MAKE your kid understand!!!
By stacyv81
@stacyv81 (5903)
United States
February 25, 2009 1:21pm CST
Ok, this really irks me...I have three children and yes they are children so they act up occassionally....put come on!!
MY daughter is 2, she was born a week after my nephew. We had my nephews birthday party at our house, my daughter sat quietly and watched him open his presents.
At my daughters birthday party a week later at the park, my nephew kept trying to open my daughters presents! I said, "no, she sat quietly and watched you open yours and you need to do the same."
He starts crying, and I Still say "no sweetie those are hers" because my daughter is looking at me like "what??"
His mom, my sister in law looks at me and says, "aww he doesnt understand."
And I am thinking! MAke him understand! Isnt that your job?
This kills me, this is just one example, but what is with some parents lately? Control your kid, teach him things, what he should shoulnd do, respect, etc.
Does this bother you too? do you see this type of thing? How do you react? how should you react?
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22 responses
@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
25 Feb 09
If you teach kids from day one then you don't have to TEACH them. Does that make sense?
My Autistic child doesn't always understand but I still intervene and try to redirect her to an appropriate behavior.
It's a parents job to teach and that example above was a great place for your sister in law to do it. Her job not yours if you know what I mean. It's too bad more parents don't just step up and take responsibility.
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@stacyv81 (5903)
• United States
26 Feb 09
It makes perfect sense. Teaching from day one makes it easier to not have to take them aside and explain certain things in the middle of a party for example. For me, I say no do not do this, they dont and then after I praise them for listening and explain why it was so good that they didnt do it, you know?
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
26 Feb 09
Excellent method and yes, it's one I use. I think if you reward good behavior then that's what they will want to do. But I also thing there is a time for a "punishment" and It should fit the "crime"
Like if you color on the walls (the crime) then you should help clean it off (the punishment) I've found this teaches cause and effect.
If you are good and do this, you get that. If you are bad and do that then you get this.
Does that make sense?
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@Didi1201 (12)
• United States
25 Feb 09
A lot of parents these days had a child as a status symbol or a play thing. A lot of parents don't really want to "parent" their child. It is a problem and I think almost ever family has at least one in them like this. Sometimes when it happens I speak my mind. In your case a simple "yeah he doesn't understand, that's what you are here for- to teach him to understand" would have worked well I think. Good luck.
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@stacyv81 (5903)
• United States
26 Feb 09
yea, she has 3 other kids by 2 different other guys and none of them live with her, so I think for her this is kind of her first go around actually being a parent and with this one being her last (she had her tubes tied) I think she is babying him a bit ya know? but it isnt going to be helpful to him in the long run,
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@Foxxee (3651)
• United States
25 Feb 09
I understand that some parents should try a little harder to make their child understand certain things, but then again, 2 years of age is still young & birthday parties are exciting & a child that age might or might not understand.
Just because one 2 year old might understand, doesn't mean the other 2 year old will.
Another thing is you might want to keep in mind, these guys birthdays are close together & he had his party not long ago & being at another one not long after probably just excited him even more.
But really, I have worked with many age groups & some 2 year olds know everything that is going on & others just might be a little behind. Doesn't mean the parent isn't trying to get that child to understand right from wrong... sometimes it takes longer to sink in with some kids then others.
So I'm always careful how I look at another parents parenting because you just never know what is really going on... that parent might be doing everything right or they might not. So I wouldn't be to quick in judging, that's all I'm saying.
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@Foxxee (3651)
• United States
25 Feb 09
Well I wasn't done typing but hit that dang key & poof!
Anyway, I was going to add that if the parent you are talking about just sat there & didn't try nothing, then yes, I agree that is very un-called for, but if she did try & explain & he still continued, then maybe he really didn't understand.
But, parents should always step in, but at times I wonder if some parents just get a little embarrissed & freeze up...
At least you stepped in to explain... did he do better once you stepped in & did the mother tell him no ever during the party?
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@stacyv81 (5903)
• United States
26 Feb 09
yes I just kept telling him he needs to watch but he wouldnt so I held him and let him see closer without being able to touch.
No the mom did nothing, and if this had been an isolated incident, it wouldnt have been THAT big of a deal, but she will just laugh at him often and say look what my son is doing, and then someone else will have to take care of it.
For instance, One day they were at my house, and I went outside to take the trash out, as I was walking back in she was standing in the doorway of the kitchen and said, "look what my son is doing,"
I walked in and he is pouring toothpicks into the dog food bowl, and she stood there I had to go get the toothpicks and get them out of the dog bowl and from him, and tell him no.
