, Sorry for confusion, it is because I have more than one ex but I hear what you are saying in that I should be in earshot so he can't tell my son stories about stuff but I do trust him not too as I when he called to speak to my son I put on speaker phone to make sure he wasn't putting things into his head so have this covered. I would be negligent if I did allow him alone with him without supervision, health offiials have told me this so that I will not do but I allowed a little space. Huggles. Ellie :D
@annjilena (5618)
• United States
27 Jan 09
hi ellie333, you did the right thing he should no his father wether he have problems are not.you didn,t have this baby by yourself let him shoulder some of the responsibilty.and as long as your baby father treat him right and loves being with him let them have a relationship together.there are to many children without there fathers in their life these days.so go ahead keep the line of communication open.this will keep your child from wondering what his father is like because he will know his dad.you really did a good thing.
@ellie333 (21016)
28 Jan 09
Hi Annjilena, Thank you, my son really did enjoy seeing his dad and I just hope that his dad will see him again soon. He did phone last night so I think he will be more consistent this time. Huggles. Ellie :D
@PearlGrace (3171)
• United States
1 Feb 09
Hi ellie. I trust your judgment on this one. Only you really know what has gone on between the 2 of you (you and estranged father of your son). I think it was a great idea to meet him out in a public place (the beach) where you could give him some alone time with your son, while still observing for your son's safety. These types of situations can be emotionally painful for everyone involved. It sounds like you are faring pretty well. Extra huggles.
@ellie333 (21016)
2 Feb 09
Hi PearlGrace, My only concern is my sons welfare and he does seem happier now he has seen his dad but a difficult situation as I do need to supervise because of his fathers health problems. Huggles. Ellie :D
@GreenMoo (11833)
27 Jan 09
I agree with you completely Ellie that it's really important to keep lines of communication open with absent parents, even when it's hard. Kids can then make their own decisions when they're older. Whilst I appreciate that there are occassionally circumstances where parents should not be given access to their children, in the majority of cases this is totally unjustified. Dealing with an ex partner and absent parent throws up all sorts of difficulties for anyone who has to get involved with it, but juggling an ex partner with mental health problems must be even harder. I'm sure there will be those who don't agree with your stance, but I applaud your good sense. As your son gets older you can take your lead from him, but when our kids are small we can only do what we think is best for them.
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@ellie333 (21016)
2 Feb 09
Hi GreenMoo, It is never easy but my son does seem more settled now he has seen him. I think as long as they are supervised together and visits not too frequent whilst he so ill it should be okay but I would be negligent if I allowed him to take him off, not that he would elibrately harm but he may not notice him wander off or something and my son could be hurt in that way. Huggles. Ellie :D
@bombshell (11256)
• Germany
1 Feb 09
its a good idea that they see each other Ellie.father is always be a father.just likemy little girl,when her dad was in hopsital she wanted to gave him a kiss but it was not allowed.then they see each other its like theres no tomorrow.how about you keeping the hubby in your life?
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@ellie333 (21016)
2 Feb 09
Hi Bomshell, No chance of that one, he left whilst I was pregnant but I do feel there should be a father and son relationship even though because of his health problems it needs to be supervised. Huggles. Ellie :D
• Australia
27 Jan 09
This certainly is a tough situation, for both parties. I myself know exactly how you feel as I have a 2 year old who only sees or spends time with his dad when it suits him. His dad has a mental illness also, he says and does strange things. He and I still are together, in a manner of speaking, but, he is more interested in spending time with both of us and not with his son alone. I do trust him with our son as he has proved in the past that he can look after him quite confidently. My son and I do cope a lot better without him around, but at the same time it is important for him to spend quality time with his father. I strongly suggest that you stand your ground and do whatever you feel is the right thing. I also suggest that you talk to your son about how he feels and to prepare him in a way that is not going to upset him or make him think that his dad doesn't want to be involved in his life. I feel that is so important to discuss issues like this with the children involved, it helps them in more ways than you think. You need to protect yourself as well as your son. I stress this because situations like this if not dealt with sensibly can have very harmful effects in the future. Just always make it known to your son that you love him very much and you only want what is best for him and he will respect you for that. I hope that my thoughts on this have been of some help to you. Good luck.
@ellie333 (21016)
27 Jan 09
Hi Sarleystar, So you know where I am coming from really but my sons father left whilst I was pregnant and never really showed that much interest when he was small then did, then didn't sort of thing but this time he has been consistent with calling and the neds he is on now and the help he is receiving does seem to have made him more stable so hopefully he we drop him again, but my son does understand that daddy is ill and can't always come to see him so I do try to explain things so he doesn't get too upset if he suddenly stops phoning for a while and coming over. Thanks for your input, apreciated and welcome to myLot. Huggles. Ellie :D
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
26 Jan 09
It was right for you to let your son see his father, and for you to supervise them. I guess because he is not playing with a full deck that he cannot work steady so I gather you were glad for the money for the Christmas present. You can tell your son when he is older that his father is not that well, and that it is not his fault. (Kids often think it is their fault.) I hope that your ex gets some help so that he can have regular visits with your son. By the way, is your ex on any medication? If not, you could persuade him to go a psychiatrist. It would make it much better and you can watch him interact with your son in a home setting.
