Do all republicans have memory loss?

United States
February 4, 2009 6:26pm CST
I have listened to republicans complain for the last three days about the economic stimulas plan, and Obama ideas about our current economic situation. The vast majority of republicans are saying that huge tax cuts, LESS government regulations, and free market principles will get us out of this mess. Have these republicans forgot that this was the same policy that caused this mess? Why don't republicans learn from their past mistakes?
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@grammasnook (1871)
• United States
5 Feb 09
It was neither the republicans or the democrats that got us into this mess it was us as a country. We all over spent and created a mess. It was greed from big companies, it was lies from people that were trusted. Bush did not do this, he is the fall guy. Don't get me wrong I am not republican but I will say he has taken the blame for things that many was a part of. I can stand in the middle and look at both sides to blame Bush is insane. Look around your home and if you can honestly say that everything in your home is bought and paid for without credit then you do not have to take any blame. Other wise if you did not pay cash and owe for the product them you are part of the problem
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@newtondak (3946)
• United States
5 Feb 09
"he needed to spend every dime we had in the bank, and then start borrowing more" Let me refresh your memory regarding some recent actions of now President Obama - first he went back on his word to accept public financing for his campaign in order to accept millions of dollars of private contributions (many of which could not be traced) so he wouldn't have to stay within the spending limits imposed by public financing - once elected, he formed a not-for-profit organization to accept private donations (again, many not traceable) rather than to stick to the spending limit allowed - and if you will recall, his victory party and his inauguration and all the celebrations involved by far topped that of any other President ever elected - all in a time of crisis in the American economy.
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• United States
5 Feb 09
It was everyones fault if Bush told you to jump off the bridge would you have done it ? Bush made some mistakes, but this started when Clinton was in office it is called bad judgement with the support of congress. I am saying it is not just Bush's fault many are to blame for this disaster and we as citizens have to take our part in it as well. The he did she did thing and passing the buck does not work anymore. It is called self responsiblity. If we were all responsible this would not have happened. Did he make bad judgements as a president of course he made many in my eyes, but he never did this by himself. He had the congress that backed him up.
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• United States
5 Feb 09
Gramma, let me take you back eight years ago when we had a budget surplus, and a new president that decided that the social security lock box was a joke, and he needed to spend every dime we had in the bank, and then start borrowing more. This was the same man that attack the PayGo system, because it limited the amount of money he could borrow (now that sure doesn't seam like a good idea). If you look at the Bush policies, than you will logicly blame Bush for the mess we are in, you just need to open your eyes and look at the facts. By the way, YES I do own everything in my house, and I do not have one credit card, or have any credit debt. The only thing I owe is my house, and one of my trucks. But, in defense of all of the people who do owe money, remember it was George W. Bush who told us after 9/11 to go shopping. Are you second guessing your whole Bush as a scape goat yet?
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@lvaldean (1612)
• United States
5 Feb 09
I am going out on a limb here. It was not just the Republicans. It was not just the Democrats. It was not just Bush and his administration. Certainly the past eight years have added to the problem but he was simply icing on the cake. The cherry on the sundae. This problem has been bubbling for a long time. It started with deregulation. It started with the lifting of tariffs and duties. It continued with NAFTA. It has been stirred and baked and frosted by Republicans and Democrats; the the Right and the Left. We all have to own a piece of this. We wanted and wanted and wanted. We bought and bought and bought. We spent and spent and spent. We did this with money we didn't have. The government did the same thing. We, the people, didn't pay attention. We let our government get away with the murder of our economy through murdering our core principles. We allowed them to be bought and paid for by industry and Wall Street. We, the people, are paying the price. Instead of being satisfied with Middle Class principles and saving for the things we want. We demanded more and cheered the billionaire and consumption principles. We are paying the price for greed and the "right now" morality that we have developed in this society. We can't simply point at our government and our elected officials and say, "it is all your fault". It isn't. We put them there, again and again and again. The same people over and over.
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
5 Feb 09
I couldn't have said it better.
• United States
5 Feb 09
Ivaldean, good post, very well said, and very accurate. It just upsets me to hear people offering solutions to our problems when those soluctions are what got us in the mess in the first place.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
5 Feb 09
President Bush has been warning us about the pending economic problems but no one would listen. http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&NR=1 Every time tax cuts have been implemented they work. When the government goes on a spending spree or tries to use the economy for social engineering the economy takes a hit and we all suffer. The Free Market works and will correct itself quicker than government aid. Will people suffer yes but the some will prosper. The companies that are meeting the customers demands will survive and those that can not produce what the customer wants will go out of business.
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
10 Feb 09
When President Bush proposed new oversight it was Rep Barney Frank who told the American People that Freddie and Fanny were good sound investment and the people were worth the millions in bonus they were paid. He even told the auditor who investigated the two government companies the auditor was wrong. Later the head of Fanny Mae was charged with cooking the books to get a bonus. President Bush can not order changes, he has to request Congress to make the change. Congress did not pass his changes. Senator McCain made a similar request and was voted down. President Bush tried but he is not a dictator who can order it done and it will be done.