She could've saved me toothpicks, for one,..lol, if she'd have just grabbed him.
I said,"why are you just letting him do that?"
She just laughed.
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@deejean06 (1952)
• United States
26 Feb 09
My son is only 8 months old but as soon as he is able to understand he will be taught proper manners. Most children don't even know how to say please and thank you nowadays. My co-worker's son came in to the office last week and didn't even acknowledge me - he had to be told to say hello and he's over 20! Obviously you have done an excellent job of teaching your daughter manners and your sister-in-law has not.
@stacyv81 (5903)
• United States
26 Feb 09
that is true you know parents sometimes say do as i say not as i do, well, that doesnt always work, I mean they definitely learn by example! And we should try hard to give them a good one. Aside from things that you have to learn cannot be done before a certain age.
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@stacyv81 (5903)
• United States
26 Feb 09
Yes, IT is funny like I was saying in another post. Good manners and discipline are almost amazing when you see it now...lol..
I had a couple over last night actually and my kids were finishing up dinner and my daughter (she's 2) said "Mommy can I have more green beans?" and I said sure and gave her some and she said,"Thank you mommy," and this couple stood jaws wide open, like "wow!" she is so polite.
Here is am thinking this should be normal behavior, and people are shocked!
I think we need more emphasis on teaching our children the proper way to speak to adults, and people in general! =)
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@deejean06 (1952)
• United States
26 Feb 09
I wholeheartedly agree - unfortunately children learn behavior from their parents and when parents don't have any manners their children behave poorly also. I think I read somewhere that children learn one thing: example.
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@mommaj (23112)
• United States
25 Feb 09
This type of "lack" of parenting irritates me to no end. I am a little too mouthy and so I do say something to the other parents or even teachers sometimes, just because these kids need to be told what is right and what is wrong if you want them to grow up knowing the difference!
If the child was at my child's birthday party I probably would have moved him. If that didn't work I would have taken him completely away from where the activity was. It sounds like him mom was with him so you should have given him to her. That's no way to "let" your child act. Of course he doesn't understand but if that mom doesn't teach him he'll never "understand".
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@stacyv81 (5903)
• United States
25 Feb 09
exactly! isnt tht our job as parents?
I went to my sons friends birthday party & my daughter wanted to watch him open his presents. I said to her, "sit and watch but dont touch,' I thought that would be a normal thing a parent would say to a 2 year old.
But I got all types of praise from three people saying how great it was I was teaching my daughter, and its about time someone started teaching their children.
While I was grateful for the praise, I thought, um, I thought this was just normal..lol
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@stacyv81 (5903)
• United States
25 Feb 09
lol, my kids are kind of like that! They listen to me, but I wouldnt ccall them horrible, they are just kids trying to push limits, you know?
But they act up a little at home, but it seems to be different thatn what your friends boy was. But they are perfect angels in public or other peoples houses..
I had a similar situation with my nephew. I put him in the corner twice and from then on he listened to me everytime!
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@mommaj (23112)
• United States
26 Feb 09
For some reason it's different with your own children because they keep seeing how far they can push you. Other people's children see there is a limit and they don't push it. I guess we're lucky we are good moms. LOL I mean we have such good kids.
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@okkidokitokki (1736)
• United States
25 Feb 09
I have two sisters, and growing up we always got the same gifts at holidays because they thought we would fight we also each got one gift for the other's birthday. It was silly on there part because we didn't even like the same things, nor would we have fought. Now that I am an adult I refuse to do that for the children that I buy for. If it is your special day then you get a gift. the only exception to this is when we visit friends or family that we do not see very often. Then we always take a gift for each of the kids (different gifts so they will actually like it).
I agree that parents should make there children understand that not everything is theirs. The only way to react is to be kind but stand your ground. if you have invited children into your home then they have to abide by your rules. If their parents know that they need something to open then they should provide it (they are the ones letting their child act up).
Do not back down, more parents should stand up to their friends with kids about how they let their children act; because those like myself without children of our own often are just told that we do not understand.
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@okkidokitokki (1736)
• United States
26 Feb 09
You shouldn't disciplne other people's children in their own home (unless they are going to get hurt) But everywhere else is fair game.
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@mummyofthree (2715)
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26 Feb 09
Oh yes this kind of thing really gets on my nerves too!
I have a friend who has a daughter the same age as my youngest and one a couple of years older. (4 and 6).
