How does one go about getting rid of rat snakes?

@mentalward (14690)
United States
May 16, 2011 12:18pm CST
I was cutting the grass when I moved around to where I have my tomatoes, etc, planted and saw two rat snakes. These slithery things were at least 5 feet long each. We have a parking area surrounded by (quite rotted) railroad ties and my garden is on the other side of them. When the snakes saw me, they scurried under the railroad ties. Now, normally, I wouldn't mind them being there since I do have a garden and quite a lot of different vegetables growing. These snakes eat mice, gophers, chipmunks, any furry critter small enough for them to swallow. I like that since these things eat my veggies and I dislike using poison with a passion. BUT, I now worry about my little dogs when they're allowed to run around the property (we have 3+ acres). My cat is smart enough to leave the snakes alone but I'm not sure if the dogs are that smart. They're Maltese, with the biggest one weighing a mere 7 pounds. I strongly doubt they could take on a 5 foot long snake and don't want them getting bitten so I'd really like to "help" the snakes move on down the road aways. Are there any proven methods for getting rid of snakes short of killing them? I don't want to kill them but don't want them living near my house. I've asked them politely to leave but they don't seem to want to listen to reason.
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@AKRao24 (27424)
• India
16 May 11
Hello Dear mentalward! having read your posting I think you really need not worry about these rat snakes as they will not attack your dogs and even if they attack your pets nothing will happen t them as rat snakes are non poisonous in nature! It is not possible to prevent these snakes to enter your garden as these snakes will come to your garden in search of their food which are the rodents which are feeding o your vegetables! Sprinkling of Formalin can prevent the snakes to enter the area but the efficacy of this chemical is not going to stay for more than few hours which makes t not a practicable one! Rat snakes are basically shy nature and they try to run away the moment they see any other animal which does not fall under the category of its food! I have lot of snakes on my farm where we do have about 350 Thoroughbreds which we breed for the purpose of racing! So far we never had any fatal incidence because of the snakes though we have all four poisonous snakes available in our country on our farm! So I think you better keep cool and watch your pets that thy are always within the area of your sight! Thanks ! All the best!
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
16 May 11
Thank you so much for your speedy response, AKRao. I am not especially afraid of snakes as I know that they are generally much more afraid of humans than we are of them but I have seen these snakes stand their ground and shake their tails in a threatening gesture. I know they do this only if they feel threatened themselves and will turn and run whenever they can but my dogs are, well, they're not rocket scientists, if you catch my drift. I'll just have to make sure that they avoid this area. Maltese dogs have enough energy to power a rather large city and they do love to run. I think I will build a fence between the area I allow them to run in and where my garden (and the snakes) are. That will at least prevent the two critters meeting face to face unless the snakes move but I've seen one of them in the same spot a couple of years in a row now so I think they'll stay around my garden to catch the rodents that are after my vegetables. My property borders a lake as well and there are snakes in the reeds near the lake but my dogs are blocked from going down there by fencing I've already installed. The dogs are just curious enough to want to find out what is slithering in the reeds and I'm sure they would investigate if they could. As a side note, I must say I envy you a bit with the horse farm. I love horses but have never had the opportunity to own any. We have neighbors with horses now and I grew up near a family who owned a golden Palomino. I'd often visit that horse and the owners would give me carrots to feed him. Thanks again for the great advice.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
16 May 11
Give them a reason to move--take away their shelter! If you move the RR ties that they are living under they will find someplace else to live. You're right not to want to kill them but also right to worry. Though not poisonous, they can wrap around your little furbabies and strangle them if they think they are not too big to eat. Move the ties and I'm sure the snakes will move.
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@mentalward (14690)
• United States
17 May 11
Funny you should mention removing the rr ties. My husband had plans to remove them since they're rotting and replace them with stones. He even went so far as to buy a small winch, one that can lift, I believe, 400 pounds. His plan was to pick the ties up and swing them right on over to his truck so he could take them all to the dump. Of course, I'm not holding my breath for that to happen. I was referred to a link (below) that reminded me that snakes do like to come inside and I sure don't want my snakes thinking that my house is a good alternative if their present home is removed! I've decided that, as long as they don't multiply, I'll let them stay where they are and just build my girls a fenced area, away from the garden, where they can be relatively safe and still have enough room to wear off some of that ever-present energy. I also read that mothballs are made of the same stuff that a product called SnakeAway is made from so I may put some containers filled with mothballs (with holes small enough to prevent them from falling out but big enough for the smell to come through) around the outside of the dogs' fenced-in area. That should prevent the snakes from coming into the dogs pen. That's the hope, anyway. Maybe I'll consult a local exterminator and see what they suggest (being mindful of the fact that they will, of course, try to sell me their services).