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• United States
5 Feb 09
Bob, I agree that Bush was warning us of this in 2005, but so where alot of people. The difference is that he did nothing to stop it (I know you are surprised to see Bush see something coming and do nothing to stop it), and that is worse than saying anything at all. Are you saying that the American people shouldn't have bailed out wall street? So you are saying that Bush was WRONG? If you are correct then why hasn't the market corrected itself yet? And why is it that everytime republicans have tried trickle down economics, it has ended in huge deficits, the rich getting richer, and everyone else losing ground, and SOCIALISM? I agree that economic darwinism is a natural progression, but George W. Bush didn't agree with us, and now we are stuck.
• Canada
5 Feb 09
The system in place now only works if the economy grows. It is based on perpetual growth and comes crashing down when the economy slows to a degree that we are seeing now. I agree with thegreatdebater that it's worse if someone says that there's something wrong and does nothing about it when they are in a position to actually do something. It actually reminds me of a man who was reading to school children during 911 or when little was done to help New Orleans before, during and after Katrina...
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• United States
5 Feb 09
Yes they do have memory loss. and no they will never learn because they are not the ones losing their homes living in cars with their children. They are not losing their jobs because the company they work for has went bankrupt. They are sleepwalking and sleeptalking and making decision for this country while doing it. Bush slept walk and slept talked for how many years...........
• United States
5 Feb 09
Very good point, I can think of alot of words to describe Bush's years in office, but sleep walking is the least offensive.
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@elmiko (6630)
• United States
10 Feb 09
You should be happy to know that the democrats have most of the control because theirs more of them now. I'm not trying to debate,lol. It seems like when politics gets discussed people get carried away in their own world,lol. Come on now i'm sure some republicans have gotten their house foreclosed after all their not just in politics. Hey now you know this stuff. Let me not get carried away in my world,lol.
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@stealthy (8181)
• United States
5 Feb 09
It is not Bush's fault and not just the Republicans. Both parties where in on the deregulation that allowed poor mortgages to be given out, but most of all it was the people who belived the liberal viewpoint that everyone should own a home whether they could afford it or not. How can anyone think that they can afford to buy a $340,000 house at a starting adjustable rate of over 8% that was very quickly going to go up to 13% and nothing down when they are unemployed and trying to go to college. This is just one example that was reported on a nightly news program and this woman wanted help because she was going to get foreclosed on. Just what did she expect to happen? Anyone should have more common since than that and especially someone who has gotten admitted to college. In addition everyone seems to be forgetting about 9/11 and that Bush managed to keep the economy going and growing for a long time after that and inspite of it.
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• United States
5 Feb 09
Stealthy, I agree that both parties are to blame, and deregulation was a big part of it. But, I would disagree that it was the LIBERAL viewpoint about owning a home. It was a greed aspect that puts someone in a $340,000 house that doesn't have a job. The Broker was greedy, the owner of the house was greedy, and the buyer was greedy. Everyone knew this was a bad decision, and no one did anything at all to stop it. I think everyone forgets how well the country was doing when Bush came into office, and how he got rid of everything that worked well, and replaced them with what we have now. He walked into office with a surplus, and walked away with the largest deficit in our nations history, and that is his fault. Even if you take out the cost of the war, we still we be right at record levels. If Bush's economy was growing then what happened? He left office with a net loss in jobs. Bush kept the country safe for terrorist, he just couldn't keep us save from HIM.
@newtondak (3946)
• United States
5 Feb 09
You fail to recall that there was a Democratic majority in Congress for the last two years - a Congress that INCLUDED Barack Obama!
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• United States
5 Feb 09
And you fail to recall that Bush and republicans had full control of the government from 2004 to 2006. And due to McCain's stump speach most Americans know that John McCain and George W. Bush saw the mortgage problem coming and did nothing at all to stop it (even though republicans controlled all branches of government, they did nothing to stop this collapse). But, I am sure you forgot all about that.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
5 Feb 09
Great post! They're like a broken record, for anyone here old enough to know what that sounds like. They tried tax cuts and they didn't work so instead of trying something else they decide we simply need MORE tax cuts for the SAME rich people. Oops, we're in a deeper recession...bet give some more tax cuts...lol! Annie
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
5 Feb 09
FDR tried to spend his way out of a depression and that lasted for over ten years and even a war could not bring us out of it. Now several economists and historians conclude that his actions make the Depression last longer. By doing nothing the housing market is starting to recover and come back.
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• United States
5 Feb 09
I agree Annie, it just makes me so mad to hear these talking heads saying that the last eight years have been great, and if we lower taxes than it will solve everything. I wish someone would tell these guys that a tax cut doesn't help someone who doesn't have money to spend. But, most of these people are the ones that will receive these tax cuts, and they only thing they worry about is their money. Greed is one of the things that got us in this mess, and stupidity is another. Most of these people have that dangerous combination of both.
