What's the rush?
By dreamertink
@dfollin (25387)
United States
February 14, 2009 12:45pm CST
Yesterday,I saw on CNN and other news stations that there were people asking what was the big rush that President Obama had to hurry up with this stimulas package bill.I was thinking,"What?,this country is in such a financial termoil and the asking whats the rush?" Then I got The Washington Post newspaper and saw 14 pages of legal ads where homes,cars and other possesions are being taken from people.That is this area alone and in only one newspaper!That even clarrified it more,"What's the rush?"
Do you agree that there should be a rush put on this bill or anything else that the president might do to correct this financial mess he inherited?
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24 responses
@jonesy123 (3948)
• United States
14 Feb 09
What the last stimulus package showed us was that we shouldn't rush things along that quickly. A hastily put together package can be as bad as just leaving things alone. Obviously there were so many areas not covered and so many loopholes and such. This is a giant package with over a 1,000+ pages. It's something that all lawmakers should study carefully and take note of every little change that's put in. The final package now has so much pork in it that it simply won't do what it was originally intended to do, create millions of jobs and fast. There are so many vague rules there that pretty much anything goes again. Nobody even really bothered to determine where the priority should be. Of the almost $800 billion they are only throwing a fraction at immediate job creation, another fraction at measures to keep people employed.
Yes, you look at the paper and you see pages of bad news and foreclosure auctions etc. That could have been stopped by just putting a hold on proceedings until things are put together. Now, although claims are made that homeowners will get help to avoid foreclosure, there is really not much in the package that will do that. Instead the real estate market is supposed to get going again by giving people incentives to buy a home. Buying up failing mortgages... well, there isn't really much done for that. For car and other loans??? Nope. But you can go and buy a new car.
Thing is, because of the rush, this thing is a full blown mess now and will have little impact where it's really desperately needed. Now we are throwing good money after bad. So ultimately, yes, what's the rush? It's important to get things right and do the things that are really needed.
Facit: don't wait on the government to come and help you. They first and foremost help themselves and those who can help them get re-elected. It's always been that way, and I doubt it'll change any time soon.
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@dfollin (25387)
• United States
14 Feb 09
I have to agree to your statement at the end about not waiting for the government to help you.But,my point is,not what is in all those pages,but that something has to be done because look at the way things are.
@jonesy123 (3948)
• United States
14 Feb 09
But that's the point. The government doesn't do anything really. Have a look at the package and tell me where it will save all those people facing major problems right now. Who lost their jobs, their homes, their cars etc... or are about to or will within the next six months. Nothing in this concoction of a stimulus package will help them. That's the problem of haste. They did not take the time to really think about it. Yes, something has to be done, but this is not the right way to do it. All it accomplishes is that we as a nation are drowning in debt and a few years down the road will have to pay for it... in significantly higher tax rates. The money has to come from somewhere after all.
That's why the rush comment was made. Rushing to do something but not doing it right but terribly wrong... well, it'll just make matters much worse than what they ever would have been.
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@Polly1 (12645)
• United States
14 Feb 09
Our country is in a financial crisis, it is a rush to do something to make things better. Thats why this man was elected, we want change, we want something better, we don't want the same old thing. Things are a mess, we can't go on muc longer this way.
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
14 Feb 09
Let me know how that need to rush works out for you the next time the doctor decides to take the whole foot for an infected toenail because he's in a rush.
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@mscott (1923)
• United States
14 Feb 09
What in the bill is going to make things better for most of us. Getting a 7 dollar a week break on taxes starting in June doesn't really stimulate the economy. Letting people who didn't pay their mortgages keep their houses and pay less for them just shafts all of us who bought within our means and did what was right. I am not saying something shouldn't be done but if you see all the spending in this bill that really doesn't help the economy right now that doesn't seem like a change, and if it is then it is not a good one.
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@Kowgirl (3490)
• United States
14 Feb 09
I think it should have been studied more closely.
