Patriotism - is it old fashioned?

Romania
November 29, 2012 12:23pm CST
I hear a lot of people heavily debating this topic. There are some people who talk about their country like an abstract entity that should be simply loved. They may not like the people or the habitudes, but they love the country, the earth, the territory. At the opposite side, others don't define themselves using their nationality, but as citizens of the world. They don't see the point in maintaing this kind of boundaries. How do you relate to your country? You feel patriotism like a duty, or like a natural feeling or refuse to be a patriot? Do you think that in the future this feeling will be just history (or maybe that it will evolve, or stay the same)? I am curious also about what people from small, not so evolved countries said about this. I think it's more natural for an American to have strong feelings about their country, USA being the world super-power.
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@doroffee (4222)
• Hungary
29 Nov 12
I don't really know, but I'm constantly thinking about this. I'm proud of being Hungarian, but acting like I'm superficial, and my country is the best ever in every way and boasting about it... hell no. I hate that kind of uber-patriotism. Some people are so extreme that they wouldn't even leave the borders of the country just because it's not Hungarian, so it must be bad. It's insane... also, hating other nations is just sick for me. I don't like promoting my country, either, especially not with what I'm wearing or posting on Facebook. I'm firstly me, then a human, and then a Hungarian, but I might even put a world-citizen before it.
• Romania
29 Nov 12
I see your point. You don't think cultural differences between countries are big enough to vanish the humanity inside all of us. But still... do you think you have a responsability for your country, like to do something, to change the bad things? And would you feel comfortable to move in another one, to raise your children there without feeling regret that you left your native land? I think this are characteristics of not being bound by patriotism.
@doroffee (4222)
• Hungary
29 Nov 12
I wouldn't feel comfortable with moving to another country for a lifetime, but that's because I fear change, and I like living here, not necessarily because I would feel remorse. But I do not feel I have a mission (like I'm not going to have more than 2 children just because all the politicians are whining about the decreasing population... my life is more important than the country)... but if I could do something to change the country for good, and it doesn't contradict my own principles or my plans, I'm gonna do it... just my own personal interests are always going to have priority for me.
@nani4ajay (108)
• India
30 Nov 12
The real patriotism is loving our motherland, at the same time respecting other countries. May be due to globalization feeling of patriotism reduced. Because people comparing their motherland with well developed countries. We should not forget motherland and respect other counties. Patriotism is not a duty it love to the country like we are loving our mother. Thanks for this discussion.
• Romania
1 Dec 12
Maybe one of the factors that made a country a well developed one was the quality of the people from that country. And another country is poor, because the people are weak, accept manipulation, corruption and don't have any interest to change this. I think the love for the mother can be also questioned if she doesn't care about you at all.
• United States
19 Nov 15
I don't think it's old fashioned at all, I think it's a good thing to be proud of the country you're from, and it's not just about people in the United States either.
@subhojit10 (7375)
• India
29 Nov 12
Thanks a ton for sharing this discussion. Well yes u are absolutely right, no doubt we should be patriotic but our responsibilities towards our country should be more in comparison to the world as a whole. This is because there are still some people who are least bothered about their country forget the world. So we should be patriotic towards our country and should be ready to do all tasks that our country needs us to do and then only we can qualify ourselves to be patriotic for our mother earth. What say?
• Romania
29 Nov 12
I agree with you. And not because I have a special attachment to my country as an abstract construction, but because I think we should care about our civilisation that is best represented in the country. And I mean religion, language, a certain way to deal with life. Being a globalization adept means, in my opinion, being relativistic, and this means haos of the soul. Also I find completely inappropriate the intellectual european tendency for multiculturalist values, that signify in their understandment, to ridicule their own culture (I mostly refer to christianity) and in the same time to try to understand islamist-jihadist terrorism. Is just an example of double measure, that maybe you can't avoid if you are completely detached of patriotic values. But, like you say, you can think about the world when you prove you care about what you, as a person and a group, mean.
• China
30 Nov 12
As for my country,patriotism is very important even our government take it as a first measure to unite our nation. May be there are many controversy among internal but there is one thing is not doubt that all of us love our country very much and we all wish our country can be more and more stronger and our people can be more and more richer. We all will fight for it.
• Romania
30 Nov 12
Unity inside the state is very convenable in order to earn extra power and money. And nationality with it's connected feeling, patriotism, creates all this unity. So, couldn't be patriotism just a manipulation in order to allow the leaders to increase the power? I don't say I agree with what I said. Is just a theory.
