Draft Or Slavery...
By twoey68
@twoey68 (13627)
United States
March 28, 2009 10:22am CST
Recently I saw where the new GIVE bill passed the House. Basically it says that anyone 18-25 is mandated to serve 3 months at a type of a boot camp. It’s basically a draft. You don’t get a choice. Your kids don’t get a choice. I saw where several ppl said their kids won’t be doing it b/c they don’t support it, others said it’s simply bringing back slavery.
I’ve also read where some think it’s a good thing to make kids, young adults, adults, seniors…basically everyone do community service. I think community service is great…for ppl that want to do it…not to force ppl to do it. By forcing them to attend the boot camp and/or do community service it does seem to be the same as slavery.
With so many ppl having no choice but to sign up for Welfare, it gives the government the control they need to do something like this. Meaning they can then say “Do what we say or you don’t get your foodstamps, HUD, WIC, Medicaid, etc. “ Some will have to do it just to keep surviving.
I’ve read where ppl during the last draft ran off to Canada or other countries to avoid having to sign up. If your child is mandated to go to the boot camp and you don’t agree with it, will you be sending them off to another country so they don’t have to go? If your forced to perform community service to get your benefits, will you be doing them or going without? Do you agree with this new program or not?
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56 responses
@nova1945 (1612)
• United States
28 Mar 09
Actually I don't really see a problem with the program, especially for that age group. As long as these kids are not forced into military service upon completion. I believe that should still be a choice not a requirement. In some countries it is required (much like it was here during the old draft years) and kids are forced to serve in the military regardless of their personal beliefs. Being handed a weapon and forced to kill another human being should not be crammed down the throats of everyone just because they fit the age bracket. Don't get me wrong; I have all the respect in the world for our soldiers. But the decision to become a soldier and fight for our freedom should be an individual choice not a requirement in my opinion.
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@GardenGerty (160665)
• United States
28 Mar 09
I think we are all on board with the choice. Not all young people would make good soldiers and should not be expected to be.
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@Arkie69 (2156)
• United States
28 Mar 09
You touched on a very important point here. Once a young man has gone through basic combat training they can be called into active military service any time. Once the training is complete and the man is sent home they are basically in the military reserves. The same applies to a person that retires from the military. The least this will do is give the DOD a list of young, trained men they can pick and choose from and press them into full service. There is some things hidden here the average person doesn't know about. One way or the other this will turn into some kind trickery and you can bet on it. There is a reason these people are wanting to do this and if we knew that reason we probably wouldn't sit still for it. Or maybe we would.
Art
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@Arkie69 (2156)
• United States
28 Mar 09
This tells me the DOD is expecting to need a lot of military trained young men real quick in the future. 12 weeks is plenty to get them through basic combat training plus enough time to train them to do a job. The question I pondering is what is the DOD expecting? Once they have gone through this training they can then be drafted into the regular military and be fighting for their life in a week. This 8 to 16 weeks training has always delayed putting new troops in the field before. This was a big problem when the United States was forced into WWII. Is the DOD expecting another world war? They just could be. It may be the only way to prevent another world wide crash. History has already proven that a good war will bring us out of a depression. I'm just thinking out loud of course but right now wouldn't anything surprise me. Right now we have the largest gathering of idiots in Washington that we ever have had and anything could happen.
Art
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@GardenGerty (160665)
• United States
28 Mar 09
I support the idea of mandatory community service. Some high schools now require it for graduation. Real projects, not just make work. Two colleges in my town start the year with a community volunteer day, matching incoming students with community projects. It helps them learn about the community, and it gives them a feeling of belonging. I do not believe that mandatory service to the community is the same as military service. Leave that for people who make that choice. I believe in service with a choice, I guess.
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@moondancer (7433)
• United States
28 Mar 09
I guess I'd just have to go without as I'm disabled and can not do the service. If they give me the ink for the printer I could print out things for them and make copies for them of papers they need. That's it. I don't know of anything else I could do.
I don't have children of these ages, but my grandchildren will be soon enough.
I know several of them want real jobs. I have a few that want to be doctors and a couple that wants to be attorneys, then a judge. High wishes and I support them in what they want.
I think some children need to have this sort of thing. They have no direction in life. This might help them to become independent and find their niche.
Forcing people to do things is not the same as them doing it because they wish to help people.
I'd love to help and will in any way I can. Just don't try to force me to go to work for someone else for free when I can't even work for money.
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@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
31 Mar 09
I would think the rules would be different for disabled people. In Australia we do have work for the dole for long term unemployed people but it is supposed to be to help them gain work experience.
