Meat Treat
By p1kef1sh
@p1kef1sh (45681)
March 7, 2013 12:55pm CST
Today we were told that the amount of processed meat that we eat is taking years off our lifespans. In the western world we eat vast quantities of sausages, bacon and burgers.....especially burgers. Too much fat and salt is killing us. In itself that is not new. But over the past 30 years there has been a total change in the way many people eat. Three fast food meals a day is not unusual; between meal treats of burgers and fries is commonplace, especially for children. Have we gone too far to return to sensible meal panning and balanced diets?
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@urbandekay (18278)
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7 Mar 13
I practice fasting, total abstinence from food for two days a week, sometimes more.
This switches the body into repair mode by reducing the levels of ILGF, research suggests reduction in cardio-vascular, cancer, diabetes, alzheimer's and other problems
Food tastes better when I do eat and I can pig out whilst maintaining a healthy weight, mid point in healthy BMI
Also, I don't eat meat, only fish, vegetables, fruit and fungi
all the best, urban
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@urbandekay (18278)
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7 Mar 13
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/86/1/7.full
http://carcin.oxfordjournals.org/content/23/5/817.abstract
That severe calorie intake lowers ILGF and prevents disease is a long established fact. ADF has also been shown to lower ILGF and has been shown to reduce the incidence of cancer and alzheimer's in rats.
As I understand it there is as yet, insufficient evidence to prove conclusive in humans but nevertheless the evidence is good
all the best, urban
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@ladyeaglefeather (228)
• United States
8 Mar 13
urbandekay,
Thanks for posting the link. Very interesting article. I have never heard of fasting like that before.
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@scorpiobabes (7225)
• United States
7 Mar 13
I've started to get more conscious about what I'm putting into my body. I've pretty much stopped eating fast food; now, it's a rare treat, like it was when I was a kid. I think that the increased incidences of autism, ADD and such are due in large part to the amount of processed crap we feed ourselves and our children.
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@yoyo1198 (3641)
• United States
7 Mar 13
"We" went too far a long time ago with not being sensible and are now reaping the whirlwind. As long as there is an income disparity, people will be eating what they can afford and unfortunately that is the cheap foods that are unhealthy.
I've learned to stay away from the processed foodstuffs. Rarely eat beef products. I stay mainly with seafood & poultry & most of the time, I'm sitting down to just vegetables with a small portion of CHO's.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
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7 Mar 13
A spell in a cardiac unit changed my attitude towards food. I have always enjoyed good food and have not crossed the threshold of a fast food restaurant in years. However, I am very aware that so many people, not just young ones, now regard burgers, pizza and fried as proper food. There's is not a good future!
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@ladyeaglefeather (228)
• United States
8 Mar 13
One thing you can get at good price is vegetables. Vegetables should be the main dish in own meals anyway.
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@wilsongoddard (7291)
• United States
7 Mar 13
People have imbibed this belief that eating healthfully is "expensive" or "difficult." It is said that good food is not "tasty." Supposedly, actually cooking one's meals from scratch is too time-consuming.
That is all, of course, a pack of lies. If eating healthfully were expensive, my boyfriend and I would not be able to do it. If it did not taste good, I would not eat it; I'm a bit of a foodie. And too time-consuming? Please... It often takes me less than half-an-hour to put together a healthy and delicious meal. Or I will toss some stuff together and let it simmer in the crock pot.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
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7 Mar 13
A woman after my own heart. I do not believe that good food is expensive but we have been persuaded that it is. Of course we are time poor these days and the temptation of instant convenience foods is compelling to many. Can we reverse it? Do we really want to? I hope so.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
8 Mar 13
hi I have found out that a lot of times frozen veggies and fruits actually contain more vitamins than the so called fresh produce as most fresh produce is not really that fresh. the companies that freeze veggies and fruits pick them when at the peak and flash freeze them immediately so they do not sit around for several days losing vitamin content as most produce does.
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@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
8 Mar 13
In many ways I'm glad I don't have any children as it must be a nightmare to feed them so-called 'healthier' food nowadays.
