Should waiters get tips?
By Gina
@Gina145 (3949)
Johannesburg, South Africa
August 19, 2015 10:11am CST
My favourite radio station was discussing tipping this morning. It's one of those topics that's always going to divide people.
Apparently some restaurants around here don't pay waiters at all but expect them to work exclusively for tips. Others pay their staff well. The trouble for the customer is that s/he generally won't know whether the waiter is being paid or not, and it's taken for granted that a tip will be given. Somehow it doesn't seem right.
And then there's the added question of how much to tip. 10% seems to be the norm and some restaurants will automatically add that onto the bill when people are dining in groups of six or more. But as the radio presenter remarked, if I order a dish for $40 on one occasion and a dish for $6 on another, the waiter is doing the same amount of work, so why should he earn so much more when I order the more expensive dish?
How do you feel about tipping waiters?
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@TexanTornado (5573)
• United States
19 Aug 15
I always leave a tip for the waiter/waitress. And I leave the tip based on the service in which they provided me. It's usually around 15% - 20%. If the service stunk, the tip percentage drops.
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@TexanTornado (5573)
• United States
19 Aug 15
@Gina145 Well, we have a tendency to only frequent restaurants where we know the service is good. There is one restaurant we visit regularly. Where upon entering the hostess will hug us (she is a nice elderly lady), and we always get the same waiter. Who basically knows my order before I order. Yes, I leave him a good tip, mainly cause I know the money isn't that good.
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@Gina145 (3949)
• Johannesburg, South Africa
19 Aug 15
I always leave a tip too, but it's usually 10%. I don't often come across waiters who give amazing service. Lousy service is far more common, but I don't like to leave too little because those waiters need the money more than I do.
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@Gina145 (3949)
• Johannesburg, South Africa
19 Aug 15
@TexanTornado I've never come across service that good. Maybe one needs to go to really fancy restaurants for that and we never do because we don't like to spend a fortune on a meal. Then again, maybe service in South Africa just isn't as good as it is in other countries.
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@AbbyGreenhill (45494)
• United States
19 Aug 15
If you mean servers (I hvaen't seen a waiter in years!) we do 15 percent. If the food,etc. is amazing, then 20%.
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@Gina145 (3949)
• Johannesburg, South Africa
19 Aug 15
I don't think anyone calls them servers here, but I guess it's the same thing. In South Africa 10% seems to be the norm though I'm sure that some people leave more for good service. But I'm equally sure that some people don't think of the waiters at all and leave less.
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@Gina145 (3949)
• Johannesburg, South Africa
19 Aug 15
@AbbyGreenhill I don't go to those places either.
@AbbyGreenhill (45494)
• United States
19 Aug 15
@Gina145 here they like to be called servers, Many high -end restaurants suggest the amount you should leave. We don't go to those places!
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@GardenGerty (160879)
• United States
19 Aug 15
Here 15 to 20% is the norm. My sister always leaves $5.00. My husband will leave about fifteen percent, often with change to round the bill up to an even number, so maybe it will be fifteen percent plus 78 cents because the bill was $10.22. We do not tip fast food, except for the ones that have car hops.
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@jahernandezrivas (11288)
• United States
19 Aug 15
I always tip the waiter or waitress because I know their job is not easy. I used to be a waitress when I was young and in the past and the job is difficult and even now days I know they do not get paid much at all. They have to put up with rude customers and at the end of the day they feel upset like they did something wrong when they didn't it was just a rude customer. I always tip well when I have the money because I like to see them smile! I remember a few or more years ago me and my daughter went to lunch one day and there was a young black guy working there and the place was sort of empty he was a very nice waiter and. So we discussed how much we were going to tip him when we were done and so we left him a $20 dollar tip and we went outside and looked through the window to see if he was smiling when he found it and guess what. He did. It makes me feeel much better when I can make someones day with a smile like that.
@DanieGirl80587 (2713)
• United States
19 Aug 15
That was so sweet of you. One couple, their bill was like $30.00. I cashed them out and they left me 10 on the card. I smiled and graciously thanked them. Then I went back to the table to clean up and there was another 10 there. I couldn't believe it. Some people can suck and not tip, but then there are others that make up for it.