@ElicBxn (63568)
• United States
8 Jun 11
well, since snakes are deaf, asking them politely isn't going to work I don't think your dogs are small enough to interest the snakes as food, and since rat snakes aren't poisonous a bit, while painful, isn't likely to kill however, if you still want them to move on, than get in the area they are and hit things so they feel the blows and get discouraged and leave
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
8 Jun 11
I stopped yelling at bugs for the same reason... they can't hear me. Now, I use sign language. Actually, I bought some of those sonic things you stick in the ground. These are solar-powered and emit a high-pitched noise that, apparently, creates a vibration under the ground that rodents don't like. AND THIS THING SEEMS TO BE WORKING!!! Yippee!!!!!! I've noticed a definite decrease in the rodent population since I did this and I haven't seen (or heard) the snakes for at least a week now. So, I've not only gotten rid of the snakes, I've gotten rid of the rodents, too. Actually, I think that getting rid of the rodents is why the snakes have moved on. They have nothing left to feed on. Although, my cat did come in the house last night with some rodent-type thing in his mouth and proceeded to eat it. (He never just brings them in and drops them at my feet... these things are apparently a treat to him. Eww.) So, what rodents the sonic thing hasn't gotten rid of, my cat is. No matter what is getting rid of them, the snakes have apparently found a better place to live.
@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
18 May 11
Building a fence is definitely a good solution. Though the rat snakes do not pose any direct threat , but your dogs might run over to their "territories" , just like you've explained in other comments. It would be good to have a strong fence and make sure your little girl and your pets don't cross over.
@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
20 May 11
Haha , silly me. Thanks for explaining .. I'll take note of your "little girl" in future.. teehee.. It's very cool that you are not resorting to any types of poisons , which make all of it sound very eco-friendly. I think all living things deserve to live too , so the best is either to trap and set up defense like the fences. Keeps you busy and out of trouble , and you're a great animal lover. Awesome. More people should do it this way rather than killing and poison pests.
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
19 May 11
My "little girl" is my dog, zed. Sorry, I keep forgetting not everyone knows that I call my dogs my little girls. I've also begun a full-scale attack on the rodents that are attracting the snakes so, hopefully, if I can at least get rid of most of the rodents, the snakes will move on to, uh, furrier (?) pastures. It's just not easy to eradicate rodents when you don't want to use any type of poisons. I'm using electronic gadgets, plants that small rodents supposedly hate the smell of as well as traps. Being the tree-hugging, aging hippie ( ) I am, the traps are HabiTraps, made to capture, not to kill or maim. When I catch any, I take them to a park area about 5 or 6 miles from here and release them. I may be doing absolutely no good at all in eradicating the snakes but it keeps me busy and out of trouble.
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@yoyo1198 (3641)
• United States
16 May 11
Apparently, if you remove their food they will go away. You might want to give this a read. http://www.stretcher.com/stories/04/04sep06a.cfm They're not poisonous but they'd probably cause a swollen nose or so to your dogs. However, I think the snakes would probably run from them anyway.
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
17 May 11
Ah, unfortunately, I'll never be able to get rid of their food, not living here. I'm in the country, in the mountains, surrounded by farmland. But... I recently bought a thing that you stick in the ground and it emits a sonic beeping that is supposed to keep burrowing rodents away and that will be great except that they will just move to another area. I've placed that thing in my front yard where I have a major problem with moles, voles and gophers. I'm not sure yet if it works or not but I should know pretty soon. If I don't see any new holes in the yard or those tunnels you can see in the grass, I'll know it works and will definitely buy more to put around my entire property or at least where my garden areas are and where my dogs play. I've also decided to build a fenced-in area for my dogs, well away from the garden area and away from the snakes. After reading that article from the link you gave me, I'm going to try mothballs but in a way that won't allow any animals to accidentally eat any of them. I'm going to buy some plastic tubing, slightly larger around than mothballs, drill holes along the length of the tubing to allow the smell to escape, then fill them with mothballs and place them outside the perimeter of the dogs' pen. Hopefully, that should prevent the snakes from crossing into the dogs' pen, although I doubt they would anyway since I doubt rodents would want to take up residence where dogs run all the time. Ah, country life!
@yoyo1198 (3641)
• United States
17 May 11
That all sounds very good. Keep us posted how it comes out. Meanwhile, I would be sure to chaperone the dogs when they're out. Can't be too careful.
• Philippines
19 May 11
You could file a case for trespassing.
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
19 May 11
@uath13 (8192)
• United States
17 May 11
Your best bet would be to keep the dogs away from the garden where the snakes are hunting. Your not likely to get rid of the snakes without killing them even if you do get rid of the railroad ties. Your garden is providing them a food sourse so they'll keep returning. Unless the dog actually attacks one there shouldn't be a problem anyways. He's too big to eat & rat snakes aren't poisoness or constrictors. Anything bigger than a large rat is safe from them.