Disabled people are regarded as people assessed as not able to work 15 or more hours a week and they are the ones who get disability pensions. The others are sent to companies who train them to work and then try and find jobs for them.
I do not like the work for the dole scheme but the last government was right wing and they made it hard on unemployed and disabled people. I do not like compulsory schemes like this as I do not think they achieve anything. People hate being pushed around like that. It causes resentment not support.
@mummymo (23706)
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28 Mar 09
WEll I am not there twoey but I do not see what the problem is - it is certainly not slavery and I think that is a wrong way of looking at it - slaves had no choices , no options no rights to life or anything else , they were not even allowed to marry without permission and were forced to marry by their owners when they did not want to.
Years ago here in the Uk there was Military service where every young man had to serve a year or a certain period of time giving service to their country - unless I am very much mistaken Greece still has military service. A lot of people here think that military training and service gave the young people a good grounding and starting point in their adult lives and would love to see it return. To be totally honest I see no harm in 3 months of boot camp and community service - it could surely make the country a better place! xxx
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@mummymo (23706)
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29 Mar 09
I cannot equate people doing 3 months in boot camp and community service as being the same as slavery - do some research into what slaves in the olden days and the hundreds of thousands still in slavery today if those 3 months are the equivalent to what they have to endure every day. There is simply no comparison whatsoever. As for putting their lives at risk and being in 'bondage' til the Government release them - what I read was 3 months boot camp, nothing about indefinite service or serving in wars or conflicts - or have we read different posts?
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@aero89 (422)
• United States
29 Mar 09
Yeah, what did the UK youth militants do all that time the past few decades while it was being taken over by YOUNG RADICAL EXTREMISTS? They looked the other way, because of the LIBERAL MINDSET OF PROFILING and fear of being accused of such!!!
England, for one, is nothing what it once was - it is a breeding ground and safe haven for future jihadists. Nobody will speak against them. In fact, the dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilder, Fitna producer, who is VERY outspoken against Islam WAS BANNED FROM ENTERING ENGLAND!!!!!!! I mean, England has no freedom of speech anymore for crying out loud! They denied the man access into THE COUNTRY?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?
So, I think to compare the UK to the US is only to show us what will happen to us if and when this boot camp thing happens. It makes me sick actually.
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
29 Mar 09
Here is some information on this...
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=93015
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
28 Mar 09
Are you sure about that? I hadn't heard of GIVE, but it seems to me it would violate our constitution to force people to volunteer and/or attend boot camp.
You bet your sweet bippy I'd send my boys to Canada if they were drafted! I don't agree with war, there are other ways to settle things, and I'll be damned if I sacrifice my boys for the sake of some politician's ego! 
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
28 Mar 09
The GIVE Act has already passed the House, and is in the Senate.... where it is expected to pass as well.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
29 Mar 09
Whether it passes or not, I still say the people responsible for it passing are sick and twisted (and mentally incompetent) and anybody with a brain will not have anything to do with it. They cannot toss the entire population in jail, I dare them to try.
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@deedeehall (1144)
• United States
28 Mar 09
aman! i am with you. they will not touch my flech and blood and they can take that to there bank.
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@TheCatLady (4691)
• Israel
28 Mar 09
Many countries have a draft. Even though everyone need to apply not everyone gets accepted. If you are weak, stupid, crazy or have any sort of illness, they won't take you. They don't want to deal with problem people. 3 month of national service isn't so bad. Most counties have a 1-3 years requirement.
@chertsy (3798)
• United States
29 Mar 09
I think before people get over worked about this. They should find out what kind of "boot camp" it is. I honestly think that young Americans should have to go to some form of military style boot camp. Not for the basic military training, more for the respect for other people. When you leave a military boot camp, you come back a different person. It's like all the sudden, you have manners. Kids today are something else, they don't care for no one except themselves, mainly because their parents aren't taking the time to teach them respect for people and people's belongings.
This isn't going to be a draft to send your kids off to war, I think it will be like a behavior boot camp. Hopefully these people will have more respect for themselves and others afterward. It could also help teach people that have no skills to get jobs. This could actually be a good thing if we just look at it and learn about it. Before we sit back and judge it.
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@chertsy (3798)
• United States
1 Apr 09
Mine will be going to college as well. My oldest wants to go to the Air Force Academy. I agree not every kid is disrespectful and lacks work ethic. If this program is like community service, how is this a bad thing. I believe if it helps get people out in the community to make that community better, then that's a good thing. A lot of kids don't join the military because they don't have a clue what they want to do, or out of the house with a steady paycheck. I mean it has to be more than that to go join branches that could get you killed the moment you step off the plane.