My daughter understands the need to respect and look after her toys. Doesn't touch my things etc. She has grown up from a toddler to a child. My friends kids still just pull their toys about with no respect. They are bought things and within a week they are broke or lost. She has to hide the sweets else they steal them. They still draw on walls and touch whatever they fancy. Ok if this is how she wants to let them behave in her own house.. fine. But when they are in my house I expect some respect. But I'm the one that is made to feel bad when I ask them not to climb on the furniture or not to touch my things!
My daughter has had dolls for years that are still as nice as the day they were bought... and yes she does play with them. My friends girls come round and have trashed them within minutes! And somehow I'm made to feel like I'm over reacting or being to strict
I know it will sound harsh but I now try to avoid having her children at my house. Perhaps that will sound like an over reaction but if she cannot instill some respect and discipline in to her children... why should me and my daughter have to suffer because of it?
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@stacyv81 (5903)
• United States
26 Feb 09
I agree completely. My kids like their rooms neat and toys where they go, when some kids come over and throw all things on the floor and step right on them break them, etc. My son has a ceiling fan light in his room one of his friends took my broom from the kitchen and smashed the light bulb all over the floor! My kids definitely know better than that! I was amazed at that behavior! And so now my son has to wait for us to go buy him and install a new light in his room to even have a light in there!
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@cher8558 (425)
• Canada
27 Feb 09
Hi friends,
You know I have always been the type of mother that if a child is in my home, he will act properly like my children do. I have no problem at all telling another child to stop doing something or chastising them for something they are doing wrong.
This seems to have worked for me. In fact, I have a nephew that is so bad for his mother, will not do anything he is told. He does whatever I say and never sasses me back. He even may be a little scared of me. Well if that's what works, then so be it. If the parent is going to take care of the child when they're in my house, then that leaves it up to me.
Cheryl
@stacyv81 (5903)
• United States
28 Feb 09
He probably respects you and your boundaries as he has none with his mother.
But yes everyone sets a certain standard, and the child should be adjusted properly. It is annoying when a kid comes over and you feel like you are babysitting with the mom sitting right there..lol
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
27 Feb 09
Oh I totally agree with you on this one. Your sister in law was absolutely right...he really doesn't understand. What she seemed to have missed was that that was her cue to take him aside and kindly explain it to him. If he still could not sit there without trying to open her gifts...this would have been her opportunity to remove him from where he was or if necessary take him away from the party until he did get it. As parents it is our job to teach our children how to be good, fair, kind, considerate and honest people so that is what we put out into the world. It starts from the day they are born. He isn't going to understand this simple concept any better when he if he hasn't been led in that direction...it just is not going to magically light up in his thinking. She is not giving her child's intelligence enough credit and you know what they say about that. If you treat a child like they can't understand ...they won't.
@lynnemg (4529)
• United States
26 Feb 09
Yes, this bothers me too! I have a very hard time respecting parents that donot teach their children the important things in life like patience, right from wrong and honesty. I can not stand for a parent to make excuses for their child when it is the parent's fault in the beginning. Your example is a good one. Um, at 2 years old, my kids all understood that if it isn't theirs, dono touch. They also understood very well that every one will have a turn, especially with birthdays. Now, my kids are not perfect at all, and they do have their moments, but I believe that is why they are still kds and I am still raising them.
Anothet thing that really bothers me is when someone comes over to my house with their kid and lets their kid get away with anythig and everything. All the kids that come to my house know that there are rules that have to be followed; no running in the house, no food or dinks out of the kitchen, simple things like that. The parents know that these rules are in place for the kids. It really bothers me when the parents will just let their kid do anything in another person's house rather than teaching th child to rspect other peoples belongings and home. And what about those parents who let their kid play, eat, or whatever and make huge mess then just leave the mess there?
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@stacyv81 (5903)
• United States
26 Feb 09
Oh isnt that great?!?!
I have had children come over around dinner time with their parents and They are like Im hungry, I didnt eat dinner, ok...lol...not that big of a deal I'll give them dinner, so lets feed those two on top of my three and lets just say....yea, a big mess..lol..(not my nephew different kids)
But they listen well to me so I dont mind. But Their parents are the type where the mom is WAY too leniant and she doesnt really pay attention at all, unless you point it out.
And the dad is really mean...lol..(i think) so I like to correct them myself rather than get them into trouble with their father you know?
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@kayla_7602 (704)
• Canada
25 Feb 09
I have been in this situation many time, or situations similar. I most of the time just have to bite my tounge....my child is my repsonsibility...but i dont feel right, nor like it is my responsibility to teach or discipline someone else's child.