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
17 May 11
Whew! Thanks, uath. That's reassuring. I would worry about my littlest gal, though. She weighs only 5 pounds but she's awfully feisty. She's tried to go after dogs at least 10 times her size. Totally fearless. But, I've decided to put up a fence to keep them away from the garden area and still give them enough room to run. We're in the middle of a really severe t-storm right now and my pier at the lake is all but underwater right now. Even though my garden area is well above lake-level, I'm sure those snakes aren't too happy with all this rain. Maybe they'll move closer to the woods. One can hope, anyway. I'll try to live alongside the snakes since they do keep the small rodent population down. Since they've moved in, I have noticed that my veggie plants haven't been nibbled on, except by the occasional bug which I try to keep under control with marigolds and "good" bugs (ladybugs and preying mantis). Now, to tackle that darned deer problem! LOL (I've already begun my "anti-deer" maneuvers and they seem to be helping.)
@moondancer (7433)
• United States
16 May 11
Well short of either picking them up and moving them the only other way I know is to kill them. They are good to have to kill the other things that will harm your garden as you say. But those are big enough to cause harm to your babies. You do need to get rid of them.
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
17 May 11
Hi moon. I think my first step will be to put fencing between my dogs' running area and where the snakes are. Since they have remained around my garden (I've never seen them away from that area) I'll just make sure my dogs don't get close to that area when I'm not around. The snakes have run from me every time I've seen them but I have also seen one standing it's ground and shaking it's tail when my cat got close. Of course, the snake was backed up to the lake and I'm sure it felt trapped since it couldn't get away, although my cat had no intentions of getting closer to it. (Smart cat!) We do have a big rodent problem around here. It's generally farmland so, naturally, we're going to have field mice, gophers, rabbits, etc. I really like the snakes being there to help rid our area of these vermin so, for now, I'm just going to have my son help me build a fenced-in area where my girls can run without me fearing for their safety. It might be a good idea for me to put mothballs around the outside of their pen, too, since I was just informed that snakes can't stand mothballs and a product called SnakeAway is primarily the main ingredient in mothballs. I'll just be sure the dogs can't reach them although I doubt they'd want to. Eww. Plus, I don't want to put that stuff near my veggie garden since mothballs are poisonous. I may look around for someone local who exterminates snakes because, even though one or two snakes is workable, if they have babies I sure don't want to be overrun by them!
@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
16 May 11
Hi Marti! I've always heard that snakes won't cross over moth balls however, I'm not sure how pet friendly they are but the stinch from them should keep the pets away. I'm not sure on that though so you'll need to do some research on it to find out. I can't imagine any pet that would pick up moth balls though, ewwwww! YUCKY YUCKY! But there again, I'm not so sure. Pets tend to surprise us with what they do so who knows. Just thought I'd throw that in the mixture! Good luck!
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
17 May 11
Thanks, Cats. I have just read about mothballs and snakes and it looks like I'll be using them but not exactly the way they said. I realized that I'll never be totally rid of snakes, not living here, so I'll have to learn how to keep them out of areas I don't want them in. I'm going to have my son help me build a fenced-in area for the dogs, like a pen but a BIG one so they can run to their hearts' content. I'll put it as far away from my garden area (and from the snakes) as possible. I've also decided that I'm going to figure out a way to place mothballs around the outside of the dogs' pen but in a way that no animal could eat any, if they're weird enough to try. I was thinking of maybe getting some plastic tubing, bigger around than the mothballs, and drilling small holes along the length of it, then fill it with mothballs and place it all around the outside of the pen. That should allow the smell from them to (hopefully) keep the snakes away yet they'd be impossible for any animal to accidentally swallow any. If that works, I might just do that same thing around the house because I sure don't want those slithery things making a home INSIDE the house!
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
16 May 11
Dunno what to tell you. I suspect that if you get rid of them, more will just move on in....
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
17 May 11
Yeah, I'm sure that's what would happen. It's not like we're living in Metropolis here, all concrete and brick. Living in the mountains in the country with farms all over the place, we'll always have rodents and always have snakes. I've decided to build a fenced-in area for my girls, large enough so they can still run off some of their energy but far enough away from my garden area to at least give me a little peace of mind. I heard that snakes can't stand mothballs so I'm thinking of putting mothballs in some kind of containers with small enough holes so they don't fall through around the outside of my dogs' pen. That might keep the snakes well away from the dogs' area. I know that my biggest girl (7 pounds) is a huge ninny when it comes to putting her money where her mouth is but the little one (5 pounds), she's a feisty little thing! She'd go after the snakes, I have no doubt. So, I guess the fence is a good idea to not only keep the snakes away from her but also to keep her away from the snakes.