Like I said, I think it's going to help people that have no skills to get jobs. I don't see it as a punishment if it's going to good for the community, if it's going to be like that. Honestly, I don't see this happening because you can't force a person to do something that they don't want to do. That's why this is a America and not some sick country like North Korea.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
31 Mar 09
My daughter is NOT going off to some stupid government enforced boot camp when she is 18, if anything, she'll go to college. I find it interesting that so many people think it's not a bad idea. NOt EVERY kid is disrespectful and lacks work ethic. I've said before I have no problem with sending people who are constantly getting in trouble, there are lots of kids like that, as well as kids who have NO CLUE what they plan to do after high school - a lot of those kids do join the military because they have no clue what they want to do and joining gets them out of the house with a steady paycheck.
However, tailor the 'mandatory' towards certain groups of people, punishing everybody is going to result in people who will fight back. I don't know about you but I am not going to accept punishment for something I didn't do, nor am I going to serve someone's sentence just because they think everybody should.
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
28 Mar 09
Mandatory volunteerism is not volunteering... it is nothing short of slavery.
Volunteering for something means that you did it of your own free will.
This is nothing less than the 0bamunist's own private little army of ACORN type community activists in training.
Now then, as to this idea of Community Service... that is something that is usually done as a sentence for committing some crime.
The fact that some schools require community service is a sad statement as to what our schools think of things such as Freedom and Liberty, and as these policies are a direct violation of both of those ideals, they are illegal and should be ruled as such, and the schools involved should be ordered to immediately cease and desist from all such activities.
If this passes, and parents decide that their children won't participate... well they can expect to have their children taken away and placed in state care, and the parents would then be crimi9nally charged.
The time has come to take our country back, by whatever means necessary.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
29 Mar 09
My kids were never REQUIRED to perform any community service at their high school, although that is something that looks mighty nice on a letter of recommendation for a job or a college application. However, there are other options besides a traditional school these days, including completely online courses and correspondence or alternative education where you do the majority of your work at home and only go to a classroom or building to turn in your work and take tests maybe once a week. Because of this, I'm sure that it will never be a REQUIREMENT, there will always be a way to ONLY do volunteer or community service by choice.
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@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
31 Mar 09
I do not believe in being forced to do things like this. I know that some people believe that anyone on welfare has to give something back but I am opposed to forcing people to join the army.
Here in Australia we do have a thing called work for the dole. It is not for everyone just for those who are unable to find work. So when you have been unemployed for a certain amount of time then you will be sent to gain work experience or do some form of training. It is actually meant to try and give the person work experience to help them gain skills to find work. I do not think it is community service but it becomes compulsory if you are long term unemployed.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
29 Mar 09
NO NO NO. I will never support or stand behind something like this, and if I have to, I guess I will ship my kids off somewhere they will be safe from this monstrosity of an idea. BTW there has to be loopholes including college or a full time job. I don't think it is EVER good to 'make EVERYBODY do community service'. Community service has two forms - volunteer by choice or as a punishment for something, like criminal or civil issues that go through the courts. I believe in community service for those two reasons only and I do not condone any type of forced boot camp, ANY DRAFT AT ALL EVER, any type of slavery, or coercion to force people into doing something that is not their choice.
I am not sure what to think about the people who passed this bill, I am actually thinking some pretty nasty things about them, including questioning whether ANY of them are even mentally competent to add 1+1 and get the correct answer.
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
29 Mar 09
Here is some information.
This is the 0bamunist's baby... think ACORN on steroids...
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=93015
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
31 Mar 09
Thanks! I don't care what the wording is, if there is not a loophole, there will be one found or MADE. I am sick of this garbage, and it's all well and good if they want to offer an incentive for volunteer service but if you don't want the incentive, you shouldn't have to worry about being forced to do it. I'm not saying the incentive isn't GOOD, but I'd rather apply for scholarships for my daughter instead of taking dirty money from the government.
To me, there is not an incentive big enough to make up for anything 'mandatory'.
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@nanajanet (4436)
• United States
28 Mar 09
Forget about if you want to or not, but what if you mentally/emotionally cannot do it? Some people might just go nuts!! I agree, it should not be mandatory. What if you truly do not believe in it or your religion forbids it? (not that I believe in religion, but many do).
I am sure that you will see a resurgence of what happened during the Vietnam war of people taking off for Canada or elsewhere. This is the USA acting Big Brother and sounding more like Communism.
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@BlueGoblin (1829)
• United States
28 Mar 09
People should be outraged that their President and their leaders never follow the Constitution. I think it is time for the people to stand up against them and show our so called leaders that they are here to work for us and not the other way around. How many times do they ignore us? They ignore us on everything from healthcare to immigration!!