Anytime a bill is rushed through there is something
going on the politicians are trying to cover up and more
screw-up on what it is for and how it is used.
Do you want your tax dollars helping people who abuse the
system so they don't have to work, pay tax and live the good
life off your dollar? Like the woman who just had 8 more babies
and can't even support the 6 she already had.
Want to know more about what this stimulus bill will cover? go here.
http://around-the-world-news.blogspot.com/
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
15 Feb 09
Couldn't agree with you more and as far as those people who bought houses they couldn't afford, well too bad for you. Hope you learned a lesson. I don't own a house why should I pay for yours?
I see nothing wrong with getting help when you need it or with disability being given to a person who is truly in need. My own daughter is on disability, but she is also working on becoming independent and off of all disability. She's worked the last two years putting away money to got to school. Now along comes some who think it's okay to be a failure and never try. It goes against every principle I raised my kids by.
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@dfollin (25387)
• United States
15 Feb 09
irishidid,who is this person that you are referring to that came along and wants us to not do anything and live off the government?
kowgirl,the lady that just had 8 babies has never been on welfare and does not plan to go on to welfare.If her family,friends,church and other people help her out then that is their business.
@dfollin (25387)
• United States
15 Feb 09
I do not own a home either.But, I have rented several homes and am now staying in a hotel because those homes were foreclosed on or the owners could not afford to do repairs yet expected me to pay for the repairs and the whole amount of rent,we are now having to stay in a hotel room and our stuff in storage.
@terri0824 (4991)
• United States
14 Feb 09
I've read that there are over 1000 pages to this stimulus package bill. And one of the stipulations in it includes not eligible for anyone who holds any type of worship or religious activity. Which includes colleges that hold those type of activities for their students. That means they wouldn't get any funding for their schools. That's a sad shame that the world would come to this.
I think I just saw a news headline say that the bill was passed.
I do agree something needs to happen but not sure what it is that could turn everything around at this point.
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@dfollin (25387)
• United States
14 Feb 09
I do not know what is in the bill.My point is that they are asking what the rush is to do something.
@writersedge (22563)
• United States
15 Feb 09
People asking, what's the rush, must not have money problems. That's like when I was sitting in an office and a secretary was saying that she thought the news media was hyping people loosing their homes. 53% of morgages were going belly up at the time and she thought they were spending too much press on it and making people worry for nothing. I'm not sure what planet these people are on, are you? If it doesn't effect some people or people they know, it's not real to some people. But with a lot of people loosing their jobs and cuts in almost every sector of NY State, I think they're about to find out how serious it is and I think soon everyone will be affected. Then maybe they'll get it. I hope they don't get it too late.
@dfollin (25387)
• United States
15 Feb 09
I guess that this might sound cruel but those people that think that they are so above everyone else should loose their houses too and see how it feels.I know one of those people that always thinks that they are better then me.In this hotel that we are temporarily staying in has an apartment program on a lower rate only thru next month and there are lots of people here besides ourselves staying here on that program.There was one couple here that could not afford that program even and are now living on the street. Exactly,what planet are they on? I agree.
I know people in New York that have delbt with a lot of cuts and in this county,which is supposed to be one of the best school districts in this country(which,I beg to differ on,thats another discussion thou)has gone thru some major cuts.Our libraries as well as other things have been cut here.There are some stores that I love have been closed.
@dfollin (25387)
• United States
16 Feb 09
I told you that it sounded cruel,but I think they should get a taste of what we are going thru.Maybe they will get the idea of what needs to be done and how hard it is out here.Maybe it will take the harsh reality of them loosing their homes.
@writersedge (22563)
• United States
16 Feb 09
Thank you for best response. But these people really don't feel affected. I don't think they should loose their homes, but I think they should get out of their cacoon and go help in a soup kitchen or go see what is going on at the unemployment offices. If they think the media is hooping it up, maybe they should go see for themselves what is going on. 53% loosing their homes should mean something to them. Previously we had way, way less than that. But if you are in a situation where you, your friends, and your community aren't affected, then you think it really isn't that bad.