For me the most frustrating part, is explaining to my son why this child is allowed to do something, or get away with somehting thathe does not. But with that being said...I cannot let him away with things, or stop teaching him so that I am like another parent.
SO i guess i will just have to suck it up, and hope one day he understands!
@stacyv81 (5903)
• United States
25 Feb 09
I understand, but since he is my nephew, It is a little different than if he was just someone else's child.
Me, my family and a few close friends all have the understanding that if we see one of the kids doing something they shouldnt we tell them not to, and then if its necessary point it out to the parent(s) for discipline.
But I am not just gonna let a kid open my daughters presents when she looks at me for protection, and she sees her presents as hers and I need to be sure she can get them, and have her right at her party, ya know?
I made sure he had his right to open his presents. So, there is a fine line I guess from making sure things are ok for your child and telling someone else's what to do, but I have never had a problem in that area, as we all have that understanding =)
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@kayla_7602 (704)
• Canada
26 Feb 09
I totally get what your saying, her birthday is her special day....and as her mom you have to do everything in your power to make it special! I would have said something to him, and then her, saying that it is your child's birthday....and it is special and there is no time better than now to make him understand.
I mean we all have to teach our kids these lessons and usally they cry learning them, but they are so important...like when he goes to school for instance he will not be able to take things from other children becuase he wants them. The sooner you start teaching them these important lessons, the better the understand and the easier it will become later.
Good Luck with your situation!
@Jae2619 (1483)
• United States
25 Feb 09
Oh yeah, bothers me to no extent. My children are well behaved and like yours sit back and enjoy celebrating other's birthdays, but when it comes to theirs, they've always got someone else trying to steal their day. I am an outspoken person, so I tell them what I think. Excuses don't work for me either, because they are only blaming the child for their irresponsibility to teach their children right from wrong.
My son's 5th birthday we had some issues with this stuff. I had just gotten out of the hospital from having been in the hosptial for 8 days with the birth of my daughter. She was born the day before my son, on the orginal date of his birthday party, so it had to be moved around some. Long story short, lol.. We were all gathering around to watch him blow out his candles and he was about to blow them out, and another child who was 8, blew them out. Tears come to his eyes, told her no, that wasn't tolerated, nor does she need to do it. So we lit them again, and to my horror she blew them out again. Her mother, just laughed, and said now she don't know any better. I come unglued, after just getting home from being in the hospital in pain from the c-section , I said a few choice words, she finally got the hint and pulled her child to the side and explained to her she wasn't to do that. He then finally got to blow out his candles. I thought ok, this will be fine...the little girl understands... Wrong. Come present time, she was tearing in them, so that was the last straw, I stopped everyone in the tracks and told them to back up and move because I was gonna stand there with him to help him. I wanted to tell everyone to go home but I knew that would hurt my son, so I stopped myself.
I am always getting grief over how I handle things, and how my parenting style isn't like mosts, and yes, I know I am strict, and I know I can be mean and harsh at times, but my children know right from wrong, and that's where I know I am doing the right thing. They have respect for others.
How do you like it when you take your children to a play date and things are going fine, and then your child sees something laying to the side, and picks it up and other child as a fit over it and goes and tells their mom, your child took the toy. That mother tells you, you go and make your child give the toy back. Everything is fine again for a while, until the other child takes a toy from your child and they come and tell you and you tell the other parent... the that parent says. Payback sucks and laughs it off, and doesn't do anything about it.
@stacyv81 (5903)
• United States
25 Feb 09
I am blunt, also, I just nicely tell the kid to stop. I mean, I am sorry but I will step in when it comes to my kids, or my house if their parent doesnt say anything. I am not disciplining him, I am simply stating the obvious.
Expecially when it comes to birthdays, with three kids, they NEED that special day, you know, and when other kids ruin it for them becase their parents are lacking it really makes me mad, and sad for the children, because letting them get away with too much when they are younger will set them up for a hard road ahead in life.
I have had troubles with kids and the toy taking, and parents who are nonchalant about it. I have had parents say let them fight it out....Um..no I am their mother, and responsible for their safety and protection, and I will handle it if it comes down to that.
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@Jae2619 (1483)
• United States
25 Feb 09
I am the same, when it comes to my kids, don't mess with them. You can make me mad, you can do that crap to me, but don't mess with my kids, and if they do, they will hear about it.
My two already have to share their parties for the time being. My son's birthday is August 12th, and my little girl was born 5 years later on August 11th. So it's for them, not everyone else to get all up in the blowing out the candles, open their gifts, and ruining their party. But there are many out there that will do it because there parents just don't care.
