islam says OK to RaPE

Coffechat, Islam is the first religion that rooted out the ignorance and ordered the humen not to bury their daughters in the fear of malignity. It's not Islam that Muslims commit rapes but it's the media that make all people irrespective of their religion to commit rapes. You are right that Islam needs four people to testify that once has raped a women. It's because Islam has strict punishment for rapists. If it did not have then many females would come to courts that they have been raped and the poor people would be punished for nothing they have done.

Who told u rape is ok in Islam? Can you justify it from the Holy Koran or Hadith? I bet if you prove it, I'll convert to the religion you tell me.

Thanks Laurie, I am sure you are right about most muslims. However, the Koranic Verses uphold violence against women. In Sharia law, a rape victim needs to have 4 Muslim male witnesses to testify before the rapist(s) can be convicted. Anyone who questions these provisions of the Koran are treated as Apostates and retribution is terrible. How will this oppression end?

I am Libyan , I hope I'm not an ignoramus . I leave the judgement in that matter (who among us is the ignoramus) to other users . But please , indulge me . Can you tell me the real reason you hate Islam so much ?

She obviously gets off bad-mouthing Islam for the wrong reasons -it's pathetic .

Thanks Ravenlady for pointing that out. The poster certainly made this post with her anger against Islam.

In the religious address on adultery to about 500 worshippers in Sydney last month, Sheik Hilali said: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat? http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20646437-601,00.html Islam's senior cleric in Australia has this to say about rape. The Koranic Verses have similar things to say about Rape, Wife beating etc. Here are links to is Islam's Messengers on Earth sanctioning wife beating: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nUI3TUdFCk http://www.youtube.com/wa... http://www.youtube.com/wa... http://www.youtube.com/wa... http://www.youtube.com/wa... We have a dear friend from France whose boyfriend is a Muslim and she suffers enormous abuse and humiliation at the hands of her partner's relatives. All because she will not convert.

R6 - I think you should read first before making a comment. Because there seems to be little connection if any to post.

Coffee chat, the above moron I think is trying to say that Islam is a just religion - because the rapist should pay a dowry...as if that could make it alright. How terribly sad that there are people who believe women are like objects to be bought/sold...

Why don't you read the article she posted about a FACTUAL event, then respond. You aren't contributing if you haven't read the article in the link.

And you shogunly know that Islam says ok to rape by making it impossible to prove, and further degrades the victim by punishing the victim. You want to deflect this truth by highlighting rape in non-islamic societies. But this is a pathetic attempt to deflect. So far there has been no material evidence to refute the hypothesis that Islam says OK to rape tacitly. Just a whole lot of hot air!!

thank you very much for your elaboration , it s really logical and clear , and very true somebody in some discusion mentioned that islam was spread up with sword, well in some places yes, most of the other places takin Malaysia as an exemple , islam was introduced by traders, arab traders and yamanis specificly ,ppl here who were then worshipin the sun , the moon and bhuda accepted islam from what they saw from the traders

well it is a jock after all, i have no idea where you get that woman in islam are treated as properties, i know muslim woman, i ve never seen my father or any of his friends and brothers and any man in my familly divorcing his wife or raping a girl ,or even shouting at his wife, my father cries when my mother is sick , and takes leave from work to assist her and so all other maen do you are lying on my face, i don t see my wife as property , i see her as my wife , my women , and my life the mother of my children god's will , and for your referal, what you claim happens in the muslim world does also happen in the christian world for example and all other religions http://markhumphrys.com/christianity.killings.html www.fas.org/irp/world/para/lra.htm themiddleground.blogspot.com/2004/10/in-name-of-god-serial-killers.html enjoy the links

1.All that does not prove Islam says rape is OK . You were lying and slandering and you should admit it . 2. If you presume to know ANYTHING about Libya via the internet ,then you are more naive than I thought . 3. Sadly I was not educated in a Koran school . I studied elementary school in Perth Amboy , New Jersey , USA , then I came back to live here .

