Malaysian parents need to teach their kids some manners..
By hopefoo
@hopefoo (1145)
Malaysia
February 8, 2007 10:10am CST
I'm not targetting anyone. I'm just saying it as it is. I invited some friends over today for a round of Mahjong and dinner thereafter. There are 4 players to a Mahjong game. Three of us are Chinese and catholic, one of them is a chinese/melanau muslim.
Now because pork was served and my muslim friend couldn't eat one of the dishes, he took one of the other dishes and dumped it all onto his plate. As in, he just took it all and poured everything over his rice. I know. How rude right?
As if that's not enough, after finishing his meal he just said "I'm done" and left. My parents were appalled that I have such friends!
We continued with our game after that, with me all pissed off. Confronted him but he said in exact words "but you have a maid! That's what they're for!" and when we were done with the game, all three just upped and left without even saying bye or thanks to my parents.
Now, I don't know if it's just my friends or Malaysians are generally not taught a little bit of manners but I believe in saying "please" and "thank you" whenever possible and if I were invited to someone's place for dinner, I'd definitely help with the cleaning up. Even if I wasn't required to do the cleaning up, I'd atleast bring my plate to the sink.
Incidentally, maids or cleaners..whatever term you want to coin them, are human beings too and just because you pay them doesn't mean that you own them, right? Our maid does a lot of work including cooking already so it's only fair we help with the washing now and then!
Seriously, I'm seeing more and more of this. Lack of manners like in my nephews and nieces. The parents do not spend enough time with them these days. I've done homestay with Australians, Kiwis and a Brit couple and even though they were kinda obnoxious and loud, they were still extremely polite.
Malaysia = first world infrastructure, third world mentality.
I don't mean to diss my own country or my friends but seriously, it aggravates me.
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24 responses
@greengal (4286)
• United States
8 Feb 07
I can understand what you mean hopefoo, it sure is a bummer when friends let you down in such simple matters. It makes us wonder, were we the only ones taught to be polite and courteous? I also feel that parents should buck up and teach kids their manners, what is the world coming to?! I often worry about the future generation of kids, nowadays itself the kids are out of hand..can't imagine how the ones that come will be!Well sometimes my country people piss me off too, sigh, we can't do anything about it!
@yanjiaren (9031)
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8 Feb 07
i understand where you are coming from pet..i hate bad manners..and it's just not malaysia..believe me..it's like people are allerci to the words please and thankyou..i am with my hubby and i will always say qing and xiexie..and in chinese cos i love the sound..and it makes him laugh when i have this funny look on my face when i say qing?
i keep saying this to my son..it doesn't cost anything to be polite..always please and thankyou..even to our close family members..manners are a jewel..for me it's bad manners that are definately a turn off..
cut down on the chilli though cos i feel you are too spiced up with qong qi lol..
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BREATHE..
@smille (829)
• India
8 Feb 07
i understand ur feelings, bt its hard to believe tht people behave like this, we here in india respect a lot to elders, and also help the host after the party or function, i dont understand how they didnt help u....u r right our servants too are human being and we should not expect too much from them, but here too its the same case with servants,people dont even wanna think about them, they just behave like their masters.
@smartnrich (1067)
• Malaysia
9 Feb 07
Base of your story I think you can't make conclusion that all of malaysian have no manners and unpolitely.It not all about what nationality they are but their education from their parent and the formal one, their knowledge, habit and attitude.I think better you don't mention about nationality, that will make us embarass, my friend. Have a good day.
@andilla (137)
• Sweden
9 Feb 07
Hopefoo, even if I read all the letters of your writing, I can agree with smartnrich. You shouldn't use such a fraze for example: Malaysia = third world mentality. Based on your personal experience with your friends.
Maybe YOU should read your own post and really understand what were you writing...
@filchi (291)
• Netherlands
9 Feb 07
I think anywhere you are in there are always rude people. I guess this group of malaysian friends are just different from other malaysian friend of mine cause they are really nice. So its not the race, but its the way how they are being raise and it is adopted. But there are even lots of chinese too who are rude to their own maid, so i think it depends to the person how they are being thought of good manners. For me, the best, it is nice just nice to hang out with their rudeness.