The problem (I feel) is that many women my Mums age (60s) cannot be bothered cooking, so instead of the daughters learning to cook off their Mums the Mums are becoming more like them..so no-one learns how to cook..and it doesn't help that Cookery had been off the School Curriculum for years. I did do Cookery at school but only for a year, I think it was..but it was better than nothing.
We also get bombarded in the media by tales of woe concerning lots of foods, not just the fatty ones. People are confused by what they can and cannot eat.
In our case we very rarely eat bacon, even though we like it. It wasn't a conscious decision to leave it off the shopping list, we just find it a rip-off for what you get so rarely does it go in the shopping trolley, unless it's on offer. At least with sausages (Morrisons have their own butchers in-store making these things) I can take the skins off to make sausage rolls. They go further that way.
I would say that - even if we carried on eating processed foods - the bill would be about the same, which begs the question.
Why aren't more people doing what I'm doing?
I shall tell you why.
They haven't got the time.
I can honestly say that if I was working full-time like John and getting as tired as John I wouldn't have the time or the inclination to cook.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
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8 Mar 13
I think that time is undoubtedly a major factor, or at least a perception for why convenience foods are so popular. I have seen many examples of food being cooked from fresh taking the same or less time than TV meals etc. My concern is that a whole generation has forgotten how to cook. We are all adept at using the microwave but when it comes to putting a meal together so many people are completely in the dark. That is one reason why programs like the great British bake off are popular. We are in awe of what to our parents generation and certainly are grandparents generation regarded as a standard skill that virtually every housewife had.
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
8 Mar 13
My Dad can't work the microwave. He's been shown how to use it but it doesn't register. Mind you, he may have been better with one of those manual versions rather than buttons but Mum doesn't like them so that's that lol.
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@pumpkinjam (8770)
• United Kingdom
7 Mar 13
Why would anyone want three fast food meals a day? And who would have (or give their children) fries and burgers as snacks? Is it really common? I must admit that we have lived on processed meats this week! That is mainly because I've not been shopping so I keep the odd pack of chicken burgers and fish fingers in the freezer for such times! I think it would be perfectly reasonable to go back to balanced diets. I don't know about meal planning though. I tried that once and I couldn't manage it!
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@pumpkinjam (8770)
• United Kingdom
7 Mar 13
I like dull food. :-) Well I like most things. I like variety. I don't remember having many processed foods when I was younger. Well, I remember bangers and mash and roast dinners. I'm sure we must have had other things occasionally!
One of the problems of today is that most food is expensive! There is also the issue of convenience and having the time to collect/prepare ingredients. Personally I love to make stuff from fresh (I just don't enjoy the washing up afterwards) and we usually sit down for dinner together. Well, the boys and I do. If we had a table, we would sit around it. :-)
I know I'm not alone in saying that it can be difficult to get/keep fresh ingredients. When I was younger, we had a garden in which my dad grew veg so that was an advantage!
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
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7 Mar 13
My generation and your Mum's grew up with meal,planning because they didn't have the choice that we do today. People ate seasonally. Chicken was expensive and pasta was unknown. But we ate as a family. Together at the table. Things were much more predictable then. More solid and reliable but probably dull by today's standards. But our food was fresh and nutritious.
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@scarlet_woman (23463)
• United States
8 Mar 13
it really depends on the person i guess..i myself rarely eat 3 meals a day..just don't..and have cut back severly with more no-meat days..but i can't give up bacon.i like it too much.but i do feel guilty as hell about eating it..
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@scarlet_woman (23463)
• United States
9 Mar 13
cause i'm an animal person.but it smells so good.
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@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
9 Mar 13
@scarlet_woman...You betcha..Bacon is one of the few processed meats that I, TOO cannot give up, despite the nitrosamines, and nitrosalines..just have in moderation!
At least in the processing of bacon...it is not minced, so that they can hide any virtual filler..imaginable in it!
HURRAH...for BACON!