The woman I spoke of works in the department of corrections, so does her husband, all her friends, and all the people she works with. Until it affects corrections, they are in a cacoon. But one of the other secretaries has relatives and friends who are affected and when she said that about media overplaying it, she spoke up as I did (I was applying to get back into corrections)and said she had many people it affected. Medical profession like our hospital doesn't seem to be affected either, but I think when all is said and done, everyone will be affected. Partially because they are moving so slowley. But if they move fast and don't put something in place, bankers and whoever can use the money as they see fit and that isn't going to work either. So they need to be slow enough to make sure some safeguards are in place and that the money goes for what it is intended, but not so slow that we end up in a depression. Thanks and take care.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
15 Feb 09
u said it right, he inherited a mess. i sure wouldn't want his job. i hope he's able to help get some of the mess straightened out no matter how or what he has to do.
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
15 Feb 09
i agree. the man has not been in office a month yet & here are these blowhards saying ehat they'd do. i amagine if they were up there it would be like me being up there. they wou8ldn't know their buttes from a hole in the ground.give the man a chance!!
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
15 Feb 09
The rush is so that you can't read it all. The crap in there is astounding. Nobody could possibly have read it all. It was sent out at midnight and they had to vote that day. The debate that it should have had would have taken weeks. But they just expect everybody to sign it because the said so.
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@dfollin (25387)
• United States
15 Feb 09
If no one has been able to read it,then how do you know that it has so much crap it it?
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
16 Feb 09
Oh did not Bush send out stimulus checks and tried to fix the banks, so you are doing the blame the Bush administration for everything? I heard that the stimulus bill is so big and complicated and Obama or rather the Democrats in congress want to rush it through so that no one gets to read it and there are some things in it that Americans would not like. That is they would not have liked if for instance Hilary Clinton became president.
Why could they not lower corporate and personal income tax so the people of the United States have more money in their pockets and why did they decide to give those people sub-prime loans who could not pay them back? Was it not the Democrats who wanted poorer people, black families and Latino families to get to own their own homes and did not wait until these families made enough money to qualify? Seems as if you are putting all the blame on the wrong people and wanting Obama to be your savior.
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@dfollin (25387)
• United States
16 Feb 09
Oh no Jesus Christ is my savior! As I said everything happens for a reason.God gave Barack Obama the knowledge to be president and the people the knowledge and free will to vote him in.
With the first stimulas that Bush put thru I only got half of it.Most of the funds went to their mailings and stuff.When I only got half of it direct deposited in my account.I had to take it out to use for a utlity bill which closed my account.Then after I disputed the matter with the IRS and told them that my account was closed to mail it to me they direct deposited to my closed account and said that they would get it back and send it to me.After a month I had not received it and called them again and they said they would research it and call me back.Instead they spent more money by writing me a letter saying that then the bank said the account was closed.They sent my son only half of his to his old address and said that he would have to refile again with the correct address.He was only sent to his new address half of his funds.He called them and was told that he had to file a dispute form.So,he did and it was sent to the old address again.He had to file again to receive it to the correct address.There were a lot of other people this happened to as well.See a lot of the funds were spent on mailing letters and making new forms.Then when one of the companies that Bush gave money to,spent it on a private plane.So,on this stimulas Obama will know where the money is going and there will be a web site made so the people will as well.Iam white,part native american so this does not pertain to me except for being a poorer person.In the same line you put blacks and latinos in the same line as poorer people.Now President Obama did not say any nationality.Which is illegal anyway.It is discrimination. He said many times middle class.He never demeans anyone as describing them as poor! Seems as if you are missquoteing and blamming the wrong person.
@mehale (2200)
• United States
14 Feb 09
I have to agree that it is important to begin to repair our economy as efficiently and quickly as possible. On the other hand it is just as important to get it right. The really sad part is, that no matter how fast they pass these stimulus bills, there simply is no fast or quick fix for the problems plaguing our country. They took years to build up to this point, and will take years to fix.
