arguments.
By koalapenguin
@koalapenguin (2707)
Philippines
September 18, 2009 9:40am CST
Can you start one without pressing the -/! button?
I believe that this place lacks arguments. Because they or we are afraid to make someone angry as it may affect our reputation. But, is it possible to have a healthy argument? The one where no one will get mad and report someone. How's that for a challenge?
*I hope this discussion won't get reported like the last time, but if it is violating any guidelines, i like to have some enlightenment.*
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12 responses
@calai618 (1773)
• Philippines
18 Sep 09
Ye I noticed that as well. I think despite MyLot encouraging members to open healthy debates/ discussions, people are still reluctant because they think that their ratings will be affected if they offend or contradict someone. For me, since MyLot is paying us to create tis wonderful community, I think it is our duty to be the most onest person as we can be or MyLot will turn into a boring and unrealistic community. Tough it is ideal for people to live harmoniously since we are in the same universe, but in reality that's just not the case. People have different views and opinions and we are free to share and express them so people will learn from each and everyone of us. Like what MyLot proposes, I personally dont give negative ratings to those people who contradicts what I believe in but even rate them positively especially when they contribute some good points. I think as long as people are not dictating others on what to do or disrespecting others, it's okay to have debates.
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@koalapenguin (2707)
• Philippines
19 Sep 09
Hello calai.
It's the first time i have seen you here. Why don't you upload an avatar that will best fit you? In that way, i will see you and even remember you easily. I have understood your point. That's very true! You have explained my discussion very well and i am happy that you are not rating some people - even though they oppose to your opinion.
It's all about disrespect i guess. And people who are disrespectful deserves to have a - rating.
@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
18 Sep 09
What do you want to argue about?
Such a long time since I had an argument I might be out of practice
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@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
18 Sep 09
I can't argue with that as it is your choice
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@cloudwatcher (6861)
• Australia
18 Sep 09
There are differences between a discussion, a debate and an argument, but there is no reason why they cannot be conducted in a courteous and respectful manner.
I landed on myLot three years ago by accident. While searching for information, I was ushered to a discussion here which expressed a thought completely opposite to what is very important to me. I joined myLot so I could reply.
That discussion was very, very long and there were also several others on the same subject. While completely opposite in thinking, those discussions were conducted with the utmost respect for the others' views. We became firm friends. There were never any harsh words, either by the two of us or by others who joined in. I left myLot after a year and have recently returned.
If/when I encounter an abusive commenter or one who argues by "putting down" another viewpoint without substantiating their own, I withdraw. It is useless to try to discuss something intelligently with an immature person.
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@cloudwatcher (6861)
• Australia
19 Sep 09
I have found quite a number of firm friends here - ones I would dearly love to meet, but oceans separate us. I am sure you will do the same.
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@koalapenguin (2707)
• Philippines
20 Sep 09
It would be a pleasure to meet friends here. But it is kind of impossible to meet them in person. I guess having friendship online is possible and staying here and keeping up with them is the least we could do.
@koalapenguin (2707)
• Philippines
19 Sep 09
Hello cloudwatcher.
First of all, let me welcome you once again for logging on to your account and decided to take a minute by responding to my discussion. I am glad that you have responded here and shared your views. I have had a respectful argument and i think it's possible if both parties are mature. Though we can't really choose the people whom we can converse to. There will be jerks, there will be persons who will act the other way around. So we don't have any option. But like what you have said, we can always get out of that discussion and start or respond to another discussion. Lastly, I am very happy that you have become friends with that person and you have a firm relationship. Now it makes me want to strive more and look for a nice strong friendship here. Thank you very much!
@aseretdd (13730)
• Philippines
23 Sep 09
Well, i used to agrue a lot with one member here... spoiledbrat802... and those arguements were quite healthy... he has his own opinions and i had mine... others who would read the thread would think that we are fighting and that someone is already fuming mad... but that is not the case... everything was for the sake of good clean fun...