@hopefoo (1145)
• Malaysia
9 Feb 07
Oh don't I know about that. I read the papers everyday about how a maid got tortured and all that. Generally, people here seem to think that maids are not humans but rather assets. I mean, they bring their maids to a friend's house when there's a party, they lend them over to other friends to clean up their places, some of them got it worst like being beaten or raped and so on. It is inhumane! Why am I targetting this country? Because it's where I live and it's what I see everyday. The whole world may be rude, but as a Malaysia, I feel that the parents here should start by teaching their kids to be courteous, to be empathetic, to be kind.
@filchi (291)
• Netherlands
9 Feb 07
i agree with you...that is why i am saying that its not in general that the whole malaysian people are like that as i have a friend fr there and the family are not rude, and the kid is my daughters classmate in school but she is even polite. I think it is not nice to generalized everyone. There are people who are rude so it is not nice to keep hanging around them, that is all i meant to say.
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@Radicalpatriot (665)
• United States
9 Feb 07
I wouldn't be so hasty to criticize Malaysian kids apart from young people at large. Here in America, and specifically in central California, kids are completely off-the-wall out of control, and it starts in even the young grades. Gangsters roam the streets, recruiting kids. Parents are not at home, ignoring their kids. Illegal immigration is rampant, so central California has become north Mexico. Law enforcement is overwhelmed. Street punks are violent and lethal. Prisons are packed to the rafters and falling apart. Yes, manners are an issue as you point out in Malaysia, but at least kids aren't killing each other for sneakers and cell phones like they are here.
@qouniq (1966)
• Malaysia
10 Mar 07
first of all, kesian kitak ya...ada kawan macam ya...ok i understand how you feel about this matter. All i can say is that i can't be friend to such peoples ever. I always choose my friends more over if i want to bring them back to my place. My father is a strict person, and having such friends will make me shame in front of my family. Anyway, not all peoples are like this, i bet you that they are only a small percent out of all we have here. And as a muslim i wouldn't eat anything at the non muslim house if i know that they are eating pork - sorry but this is what our religion thought. That guy really rude, and i can't imagine that he is eating in your house knowing that you guys serving a pork. Anyway, this is a lesson to us actually so the same thing wouldn't be happen in future, hopefully.
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@rahuldmhatre (736)
• India
9 Feb 07
yes i believe you, we should have manners, and if we are guests at someones house we have to behave ourselves......and saying please and thankyou is regarded as goood manners and pleases everyone...maybe u should talk to ur friends or else do not invte them again
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@nw1911guy (1131)
• United States
9 Feb 07
I don't think this is a nationality thing so much as it is a generational thing. I'm seeing similar stuff with the young people here in the US. There is no regard for others at all. It's insane.
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@manmaxman (850)
• India
22 Mar 07
if u r right than malaysian parents to do this
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@michelledarcy (5220)
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9 Feb 07
I'm not surprised you were annoyed by that behaviour, I would be shocked if my children behaved that way.
However, I don't think its just your country who have less respect these days, it is happening all over the world and I wish I knew why.
perhaps we need more discapline so kids have to behave.
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@Rittings (673)
•
9 Feb 07
My wife is Indonesian, and they have a maid too. But you are right, you pay them for helping out "your" family. The friends that come around should be a little more grateful than that. Plus, your parents no doubt paid for all the food that was served, and a little gratitude isn't much to ask for afterwards.
I don't think it's Malaysians in general that are rude, you are right there, but you do see it a lot. Actually, on the topic of pork etc... we had some muslims come to our house in the UK (when they visited a while back) and we ordered food from the local cantonese restaurant to serve at our home (don't have a maid in the UK and too lazy to cook for so many people! haha). We ordered special fried rice (nasi goreng!! yum yum) and it included loads of different meats. One of which was pork...
However, the muslims amongst our guests (which were 4 of them) all ate this fried rice with pork, and my wife and I were in a terrible dilemna of whether to tell them what they had just eaten. We had previously warned them that the special fried rice would probably have pork... but they obviously didn't hear, or didn't understand... ooops.
We left it at that. But they were very appreciative of our hospitality (bet they would not have been had they known hehe).
Love and light.