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@dfollin (25387)
• United States
14 Feb 09
Yes,like President Obama said it is going to take longer then days,weeks or months.We all have to work together.But,the sooner we get started then the sooner it will get repaired.
@grammasnook (1871)
• United States
15 Feb 09
The rush of the bill is not to repair the economy immediately but to hopefully stop the spiral effect and then take the time to recover. This is why it takes time. Obama is damned if he does damned if he don't. The people saying what is the rush are the people that still have jobs and all their possessions. It is I am fine so what it is rush? Not okay lets hurry it because other people are suffering losing jobs and everything they own. Selfish perhaps?
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@dfollin (25387)
• United States
15 Feb 09
grandmasnook,yeah,they still have jobs and are making a lot more money then the middle class.So,they do not have to worry.I totally agree with you.
@msmargo (361)
• United States
16 Feb 09
Well, for sure I don't think the president should sign it in to law on Tuesday. All of the reports I heard (CNN or any other broadcast station) says there is alot of pork in the bill. Now, Obama ran on a platform that said he wouldn't allow pork. Either the congress doesn't believe him, or he assured the congress he was only fooling to put up a good front for the people. The bill is over l000 pages long. No one could have read it before passing it. The Bush stimulus package was rushed and look what came of that? Banks are using the money they got to buy other banks.
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@dfollin (25387)
• United States
16 Feb 09
The "pork" could be the ammendments that congress added too.Have you thought of that? Yes the banks and companies that Bush gave money to is misusing it greatly.One company bought a private plane.One company remodled their offices.CEO's are getting bonuses too.
@quinnkl (1667)
• United States
16 Feb 09
It still amazes me that people don't really realize how bad things are in the country. It will take banks closing and finances being cut off before some people see what is happening. And then they will be shocked! It is so bad right now that we could be in a depression (and worse shape than the first our country went through) very soon if things aren't "fixed". Will it all work? Will it work as quickly as we need it too? We can only hope. And only time will tell. But it is crucial that something (not giving huge financial institutions, corporations, wall street, etc money they don't have to give back, but help for the consumers... the actual people in the US) is done now. I agree with President Obama that something needs to be done now.
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@dfollin (25387)
• United States
21 Feb 09
I know it is amazing that there are people out there that do not see and feel how bad it is.I am lad that you agree with President Obama.So do I.
@savypat (20216)
• United States
15 Feb 09
What you say is true but I wonder if Obama has read the bill? It seems to me like that would have been a good idea for people voting on it or at least to have their staff read it and point out the things that might be questionable. I hate it when the government uses fear to shove something down our throats.
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@dfollin (25387)
• United States
16 Feb 09
He is the one who wrote it.Monday when it gets back on his desk he will go back and see the ammendments that were maid by the house and congress.
@UtopianIdealist (1604)
• United States
15 Feb 09
I think things can be overlooked or even not thought thoroughly when rushed. I do agree something needed to be done urgently, and I suppose as did the majority of Americans, as why someone who made promises of repairing some of the breakdown of society was elected.
@dfollin (25387)
• United States
16 Feb 09
I believe that President Obama has been thinking about this for a while before he got into office.If you remember that the day after he was elected he jumped right into work even thou he was not in office yet.
@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
16 Feb 09
When anyone in the government tries to rush something through Congress without giving members time to read and understand what they're voting for, I think there's got to be something fishy going on and it stinks.
@dfollin (25387)
• United States
21 Feb 09
That's the point,they should take the time to read it.Because we can't wait or it is going to get worse.
@vikramiyer2k (12)
• India
15 Feb 09
it's evident that the US economy is largely hit and this is a precursor signal for more to come. it's best the funds are released immediately to preclude further complications, the funds are saving lives that are drowning, such critical situations requires immediate action. the rush I think is completely justified.