But i don't know what happened to spoiledbrat802... he suddenly disappeared from mylot... and i think his account got cancelled... i guess others were not able to take his tactless way or venting out his opinions...
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@koalapenguin (2707)
• Philippines
23 Sep 09
Hello aseret.
Oh dear, is he gone? I have also had my healthy arguments with him on his last post about the ships of the Philippines. Naturally, it came out that we have different view on the topic. So there, we argued a lot but what makes me proud of this guy is that he does not lose his cool. After some of the arguments, i added him as one of my friends and i am glad he accepted it. I just hope he will come back.. as he is the king of healthy arguments.
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@koalapenguin (2707)
• Philippines
24 Sep 09
I really hope he would. He has lots of wisdom in his words.
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@voldrox (7191)
• India
19 Sep 09
hi koalapenguin....
well i don't even remember the last time i rated anyone a '-' coz i don't like to do that unless it is really required for me to so... well yes my friend we can have healthy discussions without having to start a brawl over things... i think we only get into conflicts when the person is aggressive and tries to prove that their point is right not thinking if that is really the right point, they just stick to their point and so they start the conflict i guess... well i don't like to get into conflicts though, it is better to stay away from them and their discussions, when i first joined this site i loved to answer as many questions as i could but now i have realized what is good for me... i have started responding to selective discussions and some of my friend's discussions . . . . well it is really nice here participating and having a nice time... i will see more of you... hope you are having a great time here, keep going dear.... have a nice day!
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@voldrox (7191)
• India
21 Sep 09
hi dear . . . well it is nice to see you are staying here... well to be honest with you i actually care about my reputation, but that doesn't mean i don't give my honest opinions, i mean i only respond to select discussions and fill in everything i have to say... i also disagree at times but do it in lyt manner just avoiding having to get into a brawl, what ever happens i am not the one who starts the brawl coz i don't like to.. well i know it might sound like i am actually too much self consious about my reputation but well i at least give a say to things i want to and only disagree at places where i think it was necessary to say that the person is thinking wrong... well koalapenguin.. hope you have a nice stay here at mylot... keep up the good work my friend and i am sure you are going to enjoy ... have a nice day!
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@koalapenguin (2707)
• Philippines
21 Sep 09
It's not bad to take care of your reputation at all voldrox. At least you still have been giving honest opinions to others and that is what's important.
I don't want to start quarreling someone too as it seems so rude. So i am also avoiding those kind of discussions *the one you are talking about*.
I think i am going to stay here for a long long time! It's all because of you guys!Thank you very much and keep posting.
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@koalapenguin (2707)
• Philippines
19 Sep 09
Hello voldrox.
I have stayed here because of you guys! Thank you so much for convincing me to stay. Now my next goal would be achieving my second payout.
I get the answer for my question now. Arguments could either make or break our relationship here. If opinions are understood, then we could create a good healthy argument. But if someone, doesn't know how to do that, then it might create violence. RESPECT and BEING RESPECTED are the things we need to have to grow and learn.
I am afraid you have a hard time to barge into an argument. Are you afraid that your reputation might get decreased? Well i hope you could understand that the site is not all about reputation. Like what mysd have said, reputation is just a tag. Its all about fun and funds!
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@Xzcess (174)
• India
18 Sep 09
Oh I know for sure I do not ever once cared about getting someone angry, I am usually too preoccupied with making my point clear to think about reactions of other people.
But yes, I have seen people shying away from rejecting an opinion or questioning an idea simply because they think it will lead to arguments. I think it is rather sad. Fear of arguments getting in the way in such a way that we end up not getting a good debate, Ironic, isn't it ?
I will not mind an 'argument' where no one yells or gets mad or reports. Honestly. Hey, maybe that in itself is something worth arguing about, eh? :P
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@koalapenguin (2707)
• Philippines
19 Sep 09
Hello xzess.