No that is not correct . Islam has spread to many countries beyond the original Arabian countries , in the new homes Islamic practices have been mixed with local CAST issues and socio-economic classificaton issues . How can that be true if I am reading the text of the Koran NOW and it says that anyone who even RAPES AN ENEMY should be punished ?

Shogunly you probably missed out this bit in the article, if you actually read through it before this rant. Mukhtar Mai – a woman who was raped 5 years ago in Pakistan is yet to obtain justice. The case of Amina Bibi, a blind 19 year old who was raped. She was then convicted by your Sharia courts under Pakistan’s 1989 Zina Ordinance and sentenced to Hudud punishment of 50 lashes for fornication. She had the disgusting sickness of pregnancy without the benefit of marriage. The rapists went scot free because according to your Sharia law 4 Muslim males must bear testimony to obtain conviction. (sic) The situation in Sudan is summarised below: Not only are these rapes highly traumatic violations, they also have devastating physical and social consequences. Women often do not only suffer physical effects from rape itself, but rape is often effectively used as a form of impregnation, with an aim to genocide or ethnic distortion or propagation. Furthermore, in many communities, women are rejected by their families after rape, being seen as unclean or contaminated. These women must then fend for themselves economically and socially. Some of these women are in fact jailed and fined for "illegal pregnancy," kept prisoner until they can pay the fine. Many women avoid seeking assistance following rape for fear of these consequences.http://www.eldis.org/cf/search/disp/DocDisplay.cfm?Doc=DOC17458&Resource=f1gender In your own despotic and stupid country led by mad Colonel Gaddafi - LIBYA Libya’s zina laws, which criminalize adultery or fornication, can lead to the detention of women and girls in social rehabilitation facilities. These laws, codified in the penal code, discourage rape victims from seeking justice by presenting the threat of prosecution of the victims themselves. Women and girls who attempt to press charges for rape risk being imprisoned for adultery or fornication if they are unable to meet the high threshold of evidence required in rape cases. Judges in Libya also have the authority to propose marriage between the rapist and the victim as a “social remedy” to the crime, further impeding the ability of rape victims to seek justice. Zina laws violate international legal standards guaranteeing individuals the right to have control over matters relating to their sexuality, free from coercion, discrimination, and violence. Most of the women and girls we interviewed were suspected of having committed zina offenses, leading prosecutors to commit them to “social rehabilitation” facilities. http://hrw.org/reports/2006/libya0206/1.htm Go bleat to your mad colonel who finances terrorism and has recently confessed about Libya financing the Lockerbie Pan Am explosion. With your goatherd ancestry and recent jailing for assault, you should go down on your knees and pray for guidance from the pathetic state your Colonel keeps you in. Shogunly – you obviously have not read the news link. And your response is a rant, with very little to do with the topic. Since you had a Koranic education your lapses of logic, inability to read and interpret correctly is understandable. Time spent in Libyan madrasahs have obviously addled any residual thinking capacity that has filtered through goatherd and camel dung cleaner genetics.

Dear Coffechat, first of all I'd like to say since Im not a native English speaker, my English is not as good as yours. I hope you'd use simple English while you reply to my post. Secondly, I've read all your posts and I came to the conclusion that you even did not try a single time to understand what other people explain to you. You just blow your own trumpet. It seems you don't feel like understanding Islam but want to inject into other minds what you think is right and what the other so called Muslim says about Islam. I've already stated in one of your my replies to your post that your are not from the sky that whatever you think or assume will be right. You cited some Muslims that gave a negative picture of Islam. Islam is not what they showed to others. Neither it's the fault of Islam. If somebody misinterprets Islam, it's not the fault of Islam but the fault of those people. Lots of money and efforts are made these days to misinterpret Islam. I'm extremely sorry to say you are doing the same duty at myLot. But one thing is for sure, Islam is a natural religion. Nobody can stop its way up. It'll flourish more and more with passage of time when the people come to know about its true picture. Islam has not been enforced correctly and wholly in Pakistan so you can blame Pakistan's law but you can not blame Islam as it doesn't have anything to do with Pakistan's Law. At the end I'd like to say cool down and be more realistic about the issues. I hope you'll approach with a positive mind to the posts and Islam. We Muslims are told not to call the other religions false because they will call your beloved and true religion false. I therefor would neither say your religion is false nor say your believes are false. May God guide you to the right path.