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• United States
5 Feb 09
How about instead of tax cuts for the rich we have tax cuts for businesses... oh wait that is what republicans want! And how about this... instead of taking their money through taxes and giving it back to them through bail outs we let them keep their money in the first place! Then maybe we wouldn't of had to have a 1 trillion dollar "stimulus"
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
5 Feb 09
Nobody has memory loss. Bush is not president and he has nothing to do with the current house and senate. It wasn't simply the "Bush policy" that got us into this mess, it was poor application of those policies. It's like having a great strategy for winning a football game, but getting distracted and fumbling a strategy that could have won the game. Aside from that the Republicans aren't simply pushing "huge tax cuts, LESS government regulations, and free market principles". Right now what they're pushing is a complete restructuring of a bill that is FILLED with pork that wastes money, doesn't create jobs, and does nothing to stimulate the economy. Do YOU think that a $246 million dollar tax cut for Hollywood producers will stimulate the economy? What about a new dog park? Perhaps you believe that spending millions on teaching people not to smoke will stimulate the economy. Face it, this bill is absolute garbage that was designed to reward the groups that finance the democrats campaigns and does jack for average Americans who need jobs.
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• United States
5 Feb 09
I do think that giving Hollywood producers tax cuts will stimulate the economy, I also hope that it will allow them to make better movies, the recent releases are just plain bad. I don't know about the dog park, but I am sure your best friend will be happy, and well know how it is when your dog is pissed at you! Actually I think that teaching people not to smoke will cost us alot of money, we need those smokers to pay for everything, we actually should teach more how to smoke. There is some bad stuff in this bill (show me one that doesn't have bad stuff, I am sure Bush didn't looked at the Bridge to Nowhere, and say: "This looks like a great idea".), but the country needs something to help the economy, even if it is only for a short time, it can make the difference between a short recession, or a possible depression.
@pauld43 (194)
• United States
7 Feb 09
It is really hard to pin down any one thing that got us in the current economic mess. It could have been the sub-prime lending, the push by the democrats to put everybody in a house whether they could afford it or not, the crash of the housing market, people living way above their means, or maybe a combination of all or none of the above; who knows. But this splan that the democrats are pushing was loaded with pork( if they havn't changed it)and doesn't seem like it is going to make a big difference for the amount of the tax payers dollars that they are spending.
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• United States
7 Feb 09
Pauld, Thanks for your response. You are correct that it is probably a mixture of everything you stated. But, my point is that republicans feel that we need to do more of all of the things that got us into this mess, and it will get us out of it. Bush's economic policy has to factor into what started his mess, and republicans feel that it is what saved the country.
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• United States
5 Feb 09
Yep, total memory loss...
• India
5 Feb 09
its about ur country not interested inthese discussion any way happy mylotting
• United States
5 Feb 09
I just want to say that this whole conversation is awesome. This is exactly why our country is so great today. We do not conform to one view or anything like that. We argue, perhaps too much but that is besides the point. We will never all agree on how the country should be run, but we should all be able to agree on a few things. That our country needs this sort of diversity is one thing we should all agree on. And to address the fact that we all argue too much maybe we should focus more on our current president and what he is proposing rather than talk about the past, which we can do nothing about.
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• United States
5 Feb 09
I am so sick of this argument!!! Do you have memory loss? Did the New Deal work? No! Did carter help this country or make it a little worse!! Worse! Was there only one party in Washington in the past 8 years... or even longer than that! Instead of blaming all of this on the republicans how about you actually look at what happened! Which is way more complicated than its his fault and not mine! Are you really saying that tax cuts for buisness would not help them?! Are you saying that the government giving incentives to banks to give lower income people loans(Carter had the idea and Clinton and other people in washington inacted) is deregulatory! If trickle down economics doesn't work than why isn't washington bailing out individuals instead of buisnesses! Come on everyone made this mess and it is going to take all of us to fix it. But instead of pointing fingers why don't we all look at what happened instead of assuming that its all Bush's fault!
• United States
5 Feb 09
Christine, I do not have memory loss, and unlike former president Bush I don't have selective memeory. To answer your questions, The new deal did do some good things, and some bad, so to answer your question, I would say that when all was said and done it did work. Carter didn't help the country, he was a horrible president, but he has done more since leaving office than any other president, and should be thanked for that. There was one party in control of the white house, but both parties held a majority in the house and senate during the last 8 years. I am saying that cutting business taxes won't help the problem, businesses aren't having a problem with internals, they are having problems with people no buying. If people don't buy, then companies don't have a market for their products, why make products if no one is buying them? Obama wants to cut the payroll tax to give all Americans that have a job, a tax break, so yes he doesn't believe in trickle down. I am not assuming this is Bush's fault, I have facts to back it up, and his own words.
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@alharra (507)
• United States
5 Feb 09
Simply put yes Republicans have SEVERE memory loss when things don't go their way. Now if they, the Republicans, make some sort of proposal that actually works they will never forget it but FAILURES are always forgotten and never admitted.
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