@Nxwtypx (58)
• United States
29 Nov 12
Positive patriotism is certainly a good thing, but when it gets stretched into extreme nationalism, few good things come out of it.
• Romania
29 Nov 12
And history gives us enough examples to prove what you said...
@maximax8 (31046)
• United Kingdom
26 Dec 12
A person should like his or her home country and we respectful to the rest of the world. Nobody chooses which country he or she is born in. Some people emigrate to what they feel is a better country. I am British and I live in England. I didn't like being called a Pommy Tourist in Australia. I told them I am the English Traveler. I like some things and dislike some things about my home country. I feel that there are many countries worth visiting as an independently minded traveler. I was a backpacker when I was in my teens and twenties. I think a person needs some patriotism but should be worldly wise.
@Danzylop (1120)
• Philippines
30 Nov 12
I think this an instinct for everyone. Being a patriot has something to do with the feeling that we belong to a certain race and that we should do our best to bring glory to the nation and help in building it. But most of the time, people claim to be patriotic but in their acts they are not. Being a patriot means you are person who obeys the law of the nation. You don't always have to fight and die for your country just to be called a patriot. We can be patriot in our very simple ways too. I think it is more of a duty. Just what politicians do. They sacrifice their time in public service and help their people.
@natliegleb (5175)
• India
30 Nov 12
no i dont think so ,still all the countries value their power ,pride and patriotism in it ,so we need to respect it a lot
30 Nov 12
I like people who love,respect and protect their country.They are good people.They have values.There's nothing wrong about being a patriot.I think people who spit in the face of their ancestors are not worth much and time will show what really matters.
• Greece
30 Nov 12
I am an expatriate and perhaps that makes me a little nostalgic about my homeland. The best kind of patriotism in my view is simply loving the familiar life and ways of the country you belong to. I was patriotic in a proud sort of way as a child, at that time the map of the world was full of red patches indicating the British Empire. But then I moved to a part of it and realised that we had taken more out of the country than we had ever put in. I saw things more realistically after that. No country is perfect, but one country is home. I still feel English, I still love England and many of the English ways but I do not make comparisons between the old country and the adopted one. They are different, that is all and both have lovely people and not so lovely people. 'Patriotism is not enough' as Nurse Cavell said. We need to be open minded towards other people and other cultures, they all have things to admire about them.
@robspeakman (1700)
30 Nov 12
First point I would like to pick you up on... "SMALL, NOT SO EVOLVED COUNTRIES" The size of a country or their level advancemnet does not take away national pride. I am very proud of my country, I am English (BRITISH) and we brought the World the Industrial revolution, printing press, the computer, the internet and the end of slavery to list just a few. I think my country is the best in the World... Am I right it that belief - UNLIKELY. There is nothing wrong with national pride or patriotism, but we have to be aware of the fine line between being Patriotic or Racist. This fine line is exploited by both the right wing and left wing - The right wing justifying their racism under the labal of PATRIOT and the left wing labelling all PATRIOTS as racists
• United States
30 Nov 12
I am happy to have been born an American citizen because in this era, it comes with a lot of benefits. However, I don't take much pride in my country simply because being born here wasn't much of an accomplishment. I interact with people from all over the world every day and consider myself to be more of a global citizen in many ways. I think that nationalism can be good for countries who are emerging and trying to improve their societies, but we have lots to learn from each other's mistakes and successes. As we become more globalized, boundaries should become less important.
30 Nov 12
i love my country and homeland just because my growing up time ,language,learning .etc. all i could remember and speak out is the last and things, people need breaking the old and gaining the new ,different angle of view can bring you nice way to look back, so i hate it turned to be an excuse when politicans use it,then patriotism gets crazy....
@sender621 (14894)
• United States
29 Nov 12
I don't think that patriotism is old fashioned at all. It is something to be adnired and honored. Patriotism is something that is niw shown often enough and it should be.
• India
30 Nov 12
MS Spicymary, Patriotism is one thing that naturally runs in every persons blood.. it is nothing but the territorial sense and herd behaviour seen in animals. Every man and woman is possessive of his/her things, family, house, locality, town, state and country in that order. When an issue comes up between the states of Nebraska and Kansas, people from these two states definitely take their respective sides but when it is USA and Afganisthan, both Nebraska & Kansas people come together. Of course, there will always be some people who are an exception.. but generality is like this.