Bush not a liar!

@dickkell (403)
United States
March 8, 2007 11:34pm CST
Please, all you anti America and anti war people, please stop saying Bush lied about going into Iraq. The intelligence used to justify the invasion was believed to be accurate by every major government on Earth. When we found out we had been duped, it was too late. Our informant on the ground was a liar, which we now know, and Sadam allowed the lies to continue to bully his neighbors and hold onto his power. There were mistakes and misinformation, but there was no big lie, at least not from the USA.
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@4ftfingers (1310)
9 Mar 07
Hey dickkell, just before i reply i just wanna say people arn't anti-american i don't think. well i am not anyway, i am anti-bush and you can disslike me for that if you want but that's not to say i don't like america or the people. People are usually anti-war, anti-bush or anti capitalist but you can't confuse that with anti-Americanism, because America covers a huge demographic so it would be wrong to be anti-American, i believe. The problem I have with the war is that it's a complete double standard. Years ago we installed a monarchy in Iran (the shah of Iran), who did what we wanted and traded as we wanted. Iranians didn't like him, about 98% of them, so they revolted and overthrew him which would be their right, that's true democracy. But we in the west didn't like that because then came along someone who wouldnt trade as we liked. Saddam took advantage of that and through sponsorship by the US, Britian and a number of other western countries gained weapons, intelligence and chemical agents to attack Iran. Iran is the worlds second most affected country by weapons of mass destruction, largely thanks to us. So whether Bush lied or not isn't the issue for me, I'm more bothered that we bombed Iraq for the very reasons we were happy to advocate years ago when Iran wasn't doing what we wanted. Yes Saddam is an evil man, but we've known that for years, it didn't bother us when he was an ally.
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@dickkell (403)
• United States
12 Mar 07
You may not be anti-American, but the truth is that a large and growing segment of the world's population is. And I think the anti-bush and anti-war propoganda is a major factor in that. We should not have installed the shah or many of the other dictators that we did, but we did so to control a greater threat. Money is a major key to understanding world events, but power is also a fundamental key. There was money to be made, but more importantly, there was money to be kept out of Communist hands, money that would have provided greater influence. There was oil to be had, oil that would power either the Soviet machine or the American one. Our policies have been imperialist, selfish, and greedy. There can be no doubt about that. But you can't seperate policies from their historical context. People were generally doing what they thought to be in the best interests of tthe United States at the time. We realize after the fact that these policies were ill-concieved or flat out wrong, but hindsight is 20/20. In fifty years, we will be able to judge the legitimacy of the Iraq conflict and the ultimate results of the War on Terror. But we have to fight it today.
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• United States
9 Mar 07
this is one subject we are just going to have to agree to dissagree on the man is an idiot!
• United States
9 Mar 07
I can answer that, he is a rich one...
• United States
12 Mar 07
Contrary to your belief, money doesn't buy everything. The presidency of this nation isn't some under the table kind of scam, my dad is bigger than your dad situation. Save your conspiracies for big foot and the loch ness monster, buffalo.
@addysmum (1225)
• Canada
9 Mar 07
No not every major government in the World if that was the case then the UN would have supported to invasion. Only the US, Britain, and Italy where involved in the invasion. Other nations refused support including Canada saying they wanted more proof first. Turkey a big supporter of the US said they didn't believe the reports. There where lies told then lies to cover those lies and when they couldn't lie anymore they changed their stance and claimed human rights violations and an evil government. Evil government yes and human right violations yes but the lies is what people can't get past and shouldn't get past. People calling for impeachment of Bush should say it all, even the people of his nation think he lied to them.
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
13 Mar 07
Many of the countries that opposed the actions against Iraq were making money from the oil for food program, including some high ranking employees of the UN. Remember France, Russia and Germany all make Billions on the Oil for Food plan and they had paid Sadam money for future oil certificates that could be sold on the world market. With Sadam out the certificates were worthless. Check out history. After WWI the French and British redrew the boarder of the middle east and created new countries so that you could not have another Ottaman Empire. One of the groups they feared were the Kirdish people and they were divided between several countries including Iraq and Turkey. One of Turkeys fears was that the Kurdish people would unite and become a new country threatning part of Turkeish terrority. The Kurdish people are minority populations in several different countries but share some common border. Don't forget that the Spanish, Poragees, Austrailians, Japan, and South Koreans also had troops on the ground in Iraq. The only countries that have the capablity to dispach a large force to any reagion in the world are the US and Britian. Russia and China have large military forces but not the means to move them quickly ot other countries. France does not have an Army large enought to send any force overseas. Look over the past few years and who has been the peace keepers in the world for the UN. When large amounts of troops are needed it is the US and Britian troops being sent with different countries sending a couple of dozen troop by comercial planes or US military planes to the trouble spots. In Somilia when the Blackhawk Helecopter went down and the US needed support from the UN to rescue the troops, who were on a UN requested mission, the Packansan commander could not risk his countries vehicles to go get the troops with out tank support. The UN did not want to offend anyone with a show of froce. American troops could die but the UN would not offend the enemy. The often over looked part of the whole incident was that the US troops were successful in capturing the person the UN wanted and later the UN released him for the promis of returing to the negotiation table.