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@Gina145 (3949)
• Johannesburg, South Africa
19 Aug 15
@jahernandezrivas After reading what you said I can't help feeling everyone should work as a waiter or waitress for a little while, just so that they can understand what it feels like to deal with customers. Although there are some bad waiters, most of them do their job well and sometimes they have to handle customers who are annoyed with mistakes that were made in the kitchen too. When that happens I always try to ensure that the waiter knows it's not them that I'm cross with.
@DanieGirl80587 It's nice to hear a positive experience like that. It should happen more often.
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@granny2015 (432)
• United States
19 Aug 15
i think they should be tipped as they do not make very much otherwise
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@granny2015 (432)
• United States
20 Aug 15
@Gina145 your absolutely right better pay would certainly be better then waitresses could plan their paycheck knowing the set amount they would receive.
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@Gina145 (3949)
• Johannesburg, South Africa
21 Aug 15
@roomfortwo I didn't think of that. Times are tough and many people struggle to get jobs, so I suppose they'd rather work for less than earn nothing at all.
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@roomfortwo (110)
• United States
21 Aug 15
@Gina145 Well there is also the fact that most restaurants hire many waitresses and waiters employed there, and if they paid them more they would not be able to have so many... It is a lose-lose situation for everyone involved I believe, since the customers will still never be told exactly how much their waiter is being paid by their employers.
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
19 Aug 15
There's no question about it here in the States. Waiters earn less than minimum wage - a tiny hourly wage. They need tips to survive. If an establishment pays them more and doesn't expect tipping, they will post that, but it is usually only in fast food restaurants, etc. 15% is considered average and some will tip up to 20%. The idea of a bill coming to more money equalling more work is that it usually means more dishes, more courses, drinks, dessert, etc. But I can see that it doesn't always work that way. Tips are more if someone gives you great service, less if they didn't. But since it's all subjective, some good waiters might get lousy tips at times.
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@Gina145 (3949)
• Johannesburg, South Africa
19 Aug 15
I've never come across a restaurant here that says that tipping isn't necessary. One restaurant owner phoned the radio today and said that his staff are very well paid, but they still get tips. I'm sure that isn't very common though.
You're right that great service should be rewarded, but the problem comes when one gets terrible service. When you know that somebody is being underpaid, it's very difficult not to leave a tip.
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@redvakaurvaki (4216)
• Indonesia
23 Aug 15
I tend to give them tips, especially when I have more money. In my country, waiters are one of job with low salary
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@Gina145 (3949)
• Johannesburg, South Africa
23 Aug 15
@redvakaurvaki It's the same in my country. I really wish restaurants would be forced to pay them better.
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@redvakaurvaki (4216)
• Indonesia
24 Aug 15
It would be good idea, @Gina145 . But in my country I don't see this happening.
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@Gina145 (3949)
• Johannesburg, South Africa
24 Aug 15
@redvakaurvaki I don't think it's ever likely to happen here either
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@Jackalyn (7558)
• Oxford, England
20 Aug 15
I was completely confused by the US system of tipping when I visited some years ago. I found it a nightmare. Here, if you like the service you tip about 10% or more if you want to, but it is not obligatory. I find that easier. I do tip, but not if the service is bad or I am broke.
I was totally shocked when a New York Manicurist stopped in the middle of doing my nails and asked me to tip her BEFORE she put polish on. I mean I see the point but how did I know how well she would do her job? We do not tip them here at all although I do tip hairdressers. I prefer to give the larger tip to the shampoo girl because I was one once myself (first ever job!)
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@Gina145 (3949)
• Johannesburg, South Africa
20 Aug 15
@Jackalyn I've never been to America, so most of my knowledge of their tipping system comes from this discussion. As far as tipping in other businesses is concerned, I don't go to a manicurist and as far back as I can remember I've always gone to hairdressers who are their own bosses, so no tips are required. I did tip the shampoo girl, but I now go to a hairdresser who runs a one man business, so I don't have to worry about that any more.