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@hopefoo (1145)
• Malaysia
9 Feb 07
I'll bet your wife is one of those super hot indonesian chicks. I had a lot of them that went to college with me. They're fun! Of course, it was college back then haha :)
Oh no! You fed them pork! In the Qoran, you're going to hell! LOL
Seriously, most of my muslim friends here eat pork as most of them are half chinese. I swear, you wouldn't be able to tell that they're muslim. This guy even has a Chinese name, but he's just muslim. But regardless of what religion, what nationality..it's just right to express a little courtesy.
I think maids should be respected. They're doing all the work that I don't want to do..and even if I were forced to, I'd probably do a bad job at it. I'm bad with ironing especially and depend on her a lot for nicely pressed clothes LOL Reminds me, I should go thank her cause she bought my favourite bun for me today when she was doing the daily shopping.
@mohdzul (60)
• Malaysia
9 Feb 07
there is nothing about people religion..but how deep mentality in understanding whatever bible teach them..or me these person think comfortable environment is same with other family so he/she bring all bad/good habit..so no matter who are this person we must tell them what should he/she do..because saying a word is better than write
@resasour (378)
• United States
9 Feb 07
That was terribly rude of them. I do think that kids aren't taught as much at home as they used to be. My son got into trouble for not thanking his babysitter for dinner once.. he did not want to thank her because he did not like what she fixed and she made him eat it anyhow so he was mad at her. Still.. he got in trouble.. I took the time later at home to explain to him that he wasn't thanking her for making him eat yucky food. That he was thanking her for allowing him to eat instead of making him wait until I got there while her family ate.. I explained that he was thanking her for her taking good care of him even though he did not like what she served. To make it easier on him though i also asked her to please not feed him dinner, that I preferred he ate at home with his family.. so he did not have to endure her cooking (I had to agree, the girl could not cook very well at all) but I had to make him understand that just because he did not like the food, did not mean that he had to be rude about it...
He got the message.. and both of my kids have always been polite.
We have had many friends and family members over the years come over and eat, watch movies, hang out etc... and they never help clean up either.. as soon as it is time to clean everybody leaves..
It got so bad that I put a stop to anyone eating at my house for awhile.. and we took to going to their homes to hang out and such...
I always offered to help clean, and was always turned away, but those same folks never helped clean at my home... not even to put their trash in the trash.
My best friend always helped clean... without fail, and I never had to ask her.. as soon as we finished eating, she would get up and start clearing the table..
And 15 minutes later, the dishes are done and we are setting up to play cards, or watch a movie or whatever. I always enjoy her company, and the fact that she is polite and respectful of me both in her home and in mine..
Our kids (hers and mine) were taught to say please and thank you.. but now since our children have grown into young adults, we have noticed that they aren't as polite or as helpful as they were when we ruled their house...
We have to fuss at them like old hens when they come over because they just want to eat, hang out and run... they are not about cleaning at all... though we do not take it personally.. we did until we saw their apartments...lol
We are in the USA too, and there are lots of rude folks around.. young and old... it does get annoying..
@blacktiger63 (85)
• United States
9 Feb 07
That's really sad to hear about that. Sometimes, just talking to them would usually solve that, but I don't know what to do in your situation.
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@aprilten (1966)
• Philippines
9 Feb 07
i feel for you. i too will be pissed off with that kind of behaviour. imagine, having friends like that. and people would say tell me who your friends are and i'll tell youwho you are. the behavior of your friends will reflect on you, too. so, i suggest you change your friends lol. seriously, though, if you can talk to them/him since they're your friends, do it. at least give them some lectures on good manners. and if they take it the right way then you did a good job in helping them. if not, i'd say start looking for new friends.
@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
9 Feb 07
Wow, I thought you were talking about kids, but you were talking about adults, that is awful.
I would give them a book on eitquette and tell that they are welcome to come over for dinner when they can demonstrate that they read it and learned from it.
You may want to consider different friends, I sincerely doubt that they will get the hint.
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@Jleivang (374)
• India
9 Feb 07
That's very rude of them. I'm startled that people can still behave in such a differentiating manner. They should have atleast shown some respect to your parents(elders) by thanking them. Well! it's all in their mentality. It's not about how they have been brought up or so. It's about the courtesy and ofcourse basic sense of humanity.
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@plumfoolery (38)
• United States
9 Feb 07
I wouldnt generalise. The person's country doesnt have anything to do with their rudeness. Its more like the parents.
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