@dickkell (403)
• United States
12 Mar 07
Americans are dumb. Well, not so much, but Americans like to think that they are really really busy and don't have time to do their own in depth research. So they believe what the news tells them. They take it with a grain of salt, but they generally don't take time to find out more than what the CNN crawl says about the world. The fact that several other nations opposed the war is not suprising. At the outset, we thought it would be a much longer and bloodier conflict than it turned out to be. Turkey probably had better info than we did, being in the region, but also had good reasons to stay on the sidelines of what could easily have become a regional war, spilling over international borders. The UN likewise was averse to the war for political reasons, as well as economic ones. The UN had passed resolution after resolution threatening Iraq with use of force if Sadam refused to comply. When the US couldn't get the world to stand firm on this situation, we went with the coallition we had and did the job. It's very funny that under Clinton the UN expected the US to be the military arm of the UN - to be the world's police. But under Bush, the UN expects the US to drag out negotiations interminably to the detriment of US interests. The UN's agenda is world governance and the dissolution of national sovereignty, and Clinton was willing to play into that agenda while Bush's wars are firmly grounded in US national sovereinty and US national interests. That is why the "world" is so upset about this war.
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@laurabeth (145)
• United States
9 Mar 07
I do think bush is a liar, that does not make me anti-American or anti-war. I am not opposed to the war, I am opposed to the way it began!
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@addysmum (1225)
• Canada
9 Mar 07
I think that it's funny that your anti-American if you speak up against things that are wrong. I am a Canadian that begged my parents to let me live with my cousin and her family so I could get my American citizenship so I could join the USAF. I love America and what it stands for, I love the American military. I have 4 family members in the USAF. I am not anti-American I am not anti-war (if the war is for a good reason) I am, like you opposed to the way the war began, and the lies the Bush administration told to get their way.
@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
10 Mar 07
No, Bush is not a liar. Saddam was. The lies Saddam told were believed not only by our government intelligence people, but also by the UN, and the Allies that joined us in Iraq. The UN had 17 or 18 sanctions against Iraq based on those very same lies, and eventually would have been forced to act. Yet everyone wants to blame Bush and claim he lied. The people that say these things are nothing more than mouthpieces for the liberal agenda. They are beneath contempt, and are fools for thinking that fighting terrorists in Iraq instead of fighting them here is the wrong thing to do. These people who are speaking out against the war are in effect supporting the terrorists, whether they realize it or not. These people need to shut the hell up and let our soldiers finish the job they was sent to do. These people don't know what they are talking about, and any so called documentation that they may have is nothing more than fabrications by anti-war zealots. There is an agenda to undermine America and these people who are always speaking out against us are part of it. We will be there until either the president decides we have done the job, or we elect a candy-a$$ liberal who is more worried about their own agenda instead of America's security and well being. Bush did not lie, but there sure are a lot of liars that say he did.
• United States
9 Mar 07
If only more people would listen.... It doesn't really matter at this point if intelligence was faulty. We're there now, and we need to do the best thing for everyone. Help the fledgling Iraqi government, and reclaim our status as the biggest, toughest dog on the block. America is not a country to run away with its tail between its legs at the first sign of adversity.
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• United States
9 Mar 07
How is it that I knew the President was lying, and others knew the President and his administration were lying and nobody listened to hear us tell you that the President and 'HIS' administration was lying. So we are there now just deal with it? Excuse me? I'll tell you how we deal with it we get out of there ASAP! We prosecute those that brought us this quagmire, especially 'Dichard' Cheeney and his fabricated information. President Bush should resign, and the peace keepers should be allowed to do their jobs. Peace is created by creating a peaceful environment. How many millions are we going to kill? We can fight a war to create the peace by killing a nation of people, are you willing to be part of this holocaust? Can we serve up some genocide for the spreading of our government? The plan sounds all too familiar. Who wants to be party to War crimes?
@kyle930 (763)
• United States
10 Mar 07
There were lies from the us and bush. We were suposed to be fighting a war on terror and we were going to Iraq becaus they had weapons of mass destruction and we were going to take those away from them in order to protect ourselves. Once we were there we learned there were no wmds but instead of leaving we decided to capture sadaam and then to stay in the country and shoot at people. If Bush wasnt ever lying then why even though we know there are no wmds are we still in Iraq?