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
7 Mar 13
I feel much better when I make my meals myself at home and avoid processed and frozen foods. I try not to eat too much red meat but nearly all our meat here in the US is bad. The animals we eat are fed hormones and given chemicals in their food to make them grow bigger and faster and we eat that stuff when we eat the meat. The wheat we eat has been genetically modified to the point where it doesn't even resemble wheat on a molecular basis. A piece of bread made with that wheat will spike your blood sugar faster than a candy bar! Our food is poisoned, but fast food is even worse.
I try to eat things without meat most of the time and I think that helps a bit. But everything we eat or drink now contains harmful chemicals and hormones. Even if we were to return to sensible meal planning and balanced diets we'd be doomed.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
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7 Mar 13
We associate meals made by Mom as wholesome, a nostalgic glance back to a time when life was slower and simpler. More wholesome. This fact has not escaped the notice of the processed food manufacturers...All those homespun names that today entry seep into our subconscious via the TV and other media. We start to think that this stuff is the real deal despite its ersatz taste. Sweet, salty and fatty. The new wholesome and entirely deadly!
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@kprofgames (3091)
• United States
8 Mar 13
When first read the "Meat Treat" title wondered what kind of conversation this would be
Anywhos...No, I don't think we are beyond repair at focusing on healthy life styles. There is certainly enough awareness out there but again it's up to the consumer when it comes to check out time. You can bring the information to the customer, but you can't make them buy it.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
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8 Mar 13
That is true but I think that many if not all processed food manufacturers ensure that foods taste a little sweet or salty. That way they get us hooked and shaking the habit is nigh on impossible until health issues intervene. Even then it can be hard to make the change.
@kprofgames (3091)
• United States
8 Mar 13
Any habit is hard to break, look at smoking. When we cut our sodium intake, it took a few months to retrain our taste buds. My children now would much rather have paparika chicken or Basil lemon chicken. We swapped out salts for herbs. I'm to the point now I don't even salt our meats anymore.
Anything we try also takes time for results as well. Perfect example is excersizing. We don't see results the first day, but we will start to notice changes after a few weeks. We just have to stay at it.
Shaking a habit or the norm of what we're used to isn't easy, but we can do it if we want.
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@deazil (4730)
• United States
8 Mar 13
I decided a few years ago to start researching the food I wanted to buy. I eat organic, Trader Joe's is not that expensive a store. In good weather there are a lot of farmer's markets. I live in an area where there are farms all over the place. I don't eat much meat, mostly fish. I take vitamins and supplements (more research) that I think I need. I stay away from doctors and I haven't been sick in years. I started doing all this in my late 50's. It seems that when you're not young anymore you start worrying about your own mortality. I write articles on health and all the unhealthy foods on the market today. It's absolutely horrifying what the major food companies and the FDA are doing to the population. The medical profession, too. They're literally killing everyone. But people have babies every day so there's plenty more where we came from. They aren't worried about a people shortage.
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@deazil (4730)
• United States
9 Mar 13
Of course they do. The organic farmers and whole food sellers don't support them, financially or otherwise. Big food companies pay them big bucks. Anyone who even listens to the FDA is putting their health at risk. And the FDA has inspectors who work out of food manufacturing facilities. That's where their offices are and that's where they go to work everyday. Being friendly with management and other workers they look the other way when health rules are broken. The whole system is deplorable, like everything else these days. Do you know what the latest fiasco is? They are trying to put aspartame in milk and not label it as such. http://www.decodedscience.com/aspartame-unlabeled-in-milk/26673 And people wonder why kids today have all kinds of problems - ADD, ADHD, ODD and a host of others. I try to buy as much local stuff as I can. And I live about 11 minutes away from Monsanto, the big GMO chemical company.
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@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
9 Mar 13
@deazil...I recently just did a post about "Aspartame" and dairy, and the application before the FDA to include Aspartame but NOT label as such!
On researching Aspartame, (aspartic acid)it was totally stalled for approval for human consumption....UNTIL the chemical company was purchased by MONSANTO...and immediately approved! FDA is bought and managed by BIG Chemical that is owned by BIG Oil!
Monkey see..monkey do...and the only reason I raised this Dairy issue..as US STUPID Canadians will follow BiG Brothers lead!