The whole toy deal was brought up not to long ago with my son. It made me steaming because I did the right thing, even after my child said no, this other little boy wasn't playing with it, he just wanted it. And the other parent was throwing a fit becuase her son was crying, but when reversed she seen nothing wrong with it. It was taken care of though, after I made a deal of it.
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@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
26 Feb 09
I know the feeling. You at least handled it with tact, even though it was annoying. I know it's difficult because it's not like you can't not invite him to her party as it's family. I'm not sure if there is a good solution if parents are not willing to admit their child isn't behaving properly. They could have at least intervened and removed him from the temptation. I'm sorry your daughter had that occur though. Namaste-Anora
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@csutherland (36)
• Canada
26 Feb 09
I totally agree with you!
Even if he still keeps try, his parents should be telling him no and why, and if necessary, hold him in their lap so he doesn't get into them.
This is YOUR child's party, and those are HER gifts. They need to get things under control because by letting him get into her stuff and not teaching him, they are disrespecting you, your daughter, and your home.
I would have been upset too, especially since your daughter behaved at their child's party.
If the same thing happened in the reverse, they'd probably be upset too!
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@stacyv81 (5903)
• United States
26 Feb 09
I know, I mean my daughters party was at the park, HIS party was at my daughters house...lol...my son and my two daughters were excited to watch him open his presents! It could also be that he is an only child, so he used to everything being for him, as opposed to my three who understand it isnt always about them all the time, and are excited for each other. =) MAybe?
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@mansha (6298)
• India
25 Feb 09
I have a neighbour whodse kid was a terror compared to your nephew. Hitting playing with sticks and breaking things were his speciality but Bingo! in moved a new neighbour and she made friends with that lady and very simply told her on her face that control your child now otherwise people will teach him a few lessons very soon. Her point was you stop him or we will stop him in our own way. She is too blunt when comes to saying the truth and that lady realised her mistake and is now very careful with her child an child has mellowed down a bit after that. Infact poor thing is scared of her new neighbour and really makes and effort to control her kid. This lady has taught me to say the unpleasent truth too and get iot out of the way so that real bond can be formed.
@stacyv81 (5903)
• United States
25 Feb 09
She is right. My nephew is the same way as you described but he is only two! I dont think she is too blunt...Sometimes things need to be said, With my nephew, they came over and my kids were sleeping (night time) and me and my guy were on the front porch with a couple of friends and she wsnted to go out, but her son kept crying for her, because he was tired and not at home. She was getting mad about it, that she couldnt hang out, and my guy said, "Its your fault you had him, you need to deal with him"
I thought wow! but it was true and every once in a while people need to hear things like that ya know?
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@faith210 (11224)
• Philippines
26 Feb 09
Hi stacy! As you probably knew already that I have no children of my own nevertheless I have seen such behavior on some children when I attend birthday parties of my nieces and nephews. I usually am the party planner for the my beloved "kids". LOL! And I have seen one or two children who will be opening the presents of the birthday boy/girl. I usually tell the child not to open the presents since it was not hers/his and there were times that the child will run to his/her mom and will tell a different story that I got angry at him/her for just looking at the gifts. Oh my! I approached their moms and explain what happen. This irritates me most of the time.
take care and have a great day!
lovelots..faith
@di1159 (1580)
• United States
25 Feb 09
I'd be bothered too, and it's this kind of parenting that lets a kid grow up and turn into an irresponsible, careless person who is only out for themselves. That happened to me once, so from then on, every time they had a birthday, I would gather the gifts and put them away so they could open in peace when everyone was gone, I had to do that in order to keep the peace in the family. Good luck!
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@kezabelle (2974)
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25 Feb 09
Im quite relaxed about it but i dont make excuses for my childrens behaviour ok they might play up cos they are tired or too little too understand BUT that doesnt mean I can sit back and allow them to just do what they like because they are only little thats just not on.
Some parents dont give a damn unfortunatly!
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@stacyv81 (5903)
• United States
25 Feb 09
Yea, I think being relaxed about it is one thing, but simply not caring, or making an excuse so that she doesnt have to take care of the issue is another ya know?
It might be different if this was the first time she had done something like this, but at every family function, someone always has to say something to this little boy because she never does!
And of course my kids wonder why he is allowed to things they arent,
Its enough to drive you crazy! LOL! =)
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@jbosari (155)
• United States
25 Feb 09
In my house, I make it clear that my rules apply. I would have told her, "yes, I know he doesn't understand, but he cannot do that." If it upsets her, she will be less likely to let him sit so close next time and cause trouble!