@MrNiceGuy (4141)
• United States
10 Mar 07
Regime change was always a part of the goal for intervention.... Duh... Saddam had ties to terrorism: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/550kmbzd.asp http://www.cfr.org/publication/9513/ http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,84291,00.html http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/05/sprj.irq.alqaeda.links/ http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,779359,00.html http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/02/11/no-evidence-of-a-saddam-osama/ And here's a few facts about the "missing" WMDs: http://www.nysun.com/article/26514 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/13/AR2005081300530.html http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/03/31/1080544556813.html?from=storyrhs http://www.casi.org.uk/info/scriraq.html http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2003/18513.htm http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:hAm0Dj5426sJ:www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/new/documents/quarterly_reports/s-2004-435.pdf+unmovic+report+netherlands&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/3/13/101911.shtml http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwDJRBOsj78 http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/01/21/bush.blair/index.html http://www.townhall.com/columnists/LarryElder/2006/05/25/who_thought_iraq_had_wmd_most_everybody
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@dickkell (403)
• United States
19 Mar 07
MrNiceGuy, I wish you had posted this as a repsonse instead of a coment. It is the best response and should have been designated as such. Thank you for your work reseaching this and bringing these things to light.
• Philippines
19 Mar 07
I like Bush. Many people are attacking him as an individual, not as the president, but he holds his ground unruffled. As for the lie of the ground informant, I don't think there's not much truth in it. CIA covers wide and far, and it wasn't that hard for them to get any relevant information. This isn't the work of Bush alone.
• Malaysia
19 Mar 07
well , idon t dislike him as a person , but i don t like him as a president, and i think he should go to trial for crime wars along with others when he s out of the office
@agfarm (930)
• United States
9 Mar 07
Love one another....give up on all of the Bi-partisan games ( on both sides of the aisle ) Unite and find a Real-solution to this real-problem
@rdurusan (624)
• Philippines
17 Mar 07
I am a Filipino and i love the American people.But i hate your government when it comes to foreign relations.Your government is always in the favored side while the other country is in the tilted side,meaning on the receiving end.Don't you realize that.In the Iraq issue,the United nations delegates announced that there are no weapons of mass destruction,still Busch proceed to the war.That is a violation of conduct for international law.Chenney is under fire and investigated,how can you say that Busch is not a liar. He always lied to the Americans the first time he is elected through cheating,he lied again the next time he was re-elected or re-cheated the American people.
• United States
9 Mar 07
You are right. God help us if our next president is a liberal. We could end up living in a war zone and then who will the people blame? War is a horrible thing. There are always going to be casualties. People want protection against the terrorists, but they don't want to go to war. You don't have tea and crumpets with terrorists. Their goal is to take over America because we are strong, but remember why they think we are strong. We don't take things lying down.
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• Malaysia
19 Mar 07
it s a lie that has cost us and iraq thousands of lifes and billions of USDs, so it is a big lie , and if it s the informant's fault it s bushs fault , too much for the most reputable inteligence in the world
• United States
9 Mar 07
Yes, go back to sleep, America! Your government is in control! You are free to do as we tell you! Trust us, really! We wouldn't lie!
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• United States
9 Mar 07
Haha...Someone today compared Bush to Hitler during a discussion about the Holocaust in my English class. I was the only one who said it was the most ignorant thing I have ever heard. So many people aren't informed enough to know what Bush is really doing :|
@addysmum (1225)
• Canada
9 Mar 07
Comparing Bush to Hitler is so far off the mark of what has really happened. Bush is nothing like the sick evil that Hitler was. A lier, a manipulator, to trigger happy Bush is all that but evil no. He may very well believe that what he did was fro the best of his nation but his lies have caught up to him and ruined good peoples lives.
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@f3rcho (258)
• Argentina
10 Mar 07
If there was no lie from the USA, then the CIA and all the people that work in there, the army and the government, are incompetents(basicallly). Is that what you're saying? Otherwise, there's no other explanation or reason that can justify that the world's (supposedly) most capable intelligence agency, couldn't find out that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, on time.
@Savvynlady (3684)
• United States
10 Mar 07
I really don't wish to get into an argument with you; I just got on this site and I like it; but let me say this; Who really wanted to go to Iraq? and furthermore, was he(Saddam) the one who instigated 9/11? It is one thing to go to war for a cause, but it's a whole other matter that you send young folks to be maimed or killed; And just so you know what type of an American I am, I am definitely an American; I also SERVED in the military and did some time in Saudi on the first go around. I'm down for war if it's for the right, not for needless stuff.
• Pakistan
10 Mar 07
I think Bush made a fool of all American's he attacked Iraq to earn oil