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@edgyk8inmomma (2157)
• United States
14 Feb 09
Rush? No, haste makes waste...right? But that doesn't mean we should all just sit around hoping the answer will come to us. It is time for action, and big action at that. I think that too much rush will cause a lot of trouble, but not enough will bring about a change too late. There's a nice happy grey area in the midle that our leaders in Washington need to step into. Unfortunately, those who see the need for expediancy are too worried to get this past through and in action, that they become willing to let alterations that change the thing too drastically change the foundation of the bill. And on the other side, those who sy let's just take our time and do it right this time, are acting as mud on the wheels decreasing the forward momentum this nation needs right now.
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@dfollin (25387)
• United States
14 Feb 09
Exactly,if we just stand around instead of using the smarts and talent that God gave us to use in life then we will not get anywhere.
@Bebs08 (10681)
• United States
16 Feb 09
To be honest!! I don;t want to read the news about this issue because I don;t want to get upset or be stressed over it. My husband does everyday and he is always upset. Lol.. He keeps on murmuring that this country is about to collapse.. well, what can we do about it? can we, the common people do something about it? that's my question, every time he keeps on murmuring.What do you think?
@LilPixelle (828)
• United States
14 Feb 09
Its very important, but it is NOT something you rush, Something this controversial you should go over and get as much information as possible, A LOT of people are saying it will devalue the U.S. dollar (and I agree) I personally think that, for the most part, the people who are in this trouble, got there themselves through giving THEMSELVES so much debt, THEY DID IT TO THEMSELVES! They can wait a few months so that we can be as sure as possible about this, so that we do not give the same problems to the people who did NOT do this to themselves (To be clear, I'm not talking about spare the white collar making 80,000 a year people who never had to worry about debt (even though most do), I'm talking people like my mom who have us take vitamins when we are sick, who shop at the thrift store and rarely get brand new, who stopped getting cable because it was too expensive, who doesn't go out to eat usually more than once a month. etc.)
Personally, I think that to fix this economy, first we need to get rid of such laws such as the CPSIA, and consider alternatives to the FDA laws the severely limit selling food made in your kitchen. (alternatives such as labeling your food as WARNING: NOT MADE IN AN FDA APPROVED FACILITY! in big letters on the front.) These laws literally CRIPPLE U.S. Business, because the only ones who can get past them are the big name companies who ship jobs overseas.
Second, The U.S. Citizens need to stand as one and buy more U.S. goods, pay a few pennies more if you need to, it needs to be done. The Government cannot make any laws on this matter, to encourage purchasing more U.S. produced goods, If they did, it would start an economic war with other countries, if not a full out bloodshed war. Obama, even If I don't like him, CANNOT fight this battle alone, we still need to fight as well. That's the way it is supposed to be.
Being rash to find an answer only leads to mistakes and repeating our history.
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@dfollin (25387)
• United States
14 Feb 09
No,President Obama cannot do it alone.That's why he said that we all need to work together.
@deejean06 (1952)
• United States
16 Feb 09
I always feel that an immediate response to a problem unless there's a fire or some sort of life threatening situation is usually the wrong one. A knee-jerk reaction is usually the worst. I was once given the advice to wait 24 hours before making a decision or responding to something. That was really good advice for me since my knee jerk response can be insensitive. It's better to weigh all options before choosing a path.
@dlr297 (5409)
• United States
14 Feb 09
I believe that the rush was to try and do something to straiten this country out, we are in such a bad state that something had to be done. at least it did not take him 4 years to play around with it before it got done. I know that it is just a start to get things going, I hope that he is just as fast to act when their is a need to do so. and i hope that it was the right thing for this country. i guess that in the next year we will see how much good it will do. and it was one of the things that he talked about before he was elected, and the hurry was....That this country needs it now, not later.
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@dfollin (25387)
• United States
14 Feb 09
That's what I am saying the rush is to straighten this country out.It was some of congress that what was asking what was the rush,not me.I understand what the rush is about.I agree with you.