@DanieGirl80587 (2713)
• United States
19 Aug 15
It can be very stressful not know how much you will make weekly or monthly. But it comes with he job description I suppose.
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@else34 (13515)
• New Delhi, India
20 Aug 15
I don't think they should.Why should we them for the service they give.They are given salary for it by the hotel management.
@gregario888 (1276)
• Aurangabad, India
20 Aug 15
The waiters reactions, are very crisp at times.In a swank restaurant, if you tip a measly amount, the waiter sometimes, doesn't stop from telling you that you have forgotten your change!
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@Gina145 (3949)
• Johannesburg, South Africa
20 Aug 15
@gregario888 That has never happened to me, but I don't got to swank restaurants.
@roomfortwo (110)
• United States
20 Aug 15
Hm... It's a very interesting debate, actually. My sister is a waitress and only makes about $3 an hour, so she very often finds herself depending on tips to get her through the week. I always tip my waiters/waitresses according to my bill, but I see the point you are making about them still doing the same amount of work either way. I have never thought about that before, and it's definitely something I will have to ponder...
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@Gina145 (3949)
• Johannesburg, South Africa
20 Aug 15
@roomfortwo The part about them doing the same amount of work isn't something I'd have thought about either if it hadn't been mentioned on the radio, but that's the way things are done and I can't see it changing. I suppose it's only fair that rich people who buy expensive meals should give bigger tips because they can afford to.
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@roomfortwo (110)
• United States
21 Aug 15
@Gina145 Very true! I guess it is more of a "if you have it, share it" type of tradition that everyone has grown accustomed to
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@OutOfTheBox (2)
• Philippines
20 Aug 15
Here in our country, it's always up to diners whether to leave a tip or not and when we do, it's up to us how much we'll leave on the table.
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@Gina145 (3949)
• Johannesburg, South Africa
20 Aug 15
@OutOfTheBox The decision is left up to us here too, unless we dine in crowds of six or more. When a big group is involved, restaurants like to make sure that the waiter isn't left with a very small tip.
@laylalair (7)
• United States
20 Aug 15
Having been a waitress many years ago I am all for tips and while I usually pay 15 to 18 percent of my bill for my tip there are occasions that I do less or more, depending on the service.
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@Rosekitty (19368)
• San Marcos, Texas
20 Aug 15
I was a waitress for many many years and it is hard work..The restaurants back then paid us 2.00 an hour so we relied on tips and worked for it..sure we got stiffed but it wasn't because of me..i always went above and beyond to help..some people are just cheap and nothing you do can make them change..
When i go to a restaurant i give 15 to 20% tip..if i have a fault with them i go up to them and explain little things that can help them, get better tips.and find out most college kids never received any training..one girl i said..i will give you a 50.00 tip or a 10.00 depends on how great your service is..guess which one she got?
@Rosekitty (19368)
• San Marcos, Texas
20 Aug 15
@Gina145 that was very nice of you to do that..most wouldn't even care!
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@Gina145 (3949)
• Johannesburg, South Africa
20 Aug 15
@Rosekitty I'm sure it's hard work and I doubt I'd be capable of doing it without dropping something, so I wouldn't last very long in that job. The waiters and waitresses who are poorly paid really have my sympathy, but I know some people who don't seem to care about them at all. I once visited a restaurant with someone who made a big fuss about something trivial which wasn't even the waiter's fault, and I felt obliged to speak to the manager afterwards to ensure he knew that the waiter had done nothing wrong.
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@missybear (11391)
• United States
20 Aug 15
I always tip but I base it on the amount of the check and on the waiters personality, if the really nice and friendly I tip a little more than the once that just go through the motions and hate their job but need the money
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@Druscilla034 (379)
• United States
19 Aug 15
I think they should.
But I'm still not sure if I should tip the waiter/waitress when I go and pick up the food? I give them a dollar? Is that too much? Or not enough? Or should they not get anything? Is this too many question marks?
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@Gina145 (3949)
• Johannesburg, South Africa
19 Aug 15
@Druscilla034 I don't give tips at self-service places. I don't think most people do around here, but it may be different where you live.