@ellie333 (21016)
26 Jan 09
Hi Suspenseful, You have guessed right in all areas but I have never relied on his father and have always provided for my son myself so anything extra is a bonus so to speak. My sons father is on medication and is also undergoing different therapies I think with pschotheripist and psychiatist so hopefully his issues will be dealt with. Becaus eof his problems he won't come through my door at the moment like I said in the posting because I believe in God he thinks he is going to be attacked by angels if he comes through mt door so his mental health has made him think he is in a dark place if that makes sense. I am sure all will resolve. Huggles. Ellie :D
@stephcjh (38473)
• United States
27 Jan 09
I know exactly what you mean. I have had to deal with this with my daughter. Her father wanted nothing to do with me or her since the day I told him I was pregnant. He had no contact with her for 6 years and then came in her life for about a year off and on. He has not seen her since then. He never calls her, sends her a card, present or anything. He has never one time told her Happy Birthday or has ever been there for her for anything. I am so glad that he does not come around. My husband had been a very good father to her since she was 9 months old. I wanted to give my daughter a chance to know her dad also but he ruined it. she now sees I did not keep her from him though. He keeps himself from her.
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@ellie333 (21016)
28 Jan 09
Hi Steph, Yes my sons father disappeared when I was pregnant also but my son is nearly five now and i that time he has picked him up and put him down so many times but he does seem more stable now and my son was happy to see him so hopefully he will see him again. Your daughter has a loving step father whom I am sure she looks upon as da, yes like me you gave her dad a chance and he ruined it no-one else eh! Huggles. Ellie :D
@jillhill (37354)
• United States
26 Jan 09
I think you did aboslutely the right thing. My son is thirty. He never got to have much to do with his dad either....and it still bothers him. His dad passed on a few years ago not having saw him since he was four. So in my mind...you did the best thing for your son you could.
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@ellie333 (21016)
27 Jan 09
Thanks Jill, As you know my son is four himself right now and it is am impressionable age so the fact that daddy came to see him made him happy. Sorry that your son didn't get this chance. Huggles. Ellie :D
@Amberina (1541)
• United States
27 Jan 09
I think your doing the right thing, your son should be with his dad as much as possible and it sounds like you can keep an eye on them. You have a very unique and special situation, and you are making a great effort to make sure your son is happy and everyone is safe. Someday your son will thank you for it and as he gets older he might be able to spend time with his dad without you having to be there. I think it's very healthy to your son and his dad to see each other. Love sees no mental illness.
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@ellie333 (21016)
28 Jan 09
Hi Amberina, Thank you for your words of support and encouragement. That is so very true he doesn't understand how daddy is ill so he just loves him bless no judgement which others tend to do. He seems much more stable now the docs have ound correct meds to give though. Huggles. Ellie :D
@marketing07 (6266)
• South Korea
26 Jan 09
hi ellie..it was a good idea that you let your son see his father..hope that he will visit him. regularly ..goodluck ellie..n have a nice day
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@ellie333 (21016)
27 Jan 09
Hi Marketing, I hope so too. Huggles. Ellie :D
@guybrush (4658)
• Australia
26 Jan 09
Ellie, I think it's lovely you were able to arrange the beach visit - and especially that you were nearby and could supervise from a distance whilst still allowing your ex and your son to have special time together. Your son now has a happy memory to tide him over until the next time - and hopefully there WILL be a next time, as your ex has had an enjoyable visit with his son and obviously felt happy with the location - while you felt happy and that your son was safe. It's best to play things one day at a time in these circumstances - if your ex has mental health problems, maybe sometimes things just feel too difficult for him - so it's nice you can facilitate the visits when everyone's ready for them. It's hard on your son not having the visits as regularly as he'd like, but as he grows older and gains awareness of his dad's health, etc., he'll be happy you did everything you could to help him have a relationship with his father.
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@ellie333 (21016)
26 Jan 09
hi Guybrush, I am hoping that there will be a next time too for my sons sake but sonce his father has been on the correct medication and has been receiving help he does seem to have been consistent with the phone calls so I am optomistic that he will continue to see this time. My son was so happy to see him and went to run to him but then backed off and walked and just said hi. He knows his dad has been ill but doesn't really understand in what way. Huggles. Ellie :D