I am not sure about your proposal. You could clear it to me once more. I get the answer for this and it's not about creating an argument. But it's more of RESPECT and BEING RESPECTED. If these two thing are being exercised, then definitely, opinions will be accepted and openly discussed without getting mad, no yelling or reports.
@Xzcess (174)
• India
20 Sep 09
I did not exactly had a proposal, per se. I was just commenting upon things as i observed them. From where I see, it is quite evident many people get 'angry' or 'upset' over a simple difference in opinion or difference in a point of view, and in this 'angry state' they are more likely than otherwise to hit the -/! buttons on a response. Which is somehow making people to not respond in the genuine way that we rather have them to express themselves in because of the fear of either getting reported or a negative rating, making people to say things that others want to hear rather than being true and/or creative. (erm, let me know if I am to explain it again. I tend to over analyze things.)
So yes, I do agree with you, it is about respect after all. Respecting differences is maybe something we are yet to learn.
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@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
18 Sep 09
Hi Koal!
I could not find any point to argue. You are such a nice person, it is not understood why do you wish to 'argue' on some points. Arguments does not lead us anywhere and I refrain from entering into arguments.
@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
20 Sep 09
Hello Kaol!
I agree with you that sometimes, arguments help us learn new things. However, I feel that we should enter into healthy arguments, instead of arguing for the sake of it. I disagree with you that you are not nice. You are indeed nice and wonderful and you are very friendly with your friends, however, you love fun and love to tease them..........LOL!
@koalapenguin (2707)
• Philippines
19 Sep 09
Hello dpk.
Thanks for the compliment. I am not that nice you know. Sometimes arguments help us learn something new so i am very happy if i entered one. I notice that a lot of members don't have the courage to disagree in one topic cause their reputation might get decreased. But i am not afraid of that anymore and i hope you are too.
@mrakobesie (1246)
• United States
18 Sep 09
I love healthy arguments, and i usually don't hit - unless people get radiculous and turn healthy argument into stupidity... I can't say the same about those i argue with, my rating went from 10 to 9 after a few of such arguments lol. Not that i care that much, i'm here for fun and comunication, ratings and money is just an extra bonus that i wouldn't even take if i didn't enjoy those great conversations.
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@malamar (779)
• Canada
18 Sep 09
Yikes! I don't understand the rating system, but how could you lose points for expressing your opinion? Just because we differ in our opinions doesn't mean that we are fighting or being rude, or anything like that.
Isn't that the point of a discussion forum - to express your point of view and allow others to express theirs? I don't have to be right to be happy, but I have to be able to say my piece, at least.
Imagine how boring life would be without access to different point of views and discussion?
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@koalapenguin (2707)
• Philippines
19 Sep 09
@mrakobesie: I have felt that too after my discussion got deleted last time. The first time i joined here, i was worried that my reputation would go down or i was afraid to really be myself cause of the danger i could get when i displease someone here. But now, i think i am much more mature, and i would handle the situation a lot more clever than i used to. Back then, it made me want to quit the site but then some friends made me think the other way around. Thus i decided to stay and make more discussions.
@malamar: We can freely express ourselves here BUT with a limit. Yes it's unfair, because we have to please everybody. Though it's impossible, it's up to you what act are you going to make. You can be passive or you can be active. Passive in a way that you will agree to everyone's opinion or active, wherein you will fight for your rights and stand up for it. But you have to be prepared for the consequences. I have said that it's impossible to please anyone and we cannot control their decision. So we could be rated as -/!/+. It's all up to the others. And that's where friends will enter and do their job. To stay and believe in everything you do.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
18 Sep 09
hi koalapenguin yes mylot seems to think we can argue and'not diss eachother, why make each other angry, just voice our opinions and say this is my opinion only, why make a fight out of it? theres enough strife in the real world so dont add to it. we can have arguements but we must respect each others opinions, I have a right to be a democrat for example,while you have a right to be a republican, but I dont bawl you out or try to change your rights, so you should also give me the same respect.