Janejaa, a male with a female avatar! Islam tacitly allows rape, when Sharia Law requires proof of 4 male muslim witnesses to the penetration. Further as in the case cited and in the case of Safia Bibi in Pakistan, among countless others in different parts of the world where Sharia Law prevails. Will it take the rape and conviction of a sister, mother or any other close family member to convince you people of the inherent evil fostered in Islamic societies?

And are you saying that because a boy raped his mother in Europe it is ok for Islamic societies to convict a rape victim? Your logic has a certain fallacy that is not even apparent to you?

CoffeChat, you welcome all those mylotters openly and acknowledge their posts who agree with your thoughts and views but those who don't agree you and show you the true picture, you just burst on them. Please don't mind it, but one must be broad minded to face the truth. You are human and human is never perfect. To err is human. I ,therefor, say everything that you say is not supposed to be true.

Thank you for the balanced response. It is true what you say about the laws on the statuete books and their enforcement. In countries like Pakistan which are recipients of aid $ they need to at least be pressured to implement their laws. The world needs to be vigilan of humanrights abuses and commit ourselves to the improvement of the human condition.

dear Coffeetea or Coffeechat, islam is a very peacful and teach love to all. Islam teach respects for women. Islam hates from bad action and doings. Islam clearly justify the the humanity. so those who are doing bad. they do not have any religion. please do not blame Islam. you must be aware of what is happening in the world over. we can not blame any religion due someone.

Pakistan practices Sharia Law, where the onus of proving a rape is on the victim. I suggest you read the complete article and we look forward to hearing from you again.

I go with you guys......

Nationalcity, .. I appreciate that you have read the different versions of the Koran and that your position is derived from your readings. You are saying that Islam the religion is being misinterpreded by spiritual heads such as Mullahs, Ayotollah's etc. I agree with you that the clergy is providing a narrow and literal interpretation of Islam from the Koran and the Hadiths. There are many beautiful and great thoughts in the Koran (which I have read in English) and like all things written by several people over periods of time there are inherent contradictions between versions and suras of the Koran. There are many enlightened thinkers within the religion who do challenge and look to reform dogmas and practices. The orthodox people however drown out the voice of reform. The other valid point you make is regarding the followers of Islam

My friend its not Islam which said OK to the rape. But a community (with 100% Muslims in it) said that as per Islam the verdict they delivered is right as per Islamic Law. I do respect Islam, it has noble preachings but not human beings who cal them selves Muslims and get in to these kind of activities. I have gone thru the Noble Qur`an and really liked the preachings of the holy book. But unfortunately it is being misinterpreted as per the convenience of some spiritual heads. Islam is probably the only religion which respected a woman as next to the creator of this universe, but today Muslims are treating a woman like a prisoner. I do not want to fight in a public forum, but if you want to argue on this matter please let me know. I have spent a lot of time in reading different forms of Noble qur`an and feel that it really is noble. But do not agree with present followers who support the brutality in the name of religion

We live in political States. When the State follows a religious set of laws embodied in Islam it is called an Islamic State. In Islamic Jurisprudence, evidentiary requirement to prove rape is "eyewitness testimony of four Muslim males". Several Islamic countries do not admit medical examinations and other forms of forensic evidence in rape cases to prove that rape did indeed occur. Christianity proscribes killing. But I am not aware of any the laws in any democratic country that make it impossible to prove - either circumstantially or with more organic evidence that killing occured. This barbaric legal proceeding is called the Sharia court.

By making it impossible to prove rape in Sharia Law, which is Islamic there is a tacit implication that Islam says ok to rape. Further the victim is convicted because it is impossible to provide 4 muslim male witnesses who saw the penetration. Your mullahs even go to the extent of saying it is the fault of the woman if she gets raped. You would probably benefit from reading the discussions and links provided bere. You want to respond to the question: Can Islamic Socities still Justify Islamic Laws?