@veejay19 (3589)
• India
17 May 11
Since you have a garden there are bound to be snakes in it and most of them of the harmless variety.Since you have stated that they get rid of pests in the garden like rats why not let them be.Snakes usually don`t harm anyone unless they are provoked and even the dogs will instinctively know that if they harass a snake it will attack them.However if you really want to get rid of them then why don`t you contact your local zoo and they will send a snake-catcher, if they have one.I have seen many Discovery and Animal Planet programs on TV where people contact official and competent snake-catchers who will come to your house,capture te snakes and then release them in places far from any human habitat.There are many such people who are either working for zoos or doing it on their own privately.I am sure organizations like Prevention of Cruelty to Animals can help out.
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
17 May 11
Thank you for your very informative response, veejay. For now, I have decided to build a pen to keep my dogs in and far away from the snakes, at least from where the snakes live. If these snakes have offspring, I mean a LOT of offspring, then I'll get an exterminator to at least get rid of the majority of them. I will also be using every method I can find (without using poison) to rid my property of most of the rodents these snakes eat so the snakes may eventually move on to find more food. Other than that, I guess I'll just have to learn to live with them and keep my dogs well away as best as I can. It's just that my smallest dog, who weighs a mere five pounds, thinks she's a BIG dog and would try to chase down a snake. I'll have to make sure that she never gets out of the pen.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
16 May 11
Im sorry but just ANY kind of snake makes me cringe. i left florida mostly because i was alone with lots of different snakes around my home. my silly little dog actually chased one barking one day. it was right on our patio. a big black one. i had to take a chance and grab her from near it. i heard and tried moth balls around my house and it worked for about a week once but id have to do it all over didnt want to keep that up. forever.
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
17 May 11
I kind of got used to snakes when I would go fishing at a local river when I lived in Baltimore. I'd see them occasionally but usually just heard them scurrying away if I got close to them. Of course, they always made me jump whenever I heard them but they were always going in the opposite direction so I learned to relax a bit around them. It's just that the snakes I saw/heard when I was fishing weren't anywhere near as big as these snakes are. I'm going to call a local exterminator and maybe talk to some neighbors to see if they have any advice. Other than that, I've decided to build a fenced-in area where my dogs can run without getting close to the garden area and, hopefully, always be well away from the snakes. I'm sure that, if I got rid of these snakes, more would just move right on in. We're in the mountains, with trees and bushes all around and with plenty of farmland so there will always be rodents and there will always be snakes. They can do what they want as long as that is STRICTLY eating rodents and as long as they let me do my gardening without them getting too close to me. But, if they start reproducing, that's when I'll get an exterminator out here to at least get rid of the ones they can find at the time. Ugh. I guess it's one of the drawbacks of living in the country, in the mountains, and beside a lake. (Yep, we have water snakes, too.)
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
18 May 11
Snakes are not very good listeners are they. They will be where there is a food source and you garden seems to be providing them just that. I am thinking since they are getting plenty to eat there, your dogs shouldn't have anything to worry about, but I know what you mean. I wouldn't want them around my house either. I don't know what would make them move on except for their are to become uncomfortable. I wonder if you put a fake hawk or something like a scarecrow if it would work. Good luck and let us know how it goes.
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
19 May 11
Hi Jen. I have a few plastic owls around and keep moving them from place to place to, hopefully, scare off at least a few of the rodents and birds. I'm not sure if snakes are afraid of owls or not, though. Still, if I can scare off the rodents, the snakes should surely move on to find them. In my head, I'm always repeating, "The snakes are good for the garden, the snakes are good for the garden..." but that "fight or flight" instinct comes to the forefront every time I see one. I'll be putting up a fence to keep the dogs contained in an area away from the snakes but I'm also attacking this from the rodent end, using whatever methods I can, short of poison, to get them outta here. The owls probably help some but I'm also using these electronic, sonic things that you stick in the ground to frighten the burrowing rodents and have mint planted all over the place since rodents hate the smell of it. (I don't care that mint spreads like a weed... cutting the grass with mint throughout it smells REALLY GOOD. ) I had actually thought of buying some rubber/plastic snakes to put around the garden to help scare the rodents off and maybe even put some in my fruit trees to keep the birds at bay when the fruits are getting ripe. I'm not going to depend on the fake snakes in my trees, though, because I've waited years for these fruits and I don't want to chance losing any of them to the birds; I'll be covering the trees with netting instead. I only wish it were that easy to rid the property of the rodents! But, like I said in my response above your comment, it may not do much good at all but it keeps me busy and out of trouble.
17 May 11
Rats or Snakes???? xD
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
17 May 11
Rat snake - Snake that eats rats, not rat that eats snakes. (Can you imagine???? *shudder*)
This fella.
@moksha09 (467)
• India
10 Jul 11
Rat snakes are non poisonous and will not harm your dogs.they will avoid the dogs quite easily, so no reason for you to be scared.