@mariaperalta (19073)
• Mexico
7 Mar 13
I saw that on cnn health. Do you think they mean all meats? I didnt really pay attention to the report today.
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@Jeffery_superman (179)
• China
8 Mar 13
Your concern about tha fast food expanding in our daily means acctually provoke a deep conbsideration about why the fast food industries can take place, even based on our knowledge that these kind of food deprive our health.
Talking about the under-qualified fast food, there is an exposure recently on KFC. The spotlight is the chicken processed in a special way, which definately ruins our health, but hidden and welcomed for a long time. In commonsense, such kind of exploding news may have awaken those addicted fast food takers, but what confused me was that there were still many seats occupied. So what kind of magic of KFC make people risk their health. and HAVE WE GONE TOO FAR TO RETURN TO SENSIBLE MEAL PLANNING AND BALANCED DIETS?
I have considered two factors including convenience and price. I think it is not impossible for the traditional food industry inporting the idea of convenience. I can boldly imagine that the style characterized by different food under the same operation mode may be ok. Of course whether the traditional food industry can adpat to the mode also remains to be explored. As for the price, can the merchants from traditional food industry make profits with lower price but good quality? It is also challenge that we need to be faced.
Though the difficulties are in the way, but there is still a piece of chance, I believe, that will totally change the current situation and lead our food industry on the right path.
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@blackrusty (3519)
• Mexico
7 Mar 13
that is so true what we eat can and will over time cause us harm guess it is time to go on a water diet for me
@blackrusty (3519)
• Mexico
7 Mar 13
well for the longest time I use to old eat dinner but i never ate alot unless i was going out to a all you can eat buffet but i dont do the eating out that much now and i try to eat 2 meals a day but i still make them a large meal
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@peavey (16936)
• United States
8 Mar 13
I don't think we've gone too far, but it takes an concentrated effort to eat right any more. I think it's because fast food and "convenience" food is so common. You have to look for real food in the grocery store and sometimes you can't find it.
We need to work toward getting rid of GMOs and we need to be cautious about eating food that's been raised on chemicals.
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@peavey (16936)
• United States
9 Mar 13
You are fortunate. Most grocery stores have got on the organic bandwagon here, but they offer a very limited array of products. You have to go to a specialty store and then it's pretty expensive.
I get raw milk and buy grass fed beef and that's about it, except for organic vegetables. I'd love to find a butcher who knows where the meat comes from.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
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8 Mar 13
I am very fortunate because here in the UK organic food is easy to come by and all supermarkets sell it alongside the regular produce. I buy my meat and eggs from a farm store where the butcher, who is the farmer's wife can trace every single piece of meat throughout its life.
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
8 Mar 13
I've made a major change in the way I eat over the past five years or so. It doesn't take a lot of intelligence to see the articles and specials on TV about our health; they're everywhere! Anyone who cares at all about their health is making changes. I know that willpower has a lot to do with changing extremely bad habits but there is help everywhere you turn these days. I don't know why more people do not take advantage of it. Maybe they think they have more time or they just don't care about themselves.
All of the fast food chains have begun offering healthy alternatives to all the fatty, grease- and salt-filled foods (although their versions of "healthy" foods are still not nearly as healthy as you can prepare yourself). They all offer at least a couple versions of green salads, apple slices in place of french fries/chips, fish and chicken in place of beef or pork, grilled instead of breaded and fried. These are healthier but still not healthy enough.
It didn't take much curiosity on my part to do the small amount of investigating that I did to find out that these "healthy" alternatives are not as healthy as they try to make them seem.
I cannot understand why people refuse to make themselves breakfast and lunch to take with them if they are in a hurry. It would seem to me that it would take less time, less money and be MUCH healthier to make meals at home and bring them to work with you as opposed to going out to a fast food place, ordering your food, waiting in line, bringing it back to work and eating it, then, of course, having all that packaging to throw away, adding to even more problems.
