Do your more depressed friends exercise less?

@TheHorse (220127)
Walnut Creek, California
March 28, 2018 9:26am CST
I know what depression feels like, mostly because it is a stage of grieving, and I've lost a few people I've loved. But I have to admit a I get a bit grumpy/frustrated with friends and relations who are depressed and don't exercise. Even moderate exercise (talking a walk, for example) increases dopamine, endorphin, serotonin and nor-epinephrine levels, all of which can reduce depression. I understand the paradox (well, not a true paradox, but you know what I mean): "Lowered response initiation" (not doing stuff) is one of the symptoms of depression. So depressed people are more likely to say, "Eh, what's the use of taking a walk?" That can lead to something of a downward spiral, since they'll exercise less and become more depressed. I'm writing about this because a friend is going through it right now. I used to hike with her, but these days I can't get her out of the house to hike. She'd rather watch a movie. Have you noticed the "inverse" relationship between exercise and depression? Or, to put it more "happily," have you noticed the positive relationship between exercise and psychological well-being?
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@LadyDuck (472004)
• Switzerland
28 Mar 18
Even ancient Latin knew "mens sana in corpore sano" ("a healthy mind in a healthy body"). Even a short walk helps to feel better. Staying inside is not the right way to recover.
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@TheHorse (220127)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Mar 18
There is much wisdom in many ancient writings!
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@LadyDuck (472004)
• Switzerland
28 Mar 18
@TheHorse I fully agree.
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@TheHorse (220127)
• Walnut Creek, California
29 Mar 18
@LadyDuck Maybe it's no coincidence that Lion King is my favorite kids movie. Ancient Greek playwrights dealt with fate/destiny v. free will. So did Shakespeare. And so now we have Lion King, which is more or less Hamlet with cartoon lions.
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@amadeo (111938)
• United States
28 Mar 18
I get depress but continued moving.You have to.Move,move,
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@amadeo (111938)
• United States
3 Apr 18
@TheHorse there you go.All set
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@TheHorse (220127)
• Walnut Creek, California
3 Apr 18
@amadeo Today, I'm in a decent mood and have gotten some music-related stuff done. Now I'm off to the College to get some stuff copied for my class.
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@TheHorse (220127)
• Walnut Creek, California
3 Apr 18
Exactly. If I have a down day, I eat some chocolate (does lift my mood!) and GET SOMETHING DONE, like dishes or vacuuming or grading a few papers.
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@toniganzon (72517)
• Philippines
29 Mar 18
I don't exercise .I haven't exercise for a year. Does that make me depress?
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@toniganzon (72517)
• Philippines
4 Apr 18
@TheHorse Generally, yes.
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@TheHorse (220127)
• Walnut Creek, California
4 Apr 18
@toniganzon Then couch potato away! Heh. I'd feel blobous and depressed if I didn't exercise.
@TheHorse (220127)
• Walnut Creek, California
3 Apr 18
Not necessarily. Are you pretty happy overall?
@spiderdust (14760)
• San Jose, California
28 Mar 18
I've noticed that with me. I've also noticed that if I get too stressed out, sometimes a good long walk makes a big difference.
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@TheHorse (220127)
• Walnut Creek, California
29 Mar 18
Hiking reduces my stress levels big time. The picture is from our recent hike in the Wildcat Canyon area of Tilden Park.
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@TheHorse (220127)
• Walnut Creek, California
3 Apr 18
@spiderdust WHICH is why I'm such an enthusiast?
@spiderdust (14760)
• San Jose, California
29 Mar 18
@TheHorse I did think when I read this earlier "I'll bet that's why he's such a hiking enthusiast!"
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@aureliah (24316)
• Kenya
28 Mar 18
This is very true. Exercise helps in so many situations
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@TheHorse (220127)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Mar 18
I think it reduces anxiety as well.
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@TheHorse (220127)
• Walnut Creek, California
22 May 18
@aureliah I'm not particularly anxious right now, having had a productive day, but I'm going for a quick cycle anyway.
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@aureliah (24316)
• Kenya
30 Mar 18
@TheHorse yes it does
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@mlgen1037 (29886)
• Manila, Philippines
28 Mar 18
I do get it, my friend. hihi But yes, I do understand the correlation between exercise and depression. The lazier you are, the more depression can get the better of you because all you think about is your depress state and of course that doesnt help. Mediocrity is the better way to put it.
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@TheHorse (220127)
• Walnut Creek, California
3 Apr 18
I strive to avoid mediocrity.
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@mlgen1037 (29886)
• Manila, Philippines
4 Apr 18
@TheHorse you should, my friend. and as of late I am such a mediocre. I have been waiting for the husband to finally go with our plans for the summer. So hopefully this April will be able to implement it haha
@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
28 Mar 18
Yes, I do find that exercising and going out lifts my moods especially when it's sunny.
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
30 Mar 18
@TheHorse That's great! You are an inspiration to all of us!
@TheHorse (220127)
• Walnut Creek, California
30 Mar 18
I even get a bit giddy when I bundle up and cycle in the rain at Inspiration Point.
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@Tina30219 (82056)
• Onaway, Michigan
30 Mar 18
I exercise every Monday Wednesday and Friday. As soon as the weather gets nicer I will be going out and walking as much as possible
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@Tina30219 (82056)
• Onaway, Michigan
30 Mar 18
@TheHorse Yeah me as well I need it.