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@koalapenguin (2707)
• Philippines
19 Sep 09
Hi hatley!
Yes i have understood. And i think i know the answer and lesson for this discussion. It's all about RESPECT and being RESPECTED. If this thing is done, then there would be no arguments at all. I really learned with my post. Mylot is very effective to me.
@Iriene88 (5343)
• Malaysia
18 Sep 09
Dear koalapenguin,
I hope this so called 'healthy' argument is acceptable.
After all, sharing one views did not necessary means one
is wrong or right. I did remember when I attend the
consumer survey...which is known as focus group. It will
have about 8-10 candidates from different walk of life to
come together to discuss a topic. The facilitator will first
make clear of this point :~
[b]There is no right or wrong answer. Everybody have a right
to view their thoughts. The end result is to know what
their views because everybody have different backgrounds and
experiences.[/b].
As the saying goes : one man's poison could be another man's food!
Cheers and have a great weekend!
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@kevchua (1004)
• Malaysia
18 Sep 09
The problem is that there are people who WANT to be right and believe that everyone MUST agree with them. Those who oppose will be labelled "bad" and would be given a negative comment or feedback or affected in some other negative ways.
In a discussion, everyone has to make an argument with supporting details to support what they have argued; then others would exchange their own points of views without any prejudice. It's not happening in some discussions.
I guess, we can't change these people.
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@Iriene88 (5343)
• Malaysia
18 Sep 09
Dear kev,
It is so true..we can't change people.
I do experience a rough week here at
myLot. So, I decided to stay away from
argument topics. Let those who are skilled
and have the knowledge to win the battle...
Cheers and have a great weekend!
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@koalapenguin (2707)
• Philippines
19 Sep 09
@ Iriene: I get your point. But as what have kev said, we cannot change those people. So it's kind of a challenge to not rate any opposing member as -/! them. So my point is, is this buttons necessary? If we could freely express ourselves, then there should not be any of these tabs.
@kevchua: Hello kev! Nice statement. That's the thing i wanted to say. You have explained it very well. Now it made me think that there would be no -/!/+ tabs anymore. But it will be very impossible. Cause the reputation will all be ruined. So i guess i will keep this thought to myself. Thanks for sharing your clever views. I always find your responses very smart and straight to the point. You should try to become a writer or an editor. :D
@LetranKnight25 (33121)
• Philippines
18 Sep 09
I never press the negative rating unless it's completely uncalled for. i used to love arguments but i end up loosing and feeling like a jerk. so, when ever i see some conflicting topics, i just avoid them now and then. not worth my cent really, just here to have fun posting..
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@koalapenguin (2707)
• Philippines
19 Sep 09
So you got discouraged by your past experience then? I hope you won't and start to be active with arguments again! Even if it would cost our reputation. Besides, it's not all about the reputation but the joy you gain and lessons you learn from your friends. I am very pleased i stayed. Because i learned a new lesson again.
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@LetranKnight25 (33121)
• Philippines
20 Sep 09
fighting in mylot with other user i realized it's not worth my cent
@koalapenguin (2707)
• Philippines
20 Sep 09
Maybe it's part of your "new leaf" character. I will respect your idea.
@gracefuldove (1668)
• Malaysia
19 Sep 09
I do not. I know a friend who related his story to me. His wife will find fault with him on everything. From the waking hours to the sleeping hours she will be screaming her head off. She could possibly be suffering from menopause. My friend will ignore her and keep out of her way. She will scream and throw tantrums and then after a few 'hot' hours, will slowly cool down. Oftentimes she is quiet when watching the TV.
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@koalapenguin (2707)
• Philippines
19 Sep 09
Well i think that's a different story gracefuldove.
That would be all about marriage and the problems they have been going through. If the guy kept himself quiet, then the yelling and nagging won't stop. If things will be fixed through open communication, then i think there will be a huge chance that the case will get resolved.