We, as a society, may just have gone too long and too far to make the necessary changes, although it is always possible. I'd love to see far less obesity in our society. It's so very sad to see a fat mother and father toting a bunch of fat kids along with them, especially when seen in these fast food places. I just want to slap those burgers out of their hands and hand them a salad with fat free dressing. But, I can't do that, naturally, so I have to be content to eat my healthy foods and drinks and know that I'm not the one who has to have all the medications, special equipment and many more trips to the doctors because of weight-related health issues.
@alottodo (3056)
• Australia
8 Mar 13
We grew up in our grandfather's farm in Uruguay South America there was not fast food to be had but that our mother cooked every thing was grown in the farm we even baked our own bread! I was introduced to hot dog at age 9 when visiting the big city and did not like it at all! today I Am 67 and seldom eat take away food I do still stick to the basics and my children are the same also they grew up in a different environment they still go for home made they all know how to cook! my son has his first baby and his wife and him cook home meals for their child.
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@echoforever (5180)
• United States
8 Mar 13
Three fast food meals a day? Wow.
I hardly ever eat fast foods because of where I live. Though I eat a lot of hamburger, does that matter it is not fast food hamburger? I don't know. But I eat hamburger almost every meal because its what is cheap typically. I eat veggies in it or rice, potatoes... there are a variety of ways we prepare the meal. I have a pretty balanced diet compared to 3 meals of complete fast food a day.
I have no ideas about the rest of the world but I at least haven't gone too far to stay away from fast food myself. For them it will be harder with busy lifestyles and just habit. Perhaps the world is too far off to return.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
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8 Mar 13
I do not think that it is necessarily the norm to eat three fast-food meals a day but it certainly happens, particularly amongst younger, single, urban workers. Personally I do not eat at fast food restaurants and cannot recall the last time that I ever did. I do not believe that fast food is necessarily evil in itself, all things in moderation, but I do have issues with the supply chain and animal welfare practices.
@echoforever (5180)
• United States
8 Mar 13
I am not really an activist in anything but I do know the world has gone way too far in their animal consumption. Its pretty sickening. All things in moderation yes but that isn't the case for most.
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@night01watcher (259)
• Italy
8 Mar 13
Its never too late. You know i used to have the same routine. Eating meat filled pizza and zinger meals were a part of my life. So you know what happened I went from 55 kg to 95 kg in a year. Astounding right? And now its been more than two years and my weight is at 88 kg still. Its very difficult to keep away from junk. But now i feel guilty when i eat junk or if i eat something that I haven't cooked or if i eat something whose calorie count i am unaware of. But I didn't start big. I did time to time changes. Like first of all I started drinking 8 cups of water daily. Now If i drink less than 8 my body automatically asks for it. Being filled with water helped me cutting out soda from my life. 3 cans per day went down to 1 can per week which now I take occasionally. After that I started cooking for myself. After that I started taking raw veggies and ate very less meat. After that I introduced my body to the gym. I feel bad now if i miss gym. That's how my lifestyle is now. It took me two years to come to this stage but I made it and I am really happy about it.
You only have to take a start and then you will see that you won't like junk anymore just like you don't like healthy food now.... Good luck
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
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8 Mar 13
I think that you missed the point of this discussion. I am not talking about myself, I managed to lose a considerable amount of weight through changing my dietary habits, but I am talking about the ever increasing amounts of processed meat that is consumed as part of the western diet
@night01watcher (259)
• Italy
11 Mar 13
Well good to know that. Since i didn't know that so i responded like that. As you know the first step is to change yourself first and from there you can spread it on.
Like I changed my habits first now i try to tell my other family members about it. :)And congratulations that you have lost weight, can we hear about that too? May be in another discussion? :) It will be really helpful for me :) thanks again.
@LoKoMoMe (511)
• Belize
8 Mar 13
it is hard to maintain a balanced diets, especially you have a good budget and prefer to buy meats. im a teenager but for me sometimes I get to stay away from meats because there is a time that I eat a bunch of meat and on the next days I feel unexplainable pain on my nape, so I recall what im doing on fast few days and I remember that I eat a bunch of meat on my nephew's birthday. your right it is not recommended to eat more meat on a single day or else.
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