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
28 Mar 09
Are you going to one of the many Tea Party events on April 15?
I read today that there are demonstrations all over the world--in England 35,000 protesters carried signs in protest of excessive government spending and bailouts. France, Spain and Germany had large demonstrations, too. The sheep are waking up! 
@deedeehall (1144)
• United States
28 Mar 09
where will these tea partys be held ?threw out the world or where?
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@AngryKittyMSV (4317)
• United States
29 Mar 09
Unpaid forced servitude is not community service, it is slavery. Slaver was abolished, the constitution bars forced servitude. I will join the fight to prevent this insanity from happening.
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@voxpopular (8)
• United States
30 Mar 09
I hardly think three months in decent living conditions, with a non-leaking roof over your head, and enjoying the fruits of your labor (that is, improved American infrastructure) is slavery. That being said, I think this program should be strongly encouraged, but not mandated. From what I hear, there's a waiting list for the Peace Corps and Americorps; this is essentially an extension of the idea behind Americorps.
Also, consider that many people have probably been pushed over the point at which they have to apply for welfare because our ever-expanding government sucks up more and more income in taxes *that go to pay welfare*. The lower class benefits disproportionately to their income; if service was required for benefits, it would merely be paying more of their fair share.
If you want the freedom to decide what your money is going to, you have to take care of yourself -- and I believe thoroughly the government should stop babysitting us and encouraging reliance on handouts in that way. At the most, let charities take care of the unfortunate, as they always have, by soliciting voluntary private donations.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
31 Mar 09
I have said before - I have NO issues whatsoever against requiring community service or this boot camp or anything related for people who are freeloading off programs like welfare and cash aid, food stamps, etc etc - but I mean that in the basest sense - this should NOT affect people who are disabled, people who ARE working and are just receiving a supplement because their job does not give them enough to live on etc. I'm talking about people who just collect this stuff when they could go to work full time and are able bodied, not disabled, not mentally incompetent, not of retirement age and they CHOOSE not to take care of themselves.
The lower class benefits disproportionately to their income; if service was required for benefits, it would merely be paying more of their fair share
Yes - what you put here is true. I just do not want something punishing people who take care of themselves. For example, with all this foreclosure going on and people defaulting and getting evicted? They are passing on the cost of things like HOA fees and such to THE HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE GOOD HOMEOWNERS. Talk about something that is not fair, why should *I* have to pay part of someone else's stupid bill that they now don't have to pay because they defaulted and got evicted from their home? They are to blame for what happened, I paid my mortgage. Why insult and punish ME? What they need to do is send bills to these people, not squeeze the people who are still current - but who very soon won't be since now we have to make up the difference for all these jerks!
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@nannacroc (4049)
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28 Mar 09
Thes things make me really angry. Because of the behaviour of a few youths all families have to suffer. If the government can find people jobs to do so they earn their benefits, why can't they be paid a proper wage for these jobs? I don't agree with what your government propose.
It's strange but I was just saying to my daughter today that the things that are happening in our country now are the very things our government used to criticise the Soviet Union for. A least the Soviets did not pretend to be a democracy, as the UK, and by the looks of your question, the US do.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
28 Mar 09
I am against this. At least with the Draft, you were serving your country and you were fighting against the enemy, and you did get paid for that, even though soldier's pay is not that much, plus you got an education and learned a trade. This community service is done free, and nothing more then getting work for nothing. It is slavery. If they had said that all welfare benefits should work at digging ditches or cleaning up brush and they got the same introductory wages as the others, with a chance that this will be on their record so they can apply for a little better job, etc. then okay, but for free?
Oh I am waiting for all these people to come across the border to Canada. I would welcome them more then the draft dodgers who were afraid of getting shot. They would have been paid when they were in the army.
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@PrarieStyle (2486)
• United States
28 Mar 09
It's exactly what our new government of change wants, control. It's time we stand up to them and take OUR country back!
It's not THEIR country, it's OURS!
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@scififan43 (2434)
• United States
28 Mar 09
This progam does not sound good to me. I have heard that the Army does not want the draft back at all becase they know that volenters make better soldiers. so something like this could be a distear. but I do undertand how some people in our socity feel that someting like this maybe nessecery if you have so many person unenployed and/or living on public assitance. That some kind of system should be in place to make people work since they are living off the taxpayers expence.
@katebell (80)
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28 Mar 09
i kind of agree it think if they changed it a bit to people or children are unconrolable or have been braking laws then yes they should maybe think of sending them to boot camp but not just anybody. i think i would be good if people who are out of work can get a little bit of money for doing community service would be good but not made to do it.
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