@TheHorse (220127)
• Walnut Creek, California
30 Mar 18
I'm glad that exercise is part of your routine.
@epiffanie (11326)
• Australia
2 Apr 18
Oh wow! awesome photo! .. Yes, exercise can help reducing anxiety or depression .. I feel less anxious when I exercise ..
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@TheHorse (220127)
• Walnut Creek, California
3 Apr 18
Me too. The photo is actually from the Peace Grove up in Tilden Park.
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@JudyEv (341824)
• Rockingham, Australia
29 Mar 18
I can totally believe this. The less you exercise at such times, the less you want to. And so it all spirals downhill.
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@TheHorse (220127)
• Walnut Creek, California
3 Apr 18
Yep. The spiral is the key. Sometimes a depressed person has to "fake it until they make it."
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@JudyEv (341824)
• Rockingham, Australia
4 Apr 18
There seems to be much more depression around than there used to be. Do you think so? And if so, is it just because people are more open about it? More likely to seek a diagnosis and/or help?
• Japan
16 Apr 18
I have no idea about my friends, but I know when I ride my bike to work every day, I feel better and sleep better. But I'm not "depressed". I think exercise is good for everyone.
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@TheHorse (220127)
• Walnut Creek, California
22 May 18
I'd have to agree with that statement.
@kobesbuddy (78871)
• East Tawas, Michigan
21 May 18
I've had major depression all my life. It comes in waves, like a tornado dropping down inside of me. My psychologist spoke about physical changes, that go on within a person's brain causing a chemical imbalance. All those medical names you mentioned above, play a part in this. My medical doctor instructed me to take this medication, every single day and to EXERCISE as much as possible. He said a brisk walk, will improve my entire outlook on life. Depression never goes away. Instead it's battled, by constant effort on my part.
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@TheHorse (220127)
• Walnut Creek, California
22 May 18
Does the exercise help? I can have moments of existential crisis, but I'm never totally hopeless when I'm cycling.
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@kobesbuddy (78871)
• East Tawas, Michigan
22 May 18
@TheHorse Yes, walking helps alleviate those emotional swings. I cycle during the warm weather and love how it helps release the pressure of anxiety. The panic attacks have been few and far between, with regular exercise. Citalopram is the medication I take, once a day.
@lynnief (1203)
• Australia
29 Mar 18
Exercise definitely makes you feel better, but for someone with true depression it is not as simple as "pulling your sox up" and getting moving. Please encourage your friend to seek professional help.
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@TheHorse (220127)
• Walnut Creek, California
3 Apr 18
Understood. Depressed people have to overcome both "lowered response initiation" (not doing stuff) and "anhedonia" (not enjoying things they used to find pleasurable). Sometimes professional help is necessary. But talk therapy is often intermittent and not of high quality when it comes through ones medical provider.
@lynnief (1203)
• Australia
4 Apr 18
@TheHorse Sadly that's all too true.
@Jessabuma (31700)
• Baguio, Philippines
30 Mar 18
Exercising for me reduces depression .I want to have sexy, fit and healthy body. I love to exercise because it makes me calm and relax.
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@TheHorse (220127)
• Walnut Creek, California
3 Apr 18
Agreed. I feel calm and relaxed both during and after exercise.
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@Jessabuma (31700)
• Baguio, Philippines
3 Apr 18
@TheHorse yes that is correct
• United States
29 Mar 18
yea,quite a few i know aren't motivated to do anything when severely depressed. my mom refuses to bathe even when she's like that..fun fun. the best you can do is suggest things to get them going again,but depending on current mindset it may get ignored.
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@TheHorse (220127)
• Walnut Creek, California
3 Apr 18
Yep, advice is often ignored. And depressed people often aren't interested in YOUR stories, leading to social isolation, increasing their depression. What I do, to the best of my ability, is shut up and listen. But I can only hear so much negative stuff until I tune out.
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@maezee (41988)
• United States
29 Mar 18
I think so too. And eating healthy! It makes me feel good. And also keeps me busy.
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@TheHorse (220127)
• Walnut Creek, California
3 Apr 18
I like eating, period!
@marlina (154131)
• Canada
30 Mar 18
Walking when I can, sure helps me to stay positive.
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@TheHorse (220127)
• Walnut Creek, California
3 Apr 18
Me too.
@DianneN (247186)
• United States
28 Mar 18
Everyone I know seems to excercise, at least those not on myLot. lol
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@TheHorse (220127)
• Walnut Creek, California
3 Apr 18
Right now I'm sipping coffee and exercising only my fingers. But preschool has the week off for Pesach, so all I HAVE to do this week is teach my evening psychology class. I got my car repaired yesterday, and cycled from and to the fix-it place while they were working on it (about 4 miles each way).
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• Northampton, England
28 Mar 18
she may have physical reasons she cant exercise. Its a sh*t that way
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@TheHorse (220127)
• Walnut Creek, California
3 Apr 18
There is a physical reason she can't do the hikes and small mountain climbs we used to do. But she can walk or take short hikes. We're hoping to later this week.
@meganjaxt (190)
29 Mar 18
The importance of exercise can never be over emphasize in relation to depression. However, not too many are really able to step out and try different stuffs. I have a friend who could lock herself for a week or more. So sad even when I offer to take her for a walkout, she still refuses.
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@TheHorse (220127)
• Walnut Creek, California
29 Mar 18
That can be frustrating for the person trying to help.