Nafeesa_mohd, Please go through the entrie thread once again. No one has accused the coomunity. As I said, it is a personal ego. We all respect Islam. More over you said that we do not know anything. I challenge you, lets talk one to one (Not in a public forum)you would not be able to discuss with me on Noble Qur`an because you only know the version you went thru. I have spent 14 months reading different versions of Noble Qur`an and comparing the different versions of Holy Bible and Noble Qur`an. I have spent a lot of time in trying to understand the religions and have come to a conclusion that every religion is same. From airport you migh have different routes to reach your house but the destination is your house. Same manner there are different religions to understand and reach Him but the destination is Him. NO ONE IS ACCUSING ANY COMMUNITY HERE. If you feel so, you did not understand the thread and simply making a furious comment !!

This is my last comment on this thread and whatsoever the reply, I will not go further on this as I feel it is turning out to be a mud wrestling !!

That article talks about the rape. The Sharia requires 4 Muslim men to testify that they witnessed the rape - particularly penetration. Since that is not possible, the rapist goes scot free. To add insult to injury, the rape victim is then convicted for adultery (if married) or fornication (if single) see http://www.wuml.org

The Question is Can they justify their Islamic Laws that allow the rapists go scot free and punish the victim. I would suggest you go through some of the links provided that underscore the proposition that Islam says OK to RAPE.

I suggest my dear girl before you carry on slandering Islam and suggesting that you know the Quran better than anyone else does, try going to this website.. http://www.submission.org/women/rape.html Salam and may peace be with you always.. and for GOD sake.. throw away all this hatred for one religion and just concentrate on being a good person.. Islam teaches that you should always start with yourself.. Not many Muslim does this but that's where i like to start.. InsyAllah :)

Hitler did not claim he was acting for God, nor was he supported by the Bible or religous leaders of the time. That is the difference that isn't very hard to understand. How can a religious leaders instruction of the "uncovered meat" analogy not have something to do with religion? Especially when Islamic law supports that position anyways? Why does the religion FORCE its women to cover if it didn't think that way?

Sheikh Hilal in a Sydney harangue after muslim men had been convicted by an Australian Court for RAPE made the statement regarding rape that I have referred to in the link above. So if a woman is not wearing a burqa, and she is raped then it is her fault for being the piece of exposed meat! Stonings in Sokoto, Nigeria the convictions in Pakistan, the concentration camps for "fallen" women in Libya where women are treated like chattel is referenced in many comments here. I note your point about every Islamic country in the world being in the throes of some conflict - it is the subject of another discussion. So is Poverty, hunger and economic distribution.

Nationalcity - this is probably the most insightful comment comment I have seen on mylot. It is indeed a very good question. Personally I have no issues with anyone's faith in God in whatever form they chose to worship.

Thank you for the response and you are right in that rape is a horrible perversion that occurs in all societies. I admire your acceptance of the possibility of misinterpretation of the Sharia, Hud and the Koran and its implementation in Islamic countries. No other legal system I am aware of PUNISHES the victim. And if it is indeed through misinterpretation not misintent then the sources should be appropriately amended to reflect justice and fairness.

Simple. We all are normal humans. Though I do not know much about my religion, if some one else talks anything (though its truth, but I do not know whether its truth or not)about my religion the first reaction would be being furious at his comment. Unfortunate, but its a personal ego with every one. I have one un solved question which has not been answered by any religion`s priests; that is, if god created Islam or Christianity or Hinduism, Buddhism or any other religion, then who created the rest ???? no one has answered me yet !!!! They just get angry when they can not answer !

Islam does tacitly allow people to rape by making it impossible to prove rape. It takes 4 Muslim Male eyewitnesses to convict a rapist - or the rapist has to confess to the crime. If the woman is unable to prove rape, she is then charged for fornication or adultery and punished. The victim get the punishement when the rapist goes free! lol. That is why I say that Islam says OK to rape. Do read the thread and look at the links.